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  • Originally posted by dobman53 View Post
    Turtle:

    I back no denomination.

    Dob!!

    Actually the only relgion you have is self, it called you desire to be more like the devil after money then you care about people. You desire no God. You desire no unity to agree to disagree, You want your way or the highway. Last time I remember I woke in America where my rights were protect by Federal Law. My rights are protect by state laws. and it better be protected by town and county laws. After all we got some great officers out there that try and enforce those laws sometimes to extremes.

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    • Dobman,

      Do you go to Church, or are you a Lone Reed?

      Dodge,

      There are signs and wonder that happen at "faith healing" crusades that cannot be explained by natural laws, they have to be the result of the supernatural.
      For example:
      The healing of the child of blindness when Aimee Semple McPherson prayed for the little 9 year old blind girl in the article I posted above. Many examples exist, throughout history, and that is just one example. They certainly exist throughout the history of the Roman Catholic Church, from those people that are the True Church within the Roman Catholic Church.

      William Branham was able to know the person by a person touching his hand.
      Even though there is a video on You Tube making fun of Benny Hinn, what is shows happening defies natural laws, and has to be from a supernatural force - "Let the Bodies Hit the Floors!"

      As a Christian I believe in the supernatural. The problem is that as a Christian I have to also not leave my brain at the door and figure if the supernatural is from God the Holy Spirit, (for Dob's edification LOL), or from a demonic supernatural source. There are some "Pentecostalish" churches, such as IHOP, that have supernatural gifts for gifts sake, and have decided to allow false supernatural gifts because, "We do not want to quench the Spirit." They actually have told me this!

      If the person's doctrine is off base then these people could be doing this from a different Jesus other than Scripture and be false Jesus that is not really the Christ of the Bible. This is why I am precise and careful on whether the doctrine of the Trinity, and the Creeds of the "orthodox" "universal" Catholic Church are adhered to. The Serpent Seed doctrine is far off base from the actual Scriptural text.

      William Branham represents an example of a ministry that I personally have problems with, in that he believed in Serpent Seed doctrine, and near the end of his life, (probable reason God took him home), disbelieved the Creeds and the doctrine of the Trinity. Check out the website "Believe the Sign" about Brahnam w/ the photograph that people claim was an angel. Ok, it is the only picture of the roll that was developed, and you and I are old enough to have developed black and white pictures to know what happens when too much light hits the film before being developed. It is nutty how much faith people put in this thing, and if true the source of the angel has to be determined.
      Last edited by easeltine; 11-11-2011, 03:07 PM.

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      • There is one thing for certain if the gifts are bringing confusion, what should be of God is quenched, making a turn off rather then allura. Yet one has to remember that battle is often in form of confusion and a spiritual battle is breaking forth in the church if both gifts of God and gifts not of God are presents. It is a spiritual warfare. If seen you better know who side you are on, because the devil will not win, if God's people take a stand.

        However usually people from all sides get hurt in warfare. No way to bring a soothing balm to heal all those wounds if cuts are to deep. Yet Christ is the healer of all wunds in spiritual warefare of the mind and soul. His oil runneth over in our hearts to every core of our being as well as into the hearts of those around us.

        Should a church remain in chaos by no means. However it is a warning sign to all there. No person heals a child. No person does healing. God does the healing. The mistake is when man gives credit to a person and not to God. God may of used a person to administer healing in the form of that person being a vessel in which to communicate healing through to someone. However in no way did man bring about the healing if God does it. Man give medicine, Man can provide the tools, but God created all medicine, all tools and all the hands of man. Healing whether doctor or minister comes from God.

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        • Originally posted by turtle View Post
          Actually the only relgion you have is self, it called you desire to be more like the devil after money then you care about people. You desire no God. You desire no unity to agree to disagree, You want your way or the highway. Last time I remember I woke in America where my rights were protect by Federal Law. My rights are protect by state laws. and it better be protected by town and county laws. After all we got some great officers out there that try and enforce those laws sometimes to extremes.
          My religeon is the Bible ..... Period !!!

          Turtle when you speak tongues you speak the words of the Devil himself. The Devils wish is to confuse you into worshipping him.
          Your so in love with your gifts it's actually you who desires ... No God !!!

          You want to be held up and worshipped so terribly bad you can hardly stand it.

          And just as the foolish do dream..

          They scream bloody murder over their ... Fererally protected Rights to worship their great officers {their ministers} and their cultic Satan sanctified ... CREEDS ???

          Put a couple of few Bible verses before these folks, and BY EXPRERIMENT, And ACCORDING TO EXPERIENCE, they WITHOUT SCIENCE having no Biblical knowledge. IN THE MANNER OF QUACKS, They all go bonkers every one of them. EMPIR'ICALLY !!!

