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bro_derrick
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Username: bro_derrick

Post Number: 1633
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 70.218.129.61
Posted on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 8:09 pm:

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"Don't you realize a seducing spirit has control of you?" dmn

Speaking of seducing spirits, let's see what a true loyalist (Master Dmn) does with a plain, simple, and rightly divided judgment of Scripture as applied to Davis' most infamously famous claims about himself, his Christianity, and his ministry. Indeed, the very spiritual thing upon which all his personal power, appeal, and dominion over others rests:

'These things have I written unto you concerning them that SEDUCE you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the SAME anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.' (1 John 2:26-27)

This Scripture from John who personally loved Jesus and worshipped the Lord as any other, stating that God is Love, says:

We all have the same anointing in Christ from God as any other Christian, and ALL they who lay claim to any kind of better, greater, or double-amount of God's anointing Spirit is a SEDUCER of other believers. The only extra spirit they have is a SEDUCING spirit mixed in with the Spirit of God, so that they are able to lead others astray from faith in Jesus only to faith, trust, and loyalty to themselves as false Christs, other Shepherds, and extra Heads over and for Jesus' spiritual body and house.

"I told God that I wanted a double-portion of His Spirit, so that I could fulfill His commission to me in this world!" Davis of his apostleship

"O God. Give them the anointing that you have given me!" Davis ordaining his ministers

This means he did not believe they yet had it, which means that it is another extra, greater, more powerful anointing to recieve AFTER salvation, Christian growth, Holy Ghost baptism, ministerial practise, and finally ordination.

In effect, Davis wants other ministers of HIS to have this secret super-anointing from God that HE has, so that they can be such a great success at building churches like HE has, so that by organizational growth HE can have even greater power and cash.

So, Davis is a SEDUCER of good Christians for the sake of personal profit. He is hereby smeared with his own oily darkness.

Master Dmn: Can you unsmear him? Is he misquoted? Is the Scripture misapplied? What say you about your Leader?

(I chanced to directly challenge a loyalist once again, because I can see the genuine sincerity with which Dmn is posting. This means the dispute is pricking his heart. Thus, I truly do have hopes for him...)


bro_derrick
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Post Number: 1648
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 70.197.113.56
Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 3:13 pm:

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DMN:

Is Davis seducing other Christians into his own ministry by claiming a greater anointing than others?


dmn
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Username: dmn

Post Number: 230
Registered: 6-2006
Posted From: 168.13.127.66
Posted on Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 12:37 pm:

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Derek the Derelict,
Like I said, You are following a seducing spirit and, as is usually the case, you don't realize it.
You actually think that God wants you to attack Pastor as if you are on some holy mission or something. Any normal person with even a casual knowledge of the things of God can see that you are out of balance.
What do you do man? Sit around in some dark room and research ways to post against Pastor? Wierd!
Well there is a rhyme and reason to everything and your "rhyme and reason" you are hiding.
I DO NOT SEE YOU AS SINCERE. But a vile reprobate that lives up to his nick name, DERELICT.
Fess up, how much are you getting paid or have been paid? Be a man and come clean.
Either you are being paid to do this or you are off in the head, which is it?


tracy_pelfrey
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Post Number: 871
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 69.208.12.97
Posted on Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 12:40 pm:

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Who is footing your bill? Who would think to ask such a question, unless they were getting compensated in some way...either materially or...what?


pelfdaddy
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Post Number: 862
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 166.214.203.192
Posted on Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 3:10 pm:

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David Nelson thinks that a man who disagrees with "Pastor" is a "vile reprobate". Evidently there is no hope for Derrick's salvation because God (through Dave Nelson) has declared him beyond the reach of Christ based on his opposition to God's Man, RW Davis.

I wonder what Dave thinks about a preacher who lies about his past, pretends to prophesy, and arranges for the disolusion of marriages based on loyal to himself. He probably thinks that such a filthy abuser is "God's Man".

Is it true that Davis fondles little girls? Can anyone verify this?


meisteremh
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Post Number: 50
Registered: 12-2005
Posted From: 130.76.32.16
Posted on Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 5:04 pm:

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dmn,

you didn't actually answer the question, sincere or not.


jcbsport2
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Post Number: 42
Registered: 10-2007
Posted From: 192.173.45.143
Posted on Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 6:50 pm:

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I must agree with DMN on this, although I really do not like DMN. Derek is messed up and off balanced, and if anyone here was here on a seducing spirit, I would say it would be Derek,

JS


michael_ismyfirstname
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Post Number: 25
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Posted From: 72.172.36.242
Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 2:55 am:

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jcbsport2 - if you are going to go and draw that line in the sand. I sure as heck am not going to waltz on over to yours or DMN's SIDES because of your accusations to his stability. I believe him to be sincere and of more sound mind then a lot of those blind robots out there, that wouldn't dare depart from their soul capturing program.


jcbsport2
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Post Number: 48
Registered: 10-2007
Posted From: 68.109.249.99
Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 9:57 am:

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Hey Michael,
I do not like DMN and I am not on his side. But that does not mean I do not believe he has some valid points, sometimes. DMN is a lose cannon, in a different way than Derek.

