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    What's everyone's spin on Bill Winston (Forest Park, Illinois)? Have caught him on TV a little and know a few people who attend his church; is he a run-of-the-mill WOF teacher?

  • #2
    This should answer your questi

    This should answer your question. He states emphatically that he is a prosperity preacher. I KNOW this for a fact.

    http://www.chicagofaithconference.org/

    (Message edited by gsrh on September 13, 2006)

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    • #3
      [b]Winston definitely isn'

      Winston definitely isn't perfect but the good there far outweighs the negative.
      This is not a run of he mill church. The church does things others could take note of including starting their own bank, income producing property etc.

      The people are loving, prayer warriors, and great. The church is multicultural. Yes he does believe in prosperity versus being poor. . .Having enough to give to every good work and need is better than being poor and what the scripture says in 2Cor9.
      He does believe in good stewardship of your money and resources and practices it himself.
      The church has special ministries including job and business classes to help people in all areas.

      Instead of the huge expense of building a big church, he bought and renovated an income producing mall with KMart, County Buffet, an Ultra Foods along with others that pay the church rent which covers the mortgage.
      He is pretty good at stewardship.

      Also they pay off the debts monthly of people who are in need and have financial problems.

      Winston also gets many people saved at all his services. They are then immediately prayed with, counseled, baptised in the Holy Spirt, and baptised in water the same day during the break between services.

      They have many ministries for all and probably one of the best Christian Bookstores in the Chicagoland area.

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      • #4
        I do not watch Bill Winston on

        I do not watch Bill Winston on TV, but I've seen him on Ken Copeland's show, and I like what he has to say.

        I believe he has done a lot of good for Forest Park, in terms of economic development. They have started their own bank, have income-producing property, and so forth.

        I basically agree with trs and what she said above.

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        • #5
          What he did was start a holdin

          What he did was start a holding corporation. With the monies that are held in the holding company, he is able to purchase banks, businesses, etc. They attempted to start a bank but ran into a few complications. Therefore, they started the holding company in order to facilitate their business ventures.

          I used to be a member.

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          • #6
            Winston has gone over to the s

            Winston has gone over to the stupid side.

            He now has a place on his offering envelopes titled "Airplane Fund".

            He talked on his tv show about his tour to the Gulfstream airplane factory in Georgia.
            He mentioned how the airplane he wants to purchase starts at $44 million dollars.

            He then tried to justify this unecessaarya status symbol and ridiculous expense. He stated how he likes it when Kenneth Copeland says "even a janitor can have a jet."

            This $50 million dollar jet costs $5,000 per hour in jet fuel to fly. It also costs large amounts of money for crew, rental space, landing fees, licenses, and expensive maintenance.

            He can fly anywhere in the United States for less than $600 advance booking.

            Who are these brain dead bad stewards of Gods offering money and the ignorant bad stewards that give him the money.

            So many people could be won to Christ if only the same money was put in the hands of a called person who has a heart for people.
            Bill Winston is no pastor. He is just a self proclaimed teacher masquerading as a pastor.
            He calls himself that to get his cash cow headquarters to base himself.
            His church is just a teaching center with no evangelism done outside the four walls of the auditorium. He spends his money on his toys and his status symbols from his religious formatted show geared to Christians.

            In the meantime millions go into a Godless eternity and millions of people need help with the bare necessities.
            This airplane thing is the next thing after their Rolex watch thing, $5,000 suits, $150,000 cars and million dollar mansions.

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            • #7
              trsrinheaven,

              On Thursday,

              trsrinheaven,

              On Thursday, September 14, 2006 you said about Winston, "He does believe in good stewardship of your money and resources and practices it himself."

              Now on May 31, 2007 Winston has become a "brain dead bad stewards of Gods offering money".

              Wow, that's a quick transformation. You would have thought there would be some kind of warning that he was going over to "the stupid side".

              You know, I have a simple litmus test I use to determine whether or not a minister can be trusted with your money .... it's called TITHING.

              If any minister tells you that you must tithe in order to be blessed financially by God, that person cares more about money than they do the truth .... therefore, they CANNOT be trusted with your money.

              Try it ... it works for me.

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              • #8
                Or they encourage you to tithe

                Or they encourage you to tithe so that you will be blessed by God. One more thing, if there is no Church board that is elected by the congregation, if it is "pastoral rule", if there is no regular financial report - run, fast, and guard your wallet.