          Dob!!
          Last edited by dobman53; 11-11-2011, 06:15 PM.

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          • Originally posted by dobman53 View Post
            My religeon is the Bible ..... Period !!!

            Turtle when you speak tongues you speak the words of the Devil himself. The Devils wish is to confuse you into worshipping him.
            Your so in love with your gifts it's actually you who desires ... No God !!!

            You want to be held up and worshipped so terribly bad you can hardly stand it.

            And just as the foolish do dream..

            They scream bloody murder over their ... Fererally protected Rights to worship their great officers {their ministers} and their cultic Satan sanctified ... CREEDS ???

            Put a couple of few Bible verses before these folks, and BY EXPRERIMENT, And ACCORDING TO EXPERIENCE, they WITHOUT SCIENCE having no Biblical knowledge. IN THE MANNER OF QUACKS, They all go bonkers every one of them. EMPIR'ICALLY !!!

            Dob!!

            Dob, Take a look at the passage in Genesis 11. Why is languages confused, for what purpose.


            Genesis 11:1-9 KJV
            (1) And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
            (2) And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.
            (3) And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.
            (4) And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
            (5) And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
            (6) And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
            (7) Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
            (8) So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
            (9) Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.



            Why would God want man to speak in tongues as a gift of the HOly Spirit, if He confused them in the first place?

            Your answer is waiting. If God confuses something He can unconfuse it. But if man confuses it no one can unconfuse it, but God.

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            • Turtle:

              The word {Earth} in Gen.11:1 is #776 [erets] an unused root :to be firm/ The earth at lardge, or a land, field, ground. nation . wilderness. world.

              The word Land #776 [erets] is used in as the word {LAND} 1000's and 1000's of times in the Bible.

              Gen.11:1 The whole LAND was of one language, and one speech...

              The day you become more familiar with the Bible is the day you shall know what I'm talking about.

              The base upon which your denominations creeds were built upon is that of the sands of the sea.

              Soon to be washed away.

              Dob!!

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              • Originally posted by dobman53 View Post
                Turtle:

                The word {Earth} in Gen.11:1 is #776 [erets] an unused root :to be firm/ The earth at lardge, or a land, field, ground. nation . wilderness. world.

                The word Land #776 [erets] is used in as the word {LAND} 1000's and 1000's of times in the Bible.

                Gen.11:1 The whole LAND was of one language, and one speech...

                The day you become more familiar with the Bible is the day you shall know what I'm talking about.

                The base upon which your denominations creeds were built upon is that of the sands of the sea.

                Soon to be washed away.

                Dob!!



                Dob what do you think is my denomination is? I have no denomination. I am nondenomination, I am just Bible. By the way when you can get past the first verse o Genesis one one and answer my question.

                If you have forgotten I repeat it for you. Can you stick to one point. Probably not.

                Why would God want man to speak in tongues as a gift of the HOly Spirit, if He confused them in the first place?

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                • Interesting stuff about the CI movement. Good thing the SC is not connected to it, as has been shown by its absence from lists on both the ADL and SPLC websites. No way either of those groups would make the mistake of not listing such a high profile Church had they thought otherwise.

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                  • Right, the SPLC probably did that article about him because they endorse him. NOT.

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                    • For the record, the article there is called "Secret Identity" with the implication being that Murray is simply flying below the radar.

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                      • And for the record, although I posted a link to an article at their website about Gale, they still do not hold credibility imo. They are a far left leaning "fringe" propoganda watchdog org that has had a hell of a lot of controversy concerning their finances not too mention their shotty journalism.

                        One of the many examples of complete and total ridiculous and ludicrous claims from the SPLC.

                        Written by William F. Jasper
                        Tuesday, 04 October 2011 00:00




                        “Carol Swain is an apologist for white supremacists.” That was the jarring headline of a front-page article that greeted Dr. Swain in her local paper on October 17, 2009. The headline was a quote from Mark Potok, a top spokesman for the Southern Poverty Law Center, the self-anointed “watchdog” that presumes to be the preeminent monitor of “hate groups and racial extremists throughout the United States.”
                        Carol Swain, then, must be a very bad person, no? Probably joined at the hip to the neo-Nazis, KKK, and Aryan Nations, right? After all, the folks at the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), and especially the organization’s founder, Morris Dees, have acquired sainted reputations as heroic crusaders against these nefarious groups and other purveyors of hatred, bigotry, and violence. Dees, Potok, and their colleagues at SPLC are regularly paraded as the go-to “experts” on all the various extremists that threaten the realm. Surely, they must know something dark and sinister about Dr. Swain’s collaboration with these forces.

