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[Yak (66.118.101.109)]

Anonymous Rex,

Thankyou for calling me an old lady in a nursing home. What an interesting way to start a conversation, did you get that from Hubbard? Do I have to respond like an old lady too? Well let me see what I can do here . . . .

I just called the nurse again and none of the Aides are answering lights! They're probably all on break again and my room mate just **** a big circle around herself in bed!. You young folks need to be taught some responsibility!

Now what's this? You say you know somebody in an RPF? Isn't that one of those religious prison facilities L.Ron Hubbard started so he can watch people go pee in the bathroom? Well if they want to watch someone pee why don't they come work at our nursing home? The Aides around here are always putting me on the pot and keeping me there for hours! Even if I haven't drank any water that day! I could use someone to help me get off the pot sometime and if you want to watch me pee go ahead.

As I see it the entire problem with the Church of Scientology is that it doesn't have any Nurse's Aides. One person after another can **** and **** on anybody anywhere they want and no one has to clean it up. Which has got to be the craziest thing for some outfit claiming to be civilized to do. It's all might makes right with them, what are us poor disabled people supposed to do? I can't beat up some young man for picking on me! And I don't have any family left to defend me. If these people have all the special powers they say they have I have no defense against them.

Should something like someone's mental or spiritual safety be left up to someone's conscience to dictate when that same person is fascist, mean, or cruel? It is obvious that Hubbard started the damned RPF's to keep people in line, but he never did anything to keep himself in line. It's the fox guarding the henhouse, and Hubbard was exposed for being Satanic by his own son. What kind of help is a Satanist going to give anyone? Do you think it is fair to have to go to a Satanist for help? Shallow people make shallow Gods.

Now I gotta go my soap opera is coming on and the girls have to put me on the bedpan.

[Heartofoak (Heartofoak) (64.180.113.135)]

UMike: It's an interesting theory you put forth, but consider this angle; what if the Co$ is gonna hound Andreas because they believe that he came to the US with the intent to "harass and disrupt"? they've already pulled that crap with Kady O'Malley:

From the "religiousfreedomwatch.org" (yeah, right) site.

FAIR USE QUOTE
In March 1999, Kady O'Malley entered the United States with the purpose of harassing professionals working for the Church of Scientology. Together with her friend, Brian Murphy, O'Malley photographed these professional's homes and vehicle license plates and posted them on the Internet, her intention being to discourage these people from working for the Church by disrupting their lives and upsetting their family members, friends and business associates.

END FAIR USE QUOTE

Now, can you just *smell* the workings of a lawsuit in the making in that? I can, and when it comes to generating a basis for a lawsuit, I'm fairly tame. All the Co$ would need is a lawyer who could twist it and try to make it stick that Andreas came to the US with intent and macice aforethought to try and hassle him.

What do YOU think?

[Anonymous (68.79.31.101)]

No insults intended. There seems to be a lot of doubting going on and accusations that someone is playing a game.

I want to know what is truth and what is fiction.

I have a loved one in RPF and need to know what the right approach is? - Is this program harmful to the people in it?

Just simple answers - no drama. I understand what they do - I just can't understand why someone would allow another person to deny them personal freedom.

[Yak (66.118.101.123)]

<FONT COLOR="aa00aa">Anonymous Rex,

You need to find out why they were placed in there. And unless you are a fairly high ranking Scientologist you may not understand why they were put in there, thus you may never know. More often than not most people go in there for what they call ethics violations. But like I said before it&#39;s a matter of the fox guarding the henhouse. Why the Hell are a bunch of Satanists dictating what is ethical and what is not? They wouldn&#39;t know ethics if it slapped them in the face. And the higher you go in the cult, the worse the ethics get.