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                • #9
                  mcmstaff
                  I understand what yo

                  mcmstaff
                  I understand what you are saying mcmstaff.
                  Since I have only visited the church and know others who on staff I didn't see it coming.

                  Many of the best intentioned people have started out right but once the flow of money seduced them they fell. Jesus said you cannot serve money and God. The problem is these people don't see their own shallowness choosing the worlds status symbols over reaching people.

                  The other problem is that so many desperate baby Christians are seduced by the surface, the looks and they lack knowledge and Holy Spirit sensitivity to discern good from evil. Hebrews 5 and Luke 16.

                  These people are so desperate for a pastor they accept anyone not knowing what a real pastor is.

                  Winston changed in the last ten months. The problem is deceived and spineless others don't see it yet.

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                  • #10
                    [i]Winston changed in the last

                    Winston changed in the last ten months. The problem is deceived and spineless others don't see it yet.

                    http://www.factnet.org/discus/clipart/rofl.gif

                    He changed or you changed ..... maybe YOU were one of the "deceived and spineless" ten months ago.

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                    • #11
                      MCM,

                      I have a question for

                      MCM,

                      I have a question for you. Earlier you suggested (see your post 136) that churches should have church boards elected by their respective congregations. Would you please share with all of us where that idea is found in the Scriptures - ??? Thanks, friend.

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                      • #12
                        jbkrems,

                        To some that is th

                        jbkrems,

                        To some that is the same as asking where the idea of using cocaine is found in scripture?
                        There are not always specific scriptures that give outlines but there are specific scriptures regarding all behaviors, the responsibility of all Christians in all situations, and the use of Gods wisdom.

                        Here are just a few of the many scriptures of Gods wisdom and direction to leadership and to all Christians. Jesus also points out stewardship in Luke 16.

                        They are all to be above reproach, with good reputations.
                        1 Thessalonians 5:22
                        "Abstain from all appearance of evil."

                        The idea of any Christian ESPECIALLY Leadership or ministries using BAD Stewardship of Gods property is throughout the bible.

                        Gods property is defined but not limited to as our life, our body, and all things created in the earth and universe. "God created the earth and all things in it."
                        "We are bought with a price, so glorify God in your life and body"

                        "Be wise as a serpent BUT INNOCENT AS A DOVE"

                        "Furthermore, a bishop must have a good reputation and be well thought of by those outside [the church], lest he become involved in slander and incur reproach(to God and his people) and fall into the devil's trap.

                        Now a bishop (superintendent, overseer) must give no grounds for accusation but must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, circumspect and temperate and self-controlled; [he must be] sensible and well behaved and dignified and lead an orderly (disciplined) life; [he must be] hospitable [showing love for and being a friend to the believers, especially strangers or foreigners, and be] a capable and qualified teacher,

                        3Not given to wine, not combative but gentle and considerate, not quarrelsome but forbearing and peaceable, and not a lover of money [or insatiable for wealth and ready to obtain it by questionable means].

                        8In like manner the deacons [must be] worthy of respect, not shifty and double-talkers but sincere in what they say, not given to much wine, not greedy for base gain [craving wealth and resorting to ignoble, deceiving and dishonest methods of getting it].

                        7Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

                        8Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;" 1 Timothy 3

                        10And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.

                        7For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;

                        Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

                        11Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake."
                        Titus 7-11

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                        • #13
                          jbkrems,

                          There is no wierd

                          jbkrems,

                          There is no wierd hyperspiritual way that some pastor, teacher, prophet, evanglist or apostle is chosen or above anyone.

                          God ordains and those that show and display the fruit of a ministry office will be shown to be of that office ordained by God.

                          Bill Winston is not a pastor.
                          Bill Winston is a preacher, self appointed teacher passing himself off masquerading and calling himself a pastor.
                          The wof camp is full of these.
                          That is why so many of their churches suffer. The overzealous followers in their desire to have a word church jump in without knowing the difference.
                          The "wof" camp has hindered, frustrated, and "quenched the Holy Spirit" in their services, preaching people to death.

                          They have kicked the Holy Spirit out of their church, in favor of themselves running the whole show. They preach people to death. Some have even given them some word but they fail miserably to put that word into use.
                          They do not allow the gifts to flow freely in their services. They quench the worship and cut the Holy Spirit off. They give no time to wait on the Holy Spirit and allow those attending to be led of the spirit. They NEVER corporately sing in the spirit and desire the Holy Spirit to move. They never teach on the Holy Spirit, the gifts, and its power yet the Holy Spirit wrote the Bible.
                          They call themselves "word" people?