                        Undoubtedly, Professor Swain was not the only one shocked by the SPLC allegation; many of her academic peers and students, as well as the many fans of her books and published columns, would have considered her to be one of the last persons to fall under such loathsome accusations. In fact, on the surface, she would appear to be a natural ally of the SPLC, since she is a certified academic expert on the subject of white nationalism and racism in the United States. Her two books on the subject — The New White Nationalism in America: Its Challenge to Integration (2004) and Contemporary Voices of White Nationalism in America (2003), both published by Cambridge University Press — were critically acclaimed.

                        Dr. Carol M. Swain is a professor of political science and law at Vanderbilt University in Nashville, Tennessee. In 2007, she was appointed to the Tennessee Advisory Committee of the U.S. Civil Rights Commission. In 2008, the U.S. Senate confirmed her nomination to the National Council on the Humanities, which is the advisory board of the National Endowment for the Humanities. Professor Swain also happens to be black, which, in itself, makes her an odd choice, to say the least, for Potok’s claim of being “an apologist for white supremacists.”

                        In fact, Carol Swain would seem to be the perfect poster child for the kind of racial harmony and tolerance the SPLC claims to be aiming at. Moreover, her life is a “bootstrap” success story that serves as inspiration to many aspiring black scholars. Dr. Swain relates this biographical information:
                        I am one of 12 children raised in rural poverty by parents who had little education. Our poverty was so great that one by one all 12 of us dropped out of school at around the 8th or 9th grade. Three of us earned high school equivalencies. I dropped out of school after completing the 8th grade, married at 16, and had three children before becoming the first in my family to reach college.
                        She not only “reached” college, she graduated magna cum laude with a bachelor’s degree in criminal justice, while also making the National Dean’s List and membership in the Phi Beta Kappa and Alpha Chi national academic honor societies. She went on to receive her master’s degree in political science at Virginia Polytechnical, her Ph.D. in poli-sci from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, and a master’s degree in law from Yale Law School.

                        Her childhood, curriculum vita, professional oeuvre, and ethnicity certainly don’t fit the profile of the typical “apologist for white supremacy.” What is going on here?

                        Derided for Dissenting

                        According to Professor Swain, it’s fairly simple: She is being smeared as “payback” for her beliefs regarding immigration and illegal aliens, as well as her criticism of the SPLC’s methods, especially its virulent attacks on former CNN news anchor Lou Dobbs, which she describes as shameless vilification.

                        In a March 2010 panel discussion entitled “Immigration and the SPLC” at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C., sponsored by the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS), Swain stated her belief that Potok’s attack on her “was really about immigration.”

                        “I had edited a book in 2007 called Debating Immigration, in which I tried to bring diverse voices into the conversation,” she explained. One of those was the voice of Peter Brimelow, a British-American immigrant, former financial writer for Forbes, Fortune, and the Wall Street Journal, and currently the editor of Vdare.com, a website that opposes our ongoing open-borders policies and amnesty for illegal aliens. For advocating enforcement of our immigration laws, Brimelow and Vdare were added to the SPLC’s list of “haters,” alongside Ku Kluxers and Aryan skinheads. Swain says she also wanted to include in her book “the voice of Christians that were not open-borders Christians, that believe that the state has a right to enforce the laws of the land, and that we can expect immigrants — people who come here illegally — to obey the laws — and [that we] are a nation of laws and not a nation of just total chaos.”

                        “Well, because of that book, which has been well received, I think they wanted to shut my voice down on the immigration issue,” said Swain.

                        But it was not only her immigration views that stirred the SPLC’s wrath. She noted at the CIS panel discussion at the National Press Club:
                        The Southern Poverty Law Center tries to silence people on a range of issues. It’s not just immigration. It’s also people that are pro-life; it’s people that are concerned about racial preferences, people that are concerned about same-sex marriages, gun control, immigration and patriots.
                        She made the same point in her response to the Tennessean article that launched the SPLC smear. “Today, conservatives and Christians (of which I am both) are targeted by groups like the Southern Poverty Law Center that regularly seek to discredit us,” she wrote. “What is happening is a bold attack on free speech and the inner workings of the Democratic process. We must not let this continue.”