So should you try to get your loved one out? Definately, but unless you free their mind first I guarantee you they aren&#39;t going to go. They need to be brought to the awareness that no one that placed them there is any &#39;higher toned&#39; than they are. There is no bleeding heart at the cult&#39;s door looking to make them better. There is no such thing as a reactive mind, definately nothing called engrams, and all the auditting in the world is going to do is make you feel empty and devoid of emotion. If it were a good tool, believe me Psychiatrists across the globe would tell you so. It isn&#39;t.

You also need to know the level of ability they are at in the cult. Do they claim to be clear? OT? Other? Are they in a supervisory position? Etc. These are things that are going to affect his ability to leave. A very good reference to read on the subject of leaving the cult is &#34;My Nine Lives in Scientology&#34; by Monica Pignotti.

The cult tells people that the reason Scientology exists is because they are insane and they need Scientology to get better. Thousands of dollars in snake oil later and isolated from those that can help them they will decline in secret and rapidly. There are people that do need to be forced to get better, but I will tell you from experience that none of those people are down there. You will find what Psychiatry calls passive aggressives, Scientology calls covert hostility cases in complete control of every org.

Hubbard himself said that if a covert hostility case is in control of a business every person beneath him would have to be or act like a covert hostility case to survive. Hubbard had brains, but he was horribly twisted and manipulative. He captivated people by offering answers, but turned on them after they accepted. He knew what was right, but did what was evil anyway. Hubbard was the archetypical sociopath, they threw the mold away after making him. Hubbard was Dr.Jeckyll and Mr.Hyde. Thus everyone beneath him . . . .</FONT>

[Yak (66.118.101.123)]

<FONT COLOR="0000ff">H of O and Umikey,

It may actually be a bunch of things, in other words everything we&#39;ve mentioned and possibly more. It would probably fall under the category of criminal mischief. A lot of little crimes not big enough to make a charge on their own, but grouped together make a big charge.

Now what did SF mean a few posts up? I&#39;m not sure what he meant. Did he say one of the posts was nuked and it belonged to an alias of Padgett? I tell you he can be the most bewitching person.

Yak
Klingon Ambassador
Himalayan Ox </FONT>

[Heartofoak (Heartofoak) (64.180.113.135)]

Anon101:

Ok, you say no drama, and I&#39;m down with that. If you&#39;re on the up and up, I&#39;ll respect what you say and deal with it on that level, although, I do give fair warning that if you **** me over on it, I shall remember. that is NOT a threat, BTW, it&#39;s just how I approach people I do not know in general.

Now then...

If you have someone you know, respect or love in the RPF, and are itching to help or assist, my thoughts and hopes are with you 100%. However, the reality of the issue has to be faced before the emotion can act. What we&#39;re most worried about &#40;and I mean that in a &#34;royal&#34; &#34;we&#34; way&#41;, is that someone is playing a very dangerous game here, feeding crap to people who just want to help, luring them to sacrifice their honour, freedom and good names in an operation that will not only backfire badly, but make the people who stand against SCN look hideious in comparison to what SCN offers.

Let&#39;s continue...

Let&#39;s assume that IF someone acted on this without proper intel, and it blew up in their faces, they would face jail time, loss of property and freedom and all the while the Cof$ could turn around and play the &#34;Poor Me&#34; card at the table, pass themselves off as a &#34;persecuted religion&#34; and get an assload of pubic sympathy as they attempt to do at religiousfreedom.org &#40;note that religious freedom there means religious freedom for the Cof$. No other religion seems to be championed there&#41;

Wouldn&#39;t be good, would it?

So... We have to play our cards wisely, even though it may be hard for us to do so, due to our emotions, &#42;especially&#42; if someone we know is involved in this travesty.

That pretty much sums up, IMHO, why you are seeing a lot of hemming and hawing and trepidation on the part of the critics who would love nothing more than to go in and DO SOMETHING, but know that we&#39;d like to do nothing more than help, make it count and &#40;again&#41;, IMHO, strike a blow for people&#39;s freedom as opposed to glory-hounding for themselves... it&#39;s just that level heads have to prevail here...

Who are your friends? Who are your enemies? The delination is not always clear.