JS


mark_g
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Post Number: 531
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Posted From: 72.201.122.179
Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 11:28 am:

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"Is it true that Davis fondles little girls? Can anyone verify this?"


Please tell me that this is some kind of a sick joke.


dmn
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Username: dmn

Post Number: 231
Registered: 6-2006
Posted From: 168.13.127.66
Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 11:44 am:

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Wicked witch of the web,
Who foots my bill?
My God shall supply all my need according to HIS riches in glory!
Look up my church address in our directory and send a donation! And remember, ALL CHRISTIANS PAY TITHE! HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Puffed up daddy,
Making all of these off the wall allegations shows that you have no credibility. You must understand that arguing the substance of a false premise is a complete waste of time. Just because lies are told often and for a long time doesn't make them true. Now you are accusing him of something completely in left field. I am telling you sir, get that head injury checked and rediagnosed. Maybe they need to adjust your medication. Really, out of concern for you.
What next? I know! There is a UFO launching pad in Pastor's workshop in graham! It was kept at the camp ground but they moved it to graham. We have a martian work camp at snoqualmie pass! They print up our tithe envelopes! And repair our wingtips.
You watch, derek the derelict will be up in the mountains looking for our secret martian work camp! Sending posts from some cave somewhere!
ALL YA'll SOS!


michael_ismyfirstname
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Username: michael_ismyfirstname

Post Number: 26
Registered: 10-2007
Posted From: 72.172.43.194
Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 11:50 am:

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ok Jacob I agree DMN has some points. But his extremely poor representation of himself has convinced me that he is inconclusive. Therefore, DMN I ask you a question.

Can you provide evidence to disprove my opinion?

My opinion is that DAVIS is partially without natural affection.

My opinion is directly influenced by MY actual observations of this MAN.

There are too many blanket excuses to the partial absence of his natural affection.

I am not levying on his soul a tax of evidence through works of natural affection. I am saying that, that man is not nice. BOOM.


jcbsport2
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Post Number: 50
Registered: 10-2007
Posted From: 68.109.249.99
Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 12:20 pm:

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Michael, he is going to come back at you with a bunch of bla bla bla. You cannot argue with the man. He may not come back at you at all. He is so blinded by his absolutist beliefs to heed anything anyone on here says. He is so convinced he is right about everything and everyone on here is damned. He is what is known as Dogmatic:used to describe a person of rigid beliefs who is not open to rational argument.


ambovee78
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Post Number: 130
Registered: 1-2006
Posted From: 72.24.181.139
Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 12:24 pm:

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sounds like my grandfather. Even if you can prove without a shadow of a doubt that you are correct. He still thinks he is right no matter what. Like Astrology and Astronomy are the same thing... which they are not. That is just an example.


still_in_pain
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Post Number: 91
Registered: 7-2007
Posted From: 24.22.186.75
Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 12:33 pm:

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DMN Said;
"Just because lies are told often and for a long time doesn't make them true"
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Boy, you said a mouth full there Doc!!!


dmn
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Username: dmn

Post Number: 234
Registered: 6-2006
Posted From: 168.13.127.66
Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 12:46 pm:

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There is no evidence needed to disprove a false premise.
I have known the man for around 18 years. I have a different opinion of him than you do.
Be a man and say who you are and you will have more credibility.
Pastor has done countless works of niceness. Ask puffed up daddy about when Pastor gave him money to help him get by because he had been injured. I know of another man whom Pastor took groceries because he was having a hard time. The man is a Pastor, that in and of itself is a selfless service to others.
You aren't going to change your opinion so what's the point?
There are many that went to Bible College and were not mature enough in the Lord to take the added discipline that is needed in the Bible College setting. You may fall in that category. Maybe, because of your inflated opinion of yourself, you were offended because Pastor didn't talk to you the way you thought he should have. Bible College is not a normal "Church" setting and additional rules and disciplines are necessary as part of the training process. Pastor is completely different in how he handles candidates for the ministry and regular church members. In your case, apparently, the way Pastor handled you was wise because it brought out your immature poor attitude, manifest on this forum. We don't want people like you in our ministerial ranks. With God's help we will get all of the denisite (rhymes with parasite) scum out of our holiness organization.
That's the problem many on this forum have, they should have never went to Bible College to start with because they weren't really called. The discipline and extra pressure of God's ,character building, pressure cooker process was too much for them. Many times how men respond to tests determines whether they will be a Balaam or a Daniel.
How can I be conclusive if I don't know who you are. I can't help you sir if you don't tell me more about your back ground.
But I can be conclusive in speaking of Pastor. He is above all a real christian man whom I love and respect very much.
Men driven by the spirit of this world crucified Christ and counted him a fool. That was their opinion. Of course, their opinion was wrong.You have your opinion about Pastor, it is wrong, so what? Opinions aren't conclusive.
What does God think? Now that is conclusive.