                        Do her charges hold? Is the SPLC “shutting down free speech in a very dangerous way,” specifically targeting “conservatives and Christians” and maliciously smearing them with the “racist,” “bigot,” “extremist,” “hater,” “anti-Semite” — and even “terrorist” — labels? These charges are fairly easy to verify; simply go to the Southern Poverty Law Center’s website (www.splcenter.org), pick up one of its Intelligence Reports, or catch one of its spokespersons on CNN, NPR, CBS, or MSNBC. One will discover that Dr. Swain is far from being the only unlikely suspect to be viciously traduced with one or more of the SPLC’s hate labels.

                        Crucifying Christians

                        A host of prominent black preachers have come under fire from the SPLC. Among them are Chicago’s Rev. Gregory Daniels; the Washington, D.C., area’s Bishop Harry Jackson; the Atlanta area’s Bishop Eddie Long; the Detroit area’s Rev. Keith Butler; Bishop Wellington Boone of Norcross, Georgia; Pastor Ken Hutcherson of Redmond, Washington; Rev. Jesse Peterson of Los Angeles; and the Chicago area’s Rev. James Meeks.

                        What is it about these Christian pastors that has Morris Dees and the SPLC all afroth? Since they’re black ministers serving all-black, or mostly black, congregations, it’s not very likely that they are supporters of, or “apologists for,” white supremacy. No, their main offense, in the eyes of the SPLC “watchdogs,” is holding fast to principles of biblical morality in opposition to the militant “gay” lobby, and especially their opposition to homosexual “marriage.” The vast majority of African-Americans do not support same-sex marriage, showing an even larger margin of disapproval than the American population as a whole. Senator Obama acknowledged this political reality when he was running for the presidency by staking out a position in favor of heterosexual marriage. Now he says his position on the matter is “evolving,” and he has been actively courting the big donors of the homosexual activist community. Former Obama aide and gay activist Kevin Thompson told the New York Times he believes this was Obama’s plan all along.

                        The black pastors under attack from the SPLC, however, appear to have taken their stands on marriage out of genuine commitment, not expediency. Thus the SPLC feels compelled to pummel them into submission. It has allied itself with the National Black Justice Coalition (NBJC), “a black gay/lesbian/bisexual/transgendered rights group,” and other GLBT groups to attempt to make the case that being “anti-gay” is hateful and closely akin to racist bigotry. “I think it’s disturbing when black people join the contemporary Confederate army,” Sylvia Rhue, a lesbian activist and spokesperson for the NBJC, told the Southern Poverty Law Center regarding the black preachers. They are no different, she says, than those “who wanted a civil war to maintain slavery.”

                        Of course, the black Christian ministers now being tarred are just getting the first taste of the smear campaign that the SPLC has been waging against conservative “Christian Right” leaders and prominent Christian organizations for a much longer period. Among the many leaders and groups that have been singled out for SPLC smears are Dr. James Dobson and his Focus on the Family ministry, Beverly LaHaye and her Concerned Women for America, the late D. James Kennedy and his Coral Ridge Ministries, Scott Lively and his Abiding Truth Ministries, David Barton and his WallBuilders ministry, the American Family Association, the Family Research Council, the Chalcedon Foundation, Americans for Truth About Homosexuality, the late Jerry Falwell’s Liberty Council, the Traditional Values Coalition, Catholic Family News, the Christian Action Network, and the National Organization for Marriage.

                        These and other similar groups are routinely pilloried as purveyors of “hate,” even though no proof is offered that they promote or incite hatred toward homosexuals. Indeed, most of the groups cited explicitly state that they love homosexuals as individuals and pray for their conversion and healing, as they do for all souls trapped in what the Christian faith defines as sinful practices. Nevertheless, simply opposing homosexuality and the legalization of homosexual practices is sufficient to place these “intolerant” Christians on the SPLC’s “Hate Map” and put them in the organization’s so-called “Intelligence Report” — sandwiched between photos of hooded Klansmen burning crosses and goose-stepping neo-Nazis. And if a homosexual somewhere is bullied, beaten, or killed, then you know who is responsible. Most Christian leaders realize that the SPLC’s demonizing campaign is intended as the softening-up prelude to pushing for prosecution of pastors and preachers (and teachers, professors, talk-show hosts, journalists, and employers — as well as ordinary citizens) for “homophobia,” under current and future “hate crime” legislation.

                        An Anti-hate Group That Hates Widely

                        The SPLC also has put the Second Amendment in its crosshairs, attacking either directly or with their typical sandwich smear technique, the National Rifle Association, Larry Pratt and Gun Owners of America, the late Idaho Rep. Helen Chenoweth, Conservative Caucus and Constitution Party founder Howard Phillips, former Arizona Sheriff Richard Mack, and other constitutionalists who uphold the right of the people to keep and bear arms. The SPLC prefers to interpret the Constitution to mean that the government shall have a monopoly, or near monopoly, on firearms, which is a surefire prescription for Nazi- or communist-style tyranny. Those who insist on hewing to the same view as our nation’s Founders, that “the people” be armed, are falsely categorized by Dees’ group as “anti-government” and “extremist.”