[anonymous (anonymous)]

To Yak and Heartfelt

Thanks for the kind support. I really need this at this time. I only hope that I can find the right words and will be able to hit the right switch. I know this RPFd person has tried to blow a few times, but always reaches back. We send pictures and letters and do get responses but it is always the same letter. The letter reads like a copy of a letter out of a &#34;sample letter&#34; book.

Questions: Do they &#34;hold&#34; their money?
Do they really take their credit
cards and their IDs?

[heartofoak (heartofoak)]

&#34;Heartfelt&#34;... Hee, that&#39;s cute

Anyway...

To answer you, Anon101, yes, they do hold the RPFers money, credit cards ID and passports &#40;where applicable&#41;. This has been confirmed from other sources &#40;one says that an RPFer may not have more than $20 in their possession&#41;. This makes it harder to &#34;blow&#34; the RPF. I can&#39;t sugar coat it any better for you... I&#39;m so very sorry about that.

It&#39;s not suprising to me that this person you know keeps wanting to reach back, especially if they&#39;ve been in for a long time, because it&#39;s the only world they know now. It may be a harsh world, and it may be unfair, but they are balancing it off against teachings that their family and friends are probably SP declared &#40;just my guess&#41; by now and they have no marketable skills outside the Org. Where would they go? What would they do for a living?

How frightening that must be!

Additionally, it&#39;s my understanding that all incoming and outgoing comms are heavily monitored and censored. you may be sending the pics, but they may not be getting to the intended recipient. As for the &#34;form letter&#34; responses you get, I haven&#39;t personally heard anything about how a SCNer in the RPF is directed to write comms, either rumour or confirmed account, however, it would not suprise me at all that someone is standing over the person&#39;s shoulder directing them like the letters kids send home from summer camp where they are told to say &#34;Having fun. The bunks are nice. Please send money&#34;

I&#39;m sorry. I truly am, Anon...

[anonymous (anonymous)]

To Anon

Thanks for the confirmation and the kind words. My RPF did have the means to leave, but I know now that she does not. In the past, because she has done the RPF before, we would have to call and call to get to her and then send her a ticket. One time I believe they took her ticket because it somehow disappeared. When she was on post and not in RPF she had a credit card and could take the shuttle to the airport. I will wait until I visit her to get more info , if she will share. By the way she never asks for money.

To MG
Can you explain more about yourself for credibility purposes?

I am a parent and I feel that my child &#40;now an adult&#41; is wasting a wonderful talent by staying in Scientology. I don&#39;t want to have her to feel like the person I read about last night.

I was slightly acquainted &#40;through business&#41; with someone who committed suicide in 2001. I just read this last night and after reading the statement this person&#39;s father wrote I started to realize just how delicate the situation is. This was very traumatic for me? I recognized some of his reasons for going to Scientology because they echoed my child&#39;s reasons. This just makes my husband and I more fearful of saying the wrong things to the RPFd one and because of those wrong words losing her forever. WE are both getting up in years and really miss having a relationship with her.

I want my child to know that we do support whatever decision is made and I also don&#39;t want to have my kid to feel time was wasted. Somethings have to have merit. Certainly to stay in Scien for 20 years teaches one to be tenacious. I don&#39;t want to convey that the time spent was totally lost.

I am a parent and
What is your relationship and what are the specific reasons he is staying,after all he&#39;s not tied up and handcuffed. ok?

The reason to stay is probably her marriage. I feel that is the main reason at this point and also does not want to admit that the &#34;tech&#34; is not what she was told. Often times she will say that she should be free to practice the religion of her choice, which is what every scientologist says. When you ask several scientologists questions the same questions - the response is exactly the same. Even when someone leaves the SO and has little to do with the church they give you the same answer. I feel they stay programmed a very long time.

I am too nervous to give my name.

[anonymous (anonymous)]

I&#39;m sorry. I truly am, Anon...Sorry for getting some of my opening names mixed.