                          One second of the "power" of the Holy Spirit can do more than a hundred teaching sessions.

                          Recently Bill Winston is pushing some more error on people to get their money for his agenda.
                          He is using error to get them riled up to lust after money.
                          He teaches they are kings and he is a priest.
                          He said the congregation is to go out and get the money and to come in and give the money to him because he is the priest. In reward for this they can then have that new mercedes, mansion or even an airplane. What a contrived flesh motivation with bad stewardship.

                          Why give money to Winston who does NO EVANGELISM, and only spends the money on his airplanes and luxuries of rich living.

                          The Bible calls all of us that we are now BOTH kings and priests.
                          It says we are now in the priesthood of all believers made possible by the finished work of the high priest Jesus.

                          We have been made by Jesus both kings and priests to operate and rule AND reign in life as a king and priest.Romans 5:17
                          For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

                          Revelation 1:6
                          And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
                          Revelation 5:10
                          And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

                          Come] and, like living stones, be yourselves built [into] a spiritual house, for a holy (dedicated, consecrated) priesthood, to offer up [those] spiritual sacrifices [that are] acceptable and pleasing to God through Jesus Christ. 1 Peter 2

                          9But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light; 1 Peter 2

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                          • #14
                            People are ordained to do the

                            People are ordained to do the work of the ministry, the business affairs of a local organization are a different matter. Even for the people who are "ordained", the people should have some say. The first deacons were "nominated", if you will, by the people. Church rule should be conciliar, it should involve both clergy and the people, not just the clergy. Anytime you put all authority in the hands of a few you do yourselves and those people a diservice - power corrupts and all men are subject to that temptation, as recent history bears out. Large sums of money with no accountability make it practically inevitable that one succumb to a love of money, even if only incrementally at first. To neglect a conciliar process that provides both accountability and protection from false accusations is good for those "in charge" and those "in the pew". To insist otherwise is to engage in hubris and deception - which is what we consistently see from this corner of organized religion.

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                            • #15
                              mcmstaff
                              I totally agree. Bei

                              mcmstaff
                              I totally agree. Being ordained as a pastor etc., does not make you a good steward.
                              Sitting in a garage doesn't make you a car.
                              These people masquerading as pastors are not qualified to build buildings, spread the Gospel, or to take care of the individual needs of the congregation.
                              They raise up teaching centers and call it a church.

                              These preachers are calling themselves pastors when they are not. A pastor cares about all the needs of the people and their relationship with God, their families and others.
                              This new breed of teacher/preachers have found a place to teach ONLY and forget the people and all the different ministeries of a church.
                              They are just teaching centers with so many things lacking because they are not churches, and these guys are not pastors.

                              These people kicked the Holy Spirit out. They don't allow the gifts to flow. They don't faciltitate the ministry gifts of the members. They teach for hours beyond what a physical body can sit for and few things change.
                              They neglect the youth, the marriages, the seniors, the singles and most of the important ministry basics every church needs.

                              The first leadership was nominated, appointed and voted on by the peoples approval. There are guidelines listed in Timothy, Titus and elsewhere for deacons, Bishops etc.

                              jbkrems,
                              I understand what you are saying. Even Paul who was not a Pastor but an Apostle had leadership he was responsible to such as Peter the other disciples, the counsel etc. On the otherhand pastor should not nitpicked by a committee or hindered by their lack of faith to accomplish Gods will, but at the same time should have scriptural guidelines to work within. Carte Blanche with the offering money and checkbook without some checks in place lead to nothing but problems.

                              Everywhere the Bible calls having groups of counsel as wisdom, counting the costs, and having workmen going in groups "two by two" etc. Nowhere does God say or show it as a lone ranger position to be a pastor of a church.
                              Displayed everywhere the local churches had a counsel of deacons and elders that ran the church. Some ministry was teaching, some serving directly to the needs of people but all of these were equal.

                              The pendulum has swung too far in rebellion to the overbearing and micromanaging congregations and their elder set up. They hindered many a pastor.

                              God believes in agreement. The church as a whole can come into agreement with each other on the important things.
                              Problems always arise when they do not consult the people and involve them in the process. This has never been wise ministry. "There is wisdom, and safety in the multitude and abundance of counsel" Proverbs

                              Minor decisions like what color to paint the walls, or type of carpet should be left to those with good taste and good stewardship of the money.

                              Jbkrems, Why are some good churches so small and other churches so large? What is Gods will on the subject?

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