                        Likewise the self-proclaimed “watchdogs” claim that the widespread Tea Party groups “are shot through with rich veins of radical ideas, conspiracy theories and racism,” a familiar meme echoed by Nancy Pelosi, the Obama White House, and their many sympathetic acolytes in the mainstream media choir.

                        However, in going after so many mainstream groups that millions of Americans are affiliated with — and that tens of millions more agree with and identify with — the SPLC may have outstripped itself. Having been showered with adulatory media coverage for decades and having built up an obscenely huge endowment (over $200 million), Dees and company have grown supremely arrogant and appear to believe they can slander and defame with impunity.

                        The SPLC’s atrocious actions have energized many on the political Right and have alienated even many of their erstwhile allies on the Left. Over the past several years this has prompted many who had previously given the SPLC a pass — or had even applauded and supported them — to start serious investigations of the organization’s fundraising activities, their incessant, fear-mongering hype, and their radical, left-wing political agenda. The many investigative articles and studies that have appeared in Harper’s, the Washington Times, Reason, the Nation, the Progressive, Human Events, Breitbart.com, World Net Daily, FrontPageMag.com, Middle American News, Vdare.com, and the Social Contract powerfully confirm the findings exposed by The New American in articles we have published on the Southern Poverty Law Center over the past two decades.

                        Here are some of the serious charges that are amply substantiated by the SPLC’s public record:

                        • The SPLC’s Intelligence Report and its other publications grossly inflate the number of actual “hate groups” and “hate crimes,” while wildly exaggerating the threat from so-called right-wing groups.

                        • The SPLC engages in the promiscuous use of epithets such as “hate group,” “extremist,” “racist,” “anti-government,” and “terrorist,” and as a standard practice lumps completely law-abiding, non-racist groups with the violent KKK and neo-Nazis.

                        • The SPLC has raised hundreds of millions of dollars for the ostensible purpose of “fighting hate” and helping the poor and powerless, but in reality has stuffed its own coffers, building one of the largest investment portfolios of any NGO in the country.

                        • The SPLC’s demonizing attacks are aimed not only at destroying the reputations and credibility of political and social conservatives, but actually criminalizing their beliefs and their expressions of those beliefs, as protected under the First Amendment.

                        • Utilizing its ties in the media and the Clinton administration, the SPLC developed a close relationship with the federal Justice Department and FBI, and has parlayed that relationship into ties with federal, state, and local police agencies. Its incendiary misrepresentations thus have the potential to cause some jittery and misinformed law-enforcement officers to violate the rights of members of the groups targeted by the SPLC, or even to use unjustifiable deadly force.

                        • While straining to find even the most tenuous (and oftentimes nonexistent) connections between a targeted conservative organization or individual and some real or reputed member of a genuinely racist or violent group that it can exploit, the SPLC exercises no similar vigilance concerning its own affinity for actual leftist terrorists and communist revolutionaries.

                        Lauding the Left and Its Terrorists

                        Concerning the last point above, the SPLC’s unabashed promotion of unrepentant Weather Underground terrorist and self-proclaimed communist Bill Ayers should itself be sufficient to thoroughly discredit the organization’s claims to concern over the dangers of terrorism. Although he had been largely forgotten by baby boomers and never heard of by Gen-Xers, revelations of President Obama’s longtime association with Ayers and his equally notorious wife, Bernardine Dohrn, brought the Weather Underground couple back into the limelight again. Thanks to their connections with old comrades in radical academia, Ayers and Dohrn were able to walk from fugitive status as bombers on the FBI’s “most wanted” list into sinecures as “distinguished professors” at prestigious universities. In his 2001 autobiographical Fugitive Days, published on the eve of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, Ayers says, “I can’t imagine entirely dismissing the possibility” of setting off bombs once again. In a September 11, 2001 interview with the New York Times Ayers stated: “I don’t regret setting bombs. I feel we didn’t do enough.”

                        Nevertheless, the SPLC’s “Teaching Tolerance” website still proudly carries a glowing interview of Ayers by SPLC activist Gabrielle Lyon entitled, “An Unconditional Embrace.”

                        Lyon writes admiringly:
                        Throughout his career as a civil rights organizer, radical anti-Vietnam War activist, teacher and author, Ayers has developed a rich vision of teaching that interweaves passion, responsibility and self-reflection.