HeartofOak &#40;my name for is Heartfelt&#41; I will remember that I am Anon ---I am new to this and I hope to do better. I do have a sense of humor and sometimes this gets me through the days and nights, of which I am having many !!!

Anon

[heartofoak (heartofoak)]

Anon101:
Well, if you&#39;re new to message boards and their type of communication in general, it can be confusing and errors get made. It&#39;s no big thing, and you seem to have the good manners to address and rectify any confusions that happen, so it&#39;s all good. A lot of the folks here have a decent sense of humour. The one&#39;s I&#39;ve encountered so far, anyway, although humour styles can vary widely ;&#41;

I don&#39;t know if you are involved in Scientology yourself, or if what you know is simply by association via your child, but if you&#39;re new to discovering the true agenda of the Cof$, one of the best sites dedicated to giving information specifically about the &#34;Church&#34;, especially it&#39;s continuing abuse of it&#39;s members and staff, is the Operation Clambake site at www.xenu.net

In particular, the &#34;Info pack&#34;, available from the front page, is very helpful for people wanting to know how to handle having a loved one who is &#34;in&#34;.

HTH

[ambassador_yak (ambassador_yak)]

Anon,

The best thing you can do right now is not give us your name. We want you to study what is going on here before you make any moves. And if you can afford a lawyer I suggest you get one just so you don&#39;t make any legal mistakes that can cost you.

A good tool to get people out of the cult is to tell them they can get the same thing for free elsewhere. There are plenty of people connected to this site and others that can tell your daughter what is at the higher echelons of power in the cult. Tory Magoo is one of the first people that come to my mind, she was a former OT7 with the cult! Drop her a few e-mails and see if she hasn&#39;t got some good suggestions for you. There are a lot of people that are learning what is at the higher echelons in Scientology without spending all their time and money for it. And a lot of what they offer at the top can be at best discribed as &#39;filler&#39;, but most call BS.

The cult is going to feed on your daughter&#39;s isolation. They are going to continually distance her farther away from her family and better judgment until she will accept anything they say at face value. And if she refuses to believe it she can be forced back into the RPF&#39;s. So to begin with know that the more attention you draw to what the cult is doing to her the freer she will become.

Give the story carefully to the media and you will do a lot to free her. When you go to meet her bring all of her old friends, even if they don&#39;t get to see her! If you think they are going to argue religion with you bring a priest to do it for you. The more people you have witnessing what they are doing down there the better. Bring someone with you whenever you go to meet your daughter and pin a picture of Lisa McPherson to your coat before you leave.

Another problem: Is she a spiritualist now? Does she believe in a spirit world? Ask her if she thinks that everybody should be out of their body.
Tell her to count the number of people around her that really feel safe when she is getting better, then ask her if she would like to see those same people in spirit around her. You see, even the Devil can be a spritualist. It&#39;s whether they can be trusted in spirit that counts.

Get back to us when you can and be careful not to mention her name, nor any unusual problems they may use to identify her with. I can be reached at yak@whoever.com . Do not use your real name.

[anonymous (anonymous)]

To Tigger and unmike

Ball of fluff is welcome to give an opinion and information - and I also feel Tigger has valuable information to give. Which of you has been in the SO?

I appreciate this post and I agree with your assessment regarding what is the wisest thing to do. Some of the postings are just too emotional for me and I have to keep my mind free and positive.

I was not sleeping, but decided to calm down and stick to my plan which is to visit and try to take the RPFd to lunch - I intend to go every day for lunch or dinner, even if she can&#39;t come.

I do call and ask for RPF and then I am transferred to the phone and I leave a message. I have been called back though it takes a while to get a return call. I know that she is on a speaker phone and I do hear others in the background. She never wants to upset me and if I keep calling I eventually get a callback - so that is in my favor.

She is a lovely woman with much to offer society. I know that I have to stay calm and let her know that she is welcome back, does not have to apologize for her beliefs, and can still grow and use her talents on the outside.