ambovee78
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Post Number: 131
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Posted From: 72.24.181.139
Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 1:00 pm:

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If he is such a selfless person why is it that when he gives something to someone... he expects something in return. As a Christian you shouldn't "help" someone out and then expect something in return. That is selfishness. You should just "help" the person and know that God will repay your kindness. I never expect anything back when I help someone out. I know GOD is watching and that is all that matters to me. If they want to find a way to repay me that is totally up to them but I do not at all expect them to repay me in some way. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Is not GIVE unto others and guilt trip them into doing unto you!

We as Christians should never expect something on return when we help out a brother or a sister. People who do are greedy heartless fools.


ambovee78
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Post Number: 132
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Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 1:08 pm:

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If he is such a selfless person why is it that when he gives something to someone... he expects something in return? As a Christian you shouldn't "help" someone out and then expect or demand or guilt trip them into giving you something in return. That is selfishness. You should just "help" the person and know that God will repay your kindness. I never expect anything back when I help someone out. I know GOD is watching and that is all that matters to me. If they want to find a way to repay me that is totally up to them but I do not at all expect them to repay me in any way. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Is not GIVE unto others and guilt trip them into doing unto you!

We as Christians should never expect something in return when we help out a brother or a sister in need. Or preach about it from the pulpit because that is bragging and we all know God dispises prideful people. People who do are greedy heartless fools. That is why now when I tithe I do not fill out an envelope. I just put it in the collection plate and that is that. God see's my tithe. Doesn't mean everyone else has to know what I tithe. I learned in NTCC if you put it in the envelope and label it that they will eventually hint at you for money if they know you make a good amount of it. And sorry to say. Unless God directs me otherwise I don't just hand out money to anyone reguardless of who they are. But when God says give money for this or that or this person is in need help them out. I give. No questions asked. No expectations of repayment of any kind. Anyone who knows me well enough knows that I don't expect favors in return for the things God would have me do.

Davis is Greedy. I heard many times while still in NTCC his "stories" of helping people and his "bragging" about it and have also of what he expects out of it from his own mouth. So give me a break will ya! That man doesn't lift a finger to help anyone unless it is going to profit him.


pelfdaddy
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Post Number: 866
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 166.217.160.52
Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 3:28 pm:

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Hey Dave Nelson,

The pervert you call "Pastor" owes me about forty thousand dollars.

He is a thief AND a liar. You have known him for 18 years? Wow, you must really know everything necessary to conclude that he really did have conversations with angels!

Funny how thousands of people whom Davis has nearly destroyed find him utterly contemptible, so that the organization must be innoculated constantly with the belief that "there are lots of people out there who tell lies about Pastor!"

Sure there are, Dave...talk to his victims if you have the guts. I know you don't.


michael_ismyfirstname
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Username: michael_ismyfirstname

Post Number: 27
Registered: 10-2007
Posted From: 72.172.43.194
Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 3:38 pm:

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ok DMN
the name is Michael Lee Krieger. I have faults I have flaws, I have so many that your holiness would rather need bash my head in then reason with me. Please tell me where in I am wrong. Let me self incriminate so that you have sufficient ammunition. my inflated opinion of myself has caused me to be some what of a vigilantly, I have not yet received a thorough abasing, therefore I might be in danger of pride creeping in. This is evident in my blatant disregard for your dignitaries and associates in company. I have been too harsh at times and I am sorry for stepping on toes. However I still hold to the Hope that such men as yourself and others will not prove immune to a little constructive criticisms. As for myself I do not pray for a quick fix but rather a renewing and a refreshing.

The discipline and extra pressure of God's ,character building, pressure cooker process was too much for them. Many times how men respond to tests determines whether they will be a Balaam or a Daniel.