                        Ayers has taught in public schools and spearheaded alternative education projects.... As a professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, he helps aspiring teachers recognize and tap the potential of every child.

                        For Ayers, challenging stereotypes and reforming inner-city schools is as much about fighting for social justice as about improving the quality of teaching and learning.
                        Naturally, Lyon asks not a single challenging, probing question of “Professor” Ayers that might cause him any angst. He is not questioned about his murderous Weather Underground bombing rampage that caused, for instance, the death of San Francisco police sergeant Brian V. McDonnell and the wounding of nine other officers. Nor was he asked about his involvement in the Weather Underground bombings of the U.S. Capitol, the New York Police Department, and the U.S. State Department in Washington, D.C., in the 1970s.

                        Neither did SPLC’s Lyon ask Ayers about his more recent visits to Venezuela and his relationship with that country’s Marxist dictator, Hugo Chavez, who was his host. Unfortunately for Dees and company, the Ayers promotional is not just a one-time website aberration but a symptom of the organization’s overall far-left sympathies and agenda.

                        Those sympathies and agenda are underscored by Dees’ and the SPLC’s longtime ties to the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU). In addition to many SPLC staff members who also once served as ACLU staffers (including SPLC attorneys Katie Schwartzmann, Christine P. Sun, and Sam Wolfe), the ACLU and SPLC also team up together on lawsuits. Dees is a proud recipient of the ACLU’s annual Roger N. Baldwin Award, named for the ACLU’s co-founder and longtime executive director. Baldwin was one of the young Soviet Union’s staunchest advocates and an ardent defender of Stalin’s dictatorship. He traveled to Stalinist Russia and wrote glowingly of it. William Z. Foster, Elizabeth Gurley Flynn, and Louis Budenz, all of whom served on the ACLU’s original executive board with Baldwin, were actual top officials of the U.S. Communist Party. While Baldwin may not have been an official Party member, he was with them completely in spirit. Later in life he wrote:
                        I am for socialism.... I seek social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and sole control by those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal.... I don’t regret being part of the communist tactic. I knew what I was doing. I was not an innocent liberal. I wanted what the communists wanted and I traveled the United Front road to get it.
                        Although for a while during the 1940s and ’50s the ACLU went through the pretense of expelling Communist Party members, many communists remained in the organization. Communist Party members Anne Braden and Frank Wilkinson were even awarded the same Baldwin medal as Dees, in 1989 and 1999, respectively. And the ACLU has remained wedded to the same militant atheism it inherited from the communists. Hence its incessant attacks on religion and all laws based on Christian morality, as, for instance, our laws against abortion and sodomy. The SPLC appears to be wedded to the very same atheist, anti-Christian agenda.

                        Sitting on the SPLC’s board of directors is James Rucker, the chairman of the board of ColorOfChange.org, a radical group Rucker co-founded with Van Jones. Yes, that Van Jones, the Obama “Green Jobs Czar” who was forced to resign after his extreme communist views and activities were exposed. In October 2005, Jones said he was “a rowdy nationalist before the [Rodney] King verdict [in Los Angeles], but by August of that year [1992] I was a communist.”

                        Jones became a leader in STORM (Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement), an ultra-radical collective that declared its commitment to “revolutionary democracy, revolutionary feminism, revolutionary internationalism, the central role of the working class, urban Marxism and Third World Communism.”

                        STORM’s manifesto declares:
                        We began with Marxist “basics,” laying a foundation on which to build.... We studied philosophy, … Lenin’s theories of the state, revolution and the party, and the political ideas of [communist mass murderer] Mao Tse-tung and [communist theoretician] Antonio Gramsci.
                        Jones’ SPLC comrade James Rucker served as director of Grassroots Mobilization for the far-left, Soros-funded MoveOn.org Political Action, and MoveOn.org Civic Action.

                        Much more could be written about the SPLC’s hard-left connections. No “mainstream” journalist whom we are aware of has ever asked SPLC’s Mark Potok to explain his chummy 2006 interview with the Socialist Workers Party, a Trotskyite communist terrorist group. (The interview has since been taken down from the SWP’s website.) Perhaps it was set up for him by Chip Berlet, who frequently writes for SPLC. Berlet, who runs Political Research Associates in Somerville, Massachusetts, used to work for the Socialist Workers Party and was a staff member for the National Lawyers Guild, which was described in a U.S. congressional investigation as the “foremost legal bulwark of the Communist Party, USA.” He has also written for the communist Guardian newspaper of New York, and for the Institute for Policy Studies, a conduit for the Soviet KGB and the Cuban DGI.