I do not intend to kidnap her or do anything foolish - I do intend to have much more contact and hope I find the &#34;switch&#34; to help her move on a decision to return to the wog world

Thanks for your prayers.

Anonymous

[sylvies_friend (sylvies_friend)]

Yak,

POTUS is an ID I creaed for myself to poke some fun at the president of the United States &#40;i.e. POTUS&#41;

With regard to Mary Maxwell:

During her tenure with United Way, Mrs. Gates helped expedite the explosive growth of her son Bill&#39;s fledgling software company. After discussing Microsoft with fellow United Way committee member and IBM chairman John R. Opel, the two companies forged a relationship, which led to Microsoft developing an operating system for IBM&#39;s first personal computer. . . .and MS-DOS was born.

[olska (olska)]

To the mother of RPFer,

Since someone who recently posted on the internet was on the RPF for 6 or 7 years, I would NOT do as Ball of Fluff suggested and just wait until she gets off the RPF.

I have an adult child &#40;not a scio&#41; who constantly reminds me &#40;often hurting my feelings in the process, but oh well...&#41; how important it is for a young adult to make their own decisions, manage their own life, learn from their own trial-and-error process, regardless of how big a mess they&#39;ve made of it.

I think your plan to show up every day to take your child to lunch or dinner is absolutely brilliant. Probably no one in the Sea Org has seen anyone do that before, so they are likely to be baffled, particularly if you don&#39;t give up no matter what they say. I suggest:

1&#41; persist until you are allowed this contact with your child. If anyone tries to prevent you from this contact, just keep on keeping on, and while remaining completely civil and polite &#40;no anger, no threats, no picket signs&#41; ask &#34;why&#34; and &#34;what do I have to do to get to see her?&#34; etc. until she comes out and goes to lunch with you. If you are enough of a &#34;pest&#34; about it, they might MAKE her come out to &#34;handle&#34; you!

2&#41; say nothing negative or critical of scientology to either your child or the &#34;keepers,&#34; because if you do that they will label you an &#34;SP&#34; and make her disconnect from you and convince her that you&#39;re the enemy.

3&#41; at lunch/dinner, bring news of the &#34;outside world&#34; -- news from the newspapers and tv -- political, social, big court cases, news of the war, price of real estate, sports, unemployment rate, blah blah blah, and funny stuff as well. You may know what your child was once interested in, so bring any news of that subject. RPF and most SO have no idea what&#39;s going on in the world. This gives you something to talk about over the meal without talking about scientology, and lets your child know that life is continuing outside of scientology -- as it always did, as it always will. If she asks questions about life on the &#34;outside&#34; just answer with the facts as you know them.

4&#41; ask if she needs anything -- clothes? underwear? money? blankets? letter paper? stamps? telephone change? toiletries? candy? cigarettes? and bring it. Bring her small gifts, such as a little potted plant, a pretty key chain. Bring photos of the family. Bring her something small and silly or sentimental to read for entertainment -- a joke book? a romance novel? a book of poetry?

5&#41; don&#39;t discuss RPF conditions or activities unless SHE brings it up. Don&#39;t discuss your internet research of the subject. Don&#39;t get into conversations about scientology, period. Don&#39;t get into conversations that start with you asking her, &#34;are you sure you&#39;re OK??&#34; soaked in motherly concern &#40;pride will force her to say yes mom I&#39;m fine&#41;

6&#41; close your visits with a low-key, mild comment such as &#34;well if you ever want to come home I hope you know you&#39;re welcome.&#34; Or not. Keep it open but let HER reach for it when she&#39;s ready.

By showing up often &#40;daily would be WOW! but if you can&#39;t manage that, just go as often as you can&#41; for these &#34;lunch dates&#34; and refraining from criticizing or even commenting on her &#34;religion,&#34; or the RPF or her comrades or anything related to scientology, you will communicate to her by your ACTIONS that you love and accept her unconditionally and that you represent a &#34;safe&#34; escape when she&#39;s ready. Be patient!