                        Most importantly, as it relates to national security, extremism, and terrorism, Chip Berlet has been a key player, working closely over the past three decades with the top activists of the ACLU, the National Lawyers Guild, the Communist Party, and the Socialist Workers Party to abolish the House and Senate internal security subcommittees, the investigative committees of the state legislatures, and the intelligence agencies of all the major metropolitan police departments. They were successful in this subversive effort; most of these investigative agencies were dismantled and their intelligence files destroyed.

                        Incredibly, now the SPLC pitches itself to law-enforcement leaders as their intelligence lifeline that can help them survive the ever-present threats from the “radical Right.”
                        Related articles:
                        SPLC's Misdirection of Law Enforcement
                        SPLC: Scamming for Power, Lucre, and Control

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                        • Originally posted by smyrna View Post
                          Interesting stuff about the CI movement. Good thing the SC is not connected to it.
                          Yup, I agree, he is not connected with any particular group. But even if he was last I checked this is still a free country and it is not illegal to believe in Christian Identity.

                          Nor is it illegal to believe in British Israelism or Serpent Seed.

                          I will always stand by our constitutional rights to have freedom of religion, beliefs, and speech!!

                          If the SPLC knew what I have seen some on here say about Muslims you can guarantee they'd be on that hate group list!

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                          • Originally posted by easeltine View Post
                            Dodge, LOL! I liked your comment about the article Stage posted.
                            Stage, I did read most of it, Thank you.

                            This C.I./Serpent Seed is horrible doctrine, and I don't care if the person believing it is Pentecostal or not.

                            William Branham's doctrine was very similar to Shepherd Chapel regarding the Serpent Seed, and the Godhead/Trinity, especially near the end of Branham's short life. It is all screwy stuff!

                            Easeltine:

                            I honestly could care less about this Christian Identity business.
                            Not that I promote them or any such thing, because ... I don't !!
                            They have no powers to change one word thats written in the Bible.
                            On the 6th day God created Male and Female and told them to replenish the earth.
                            On that day God created all the different races that are presently upon earth.
                            God then rested on the 7th day from all his work.
                            God then said he had not yet created a man to till the soil,
                            6000 years ago God created Adam and Eve and placed them in the Garden.
                            This particular race of individuals were destined to later become Israel.

                            It's because of these reasons are why I could care less about what the CI movement says or doesn't say.

                            I feel the same way about those who don't know the first thing about what took place in the garden.

                            Easeltine I've asked you to explain Gen.3:15-16 and about all that you can say is: Snakes ???
                            Snakes can't impregnate women !!!

                            Easeltine it's you who ducks the truth every time in your own words of confusion.
                            Should I mention medifores and figures of speech, you go off on a rant about snake eggs.

                            In times past I've attempted to discuss tongues with you, and it was nothing more than a big waste of time.
                            Beings where your thoroughly convienced that tongues are holy gibberish, as your not about to ever relinquish
                            the thought of you giving up the posession of such a sanctified holy gift as tongues represents to your way of thinking.

                            Turtle these same things that I've spoken to Easeltine goes for you as well.
                            You might say that you have no denomination, though your thoughts and words
                            speak 10 times more loudly than any post of yours that speaks other wise.

                            Turtle without you realizing it you march to the same tunes and creeds that Easeltine
                            holds up so proudly. Christ spoke that if we had the faith of a mustard seed we could cause
                            a tree to be up rooted and tossed in the sea.

                            Turtle when you read such verses as that you automatically assume that you have the faith
                            of an entire mustard field, and then you go straight over the edge of the abyss saying all
                            sorts of crazy things about your powers. You even go so far as to imagine yourself dragging
                            me into a court of law for slander.

                            Turtle, Easeltine,

                            I know that I've given you both a hard time when it's come to all these things we've been discussing.
                            Though just the same I wouldn't have even bothered with any of it if I didn't seriously care for you both.

                            By me saying that I also do know that it's not going to change a single thing. Your both going to continue
                            with your love for the Penticostal doctrines and THATS THAT.

                            Amen !!

                            Dob!!

                            PS... The translation of the word Amen has beeen said to mean: THATS THAT ... there being the conclusion as a testamony of truth.

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                            • Originally posted by dobman53 View Post
                              Easeltine:

                              I honestly could care less about this Christian Identity business.
                              Not that I promote them or any such thing, because ... I don't !!
                              They have no powers to change one word thats written in the Bible.
                              On the 6th day God created Male and Female and told them to replenish the earth.
                              On that day God created all the different races that are presently upon earth.
                              God then rested on the 7th day from all his work.
                              God then said he had not yet created a man to till the soil,
                              6000 years ago God created Adam and Eve and placed them in the Garden.
                              This particular race of individuals were destined to later become Israel.