After a few visits, she may decide the outside world looks mighty good and just go home with you.

Meanwhile, keep reading the internet and learn everything you can about this cult, and keep posting. Good luck to you!

[anonymous (anonymous)]

Wow you guys Your response brings tears to my eyes and raises hope in my heart.

Yes you all have some insight to offer and I am considering all. Please don&#39;t get defensive with each other and know that no judgements are being made here on my end. All is welcome and believe me I read the posts over many times.

I do realize that the road is spun glass and any small slip could break the thread that can lead me to my girl. Time and patience must prevail.

Here is just one of my many stories:

About 8 yrs ago she suddenly decided to come home, she was bombarded with phone calls and finally was convinced to go back. At that time something seemed to frighten her and I heard her tell her husband &#40;not the one she is married to now&#41; to &#34;just take the RPF and get it over with.&#34;

We had been talking to her about what we found out from CAN pamphlets and asked her to consider staying with us.

I know at that time she told her superiors that we were doing this and their voice was louder than ours. She told us that she wanted to stay in SO so we agreed to respect her decision. After she returned to her base she called to tell me the values we brought her up with were tried and true and for me not to feel she forgot them.

I have only seen her about 12 times in 20 years. We do write, phone and send pictures. Gifts are sent for birthday and Christmas. She carefully picks them out and they are sent with genuine love. But --- their voice is still louder and I am hoping to make our voice a great big loving roar.

Last year I saw her and she seemed quite happy - more than I had ever seen, We had a large family gathering and there was a lot of &#34;do you remember when we did such and such&#34; going on and a lot of laughter.

She and her husband were zoned in on all of the conversations that were taking place, and had much to contribute. We all felt that they were making new plans - but of course this could all be hopeful imagination on our part.

Then I found the insider letter - she&#39;s aware that we know where she is and defended the program, but I also know that she sounded very nervous throughout our conversation.

Anonymous

[ambassador_yak (ambassador_yak)]

No one can complain this site isn&#39;t helpful.

ambassador_yak

[ambassador_yak (ambassador_yak)]

Anon,

I feel very sorry for you. It looks like this is going to be a difficult extraction, she&#39;s a long time member. Arm yourself with the truth and you will get through.

As I recall the Cult Awareness Network was taken over by the cult many years ago, after someone with dollars signs in his eyes accepted a bribe of a lot of money by the cult to purchase the name. Now if you go there you will actually get Scientologists.

Do you believe your daughter is a Spiritualist now, which vaguely means at this point she refuses to believe in a Heaven or Hell, just Spirit? Have you the answer to this yet? Shown how corrupt these people are you could scare her out. Being Klingon I love this tactic.

Ask for her e mail address if she has one.

[ambassador_yak (ambassador_yak)]

Will someone please tell me how to reset my username in this damned username box? I&#39;m using Mozilla and they asked the question when I didn&#39;t have to be registered. Now that they&#39;ve turned the whole site upside down and I had to register, I&#39;m fighting the computer for my new name. This is irritating! And Mozilla doesn&#39;t tell you anything. It gives you a damned snail mail address!

[anonymous (anonymous)]

Hi ambassador_yak

Thanks and I know that it will be difficult - you have given me food for thought re her being a spiritualist. This is a very good point and I will pursue that avenue.

As far as scaring her or forcing in any way - this is just not my style and I do want a good relationship with her if she does leave and want to maintain what we have now &#40;as little as it is&#41;. It is a delicate situation and I will need all the positive vibes I can give.

It is hard to figure out who is still a scientologist and who is not. Also I do not feel that those who still believe in the philosophy are &#34;bad&#34; , I just think that we all need something to hang on to. Hopefully all will see that LRH is a blatant plagerist and con-artist and the people who are at the top are greedy and totally unscrupulous.

Anonymous