                              It's because of these reasons are why I could care less about what the CI movement says or doesn't say.

                              I feel the same way about those who don't know the first thing about what took place in the garden.

                              Easeltine I've asked you to explain Gen.3:15-16 and about all that you can say is: Snakes ???
                              Snakes can't impregnate women !!!

                              Easeltine it's you who ducks the truth every time in your own words of confusion.
                              Should I mention medifores and figures of speech, you go off on a rant about snake eggs.

                              In times past I've attempted to discuss tongues with you, and it was nothing more than a big waste of time.
                              Beings where your thoroughly convienced that tongues are holy gibberish, as your not about to ever relinquish
                              the thought of you giving up the posession of such a sanctified holy gift as tongues represents to your way of thinking.

                              Turtle these same things that I've spoken to Easeltine goes for you as well.
                              You might say that you have no denomination, though your thoughts and words
                              speak 10 times more loudly than any post of yours that speaks other wise.

                              Turtle without you realizing it you march to the same tunes and creeds that Easeltine
                              holds up so proudly. Christ spoke that if we had the faith of a mustard seed we could cause
                              a tree to be up rooted and tossed in the sea.

                              Turtle when you read such verses as that you automatically assume that you have the faith
                              of an entire mustard field, and then you go straight over the edge of the abyss saying all
                              sorts of crazy things about your powers. You even go so far as to imagine yourself dragging
                              me into a court of law for slander.

                              Turtle, Easeltine,

                              I know that I've given you both a hard time when it's come to all these things we've been discussing.
                              Though just the same I wouldn't have even bothered with any of it if I didn't seriously care for you both.

                              By me saying that I also do know that it's not going to change a single thing. Your both going to continue
                              with your love for the Penticostal doctrines and THATS THAT.

                              Amen !!

                              Dob!!

                              PS... The translation of the word Amen has beeen said to mean: THATS THAT ... there being the conclusion as a testamony of truth.



                              Dob, here's a question for you then. For the sake of argument, you are correct. On the 6th day when God created all these races of males and females, what were the females called? We know the male would have likely been called man, or men for more than one. But what would the ladies have been called? Were the ladies simply referred to as females during that time, while the males would have been called man or men? What I'm getting at is this. If the male was called man at the time, would the female have been called woman at the time? Isn't that exactly what a female is, a woman? Well at least an adult one anyway. Would they have been called women, all of the females created on the 6th day?

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                              • Originally posted by dobman53 View Post
                                Easeltine:

                                Turtle these same things that I've spoken to Easeltine goes for you as well.
                                You might say that you have no denomination, though your thoughts and words
                                speak 10 times more loudly than any post of yours that speaks other wise.

                                Turtle without you realizing it you march to the same tunes and creeds that Easeltine
                                holds up so proudly. Christ spoke that if we had the faith of a mustard seed we could cause
                                a tree to be up rooted and tossed in the sea.

                                Turtle when you read such verses as that you automatically assume that you have the faith
                                of an entire mustard field, and then you go straight over the edge of the abyss saying all
                                sorts of crazy things about your powers. You even go so far as to imagine yourself dragging
                                me into a court of law for slander.

                                Turtle, Easeltine,

                                I know that I've given you both a hard time when it's come to all these things we've been discussing.
                                Though just the same I wouldn't have even bothered with any of it if I didn't seriously care for you both.

                                By me saying that I also do know that it's not going to change a single thing. Your both going to continue
                                with your love for the Penticostal doctrines and THATS THAT.

                                Amen !!

                                Dob!!

                                PS... The translation of the word Amen has beeen said to mean: THATS THAT ... there being the conclusion as a testamony of truth.



                                Dob you can not even answer a simple question on Babel, in concurence you either care very little or you know not what in the Bible.

                                Second Dob, I do not possess in the since of I do not control The power of God. You should read this book written by a pentecostal on the Layman's guide to the Holy Spirit by Daniel Black. Book is inexpensive, I bought it when I was going through a crisises. Why because what I was seeing did not line up with God's word. So I felt lead to buy a book at a bookstore that was not a Bible, but it used scripture to back His doctrine. It was one of the soundest teaching on the Holy Spirit I ever heard. Key point in the book you can not control God. If only that sentence had been in the book that would be the one it could not do without. However one thing the book never talked about was slaying in the spirit. That is a debate between different groups if it is real or conditioning. Mass produce it could and can be conditioning. However soldiers fell backwards when they came to arrest Jesus.

                                NOw tell me if you can why did God confuse the language in the day of Babel?

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