I didn't know that your BS was a two-fold factory, Balaam or Daniel you say. Please give me a list of names of all the Balaam's that this pressure cooker has brought out of hiding. Please Make this list that I might see and know and mark them which have been declared tainted. I can determine what I need to do from there.

Again sorry for not being more respectful in my posts. I will try to be more respectful.


michael_ismyfirstname
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Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 3:54 pm:

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What does God think? Now that is conclusive.

I dare you, to pray for God to place Judgment upon the matter. That does not mean that God will listen to you. HE does as HE chooses.

I on the other hand Pray for Davis to be brought away from the errors of his ways. I have hope that the man will not fight the promptings for him to grow in respect and consideration for those he chooses to demoralize into a helpless heep of emotional mess.

I know I challenged you but I do so in sincerity. I do not dare you to pray to God for Judgment. For I fear that Davis would have his life brought to an end.


michael_ismyfirstname
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Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 5:01 pm:

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If Davis wants to come on here and tell me how ignorant and arrogant I am, and can be, don't you think that he should to shut my filthy face and confound me. I will take his verbal slaps and I will walk away, or will I? No I am not going to walk away from the matter until I have had my fare share of abuse. I don't think I have quite reached my pain threshold yet so let him bring the smack down. Then when I have had enough I will back down and roll over. Let him then pierce my heart as I lay there in a submissive position. I have infringed upon him and his status, dare he rebuke me. Come on Davis shut this clown up I know you have the capacity to.

take heed all by standers I am asking for it. so, I beg all of you please don't demonize him for how he chooses to respond to me.

I am invoking the wrath of Davis, let him show me how much I am in the wrong. surely Davis you don't consider your self human therefore you need not worry about being held to human standards. Why worry about beating this helpless dog. This split tongue deceiver, come on show me how much fire you have in that holy ghost filled body. Show me you can put me in my place. before you do maybe you should have some one look over what you are about to write and approve it lest you make a mistake and crumble into itty bitty pieces.

And if you would like me to apologize to your face man to man. I will spend my money to fly where ever you are and apologize man to man face to face. However if I am told not to go by my Heavenly Father, I will not.


ctyankee
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Post Number: 172
Registered: 4-2007
Posted From: 70.46.40.38
Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 9:14 pm:

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The problem with Davis' so-called generosity is that HE creates the situations where the majority of his preachers and their families are forced to live in poverty or low middle class. Because of the demands placed upon them by Davis' strict regimin (they have to go to EVERY church service, revival, class and conference) they primarily have to take low paying jobs which will work around the church schedule. Added to this burden is supporting a family on a shoestring budget, mandatory tithing, offerings, paying to get to the town they are laboring in and paying to go to conferences (plus the lack of income during conference). Then, when they are having an emotional and/or financial crisis which might cause them to consider leaving the church, Davis will whip out his wallet and give them a couple hundred dollars-- to which people will comment about how generous he is. When HE created their poverty to begin with. It's psychological manipulation at it's best.


michael_ismyfirstname
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Registered: 10-2007
Posted From: 72.172.43.194
Posted on Friday, October 19, 2007 - 1:00 pm:

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Don't blame the messenger but blame the poop mouth that spews out offenses.

false doctrines are highly offensive. A mouth that speaks false doctrines I call a filthy (or poop) mouth.

the product of the false doctrines is the evidence that gives the accusations substance. Substance to the accusations gives the accusers credibility.

the product IS division and dissension. this means the corrupt tree is bringing forth corrupt fruit. Mental instability, divisions, and dissensions. Heal yourself of your denisite roots you suicidal church.

Pressure cooker that has the potential of producing Balaam's. That sounds like a suicide mission.

Bringing awareness to the false doctrines is to shake the tree and cause more fruit to fall to the ground. i.e. More division and dissension not to forget the double heaping of mental instability.

Those tranquil smiles are nothing more then mental euphoric induced by harmony with Davis.


michael_ismyfirstname
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Posted on Friday, October 19, 2007 - 2:24 pm:

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with a very lack luster effort evil is exposed. I say this because the dragging feet of these minister's of God still have not produced me with a list of names. A list of names of exposed and marked and tainted BALAAM's.

Such a list is of utmost importance because of dangers these tainted people can cause unto the truth and the soul.

I still wait for a actual factual list of BALAAM's. there needs to be truth in exposer. Their lack of effort to produce a list of names hints at the possibility of a lack of credibility. I might not be able to believe the face value of their accusations of people being BALAAM's. Causing the need for scrutiny of such a list of names.

I took your warning of BALAAM's seriously my wavering friend DMN, however you did not take me seriously there for you have run from my light and wait for the boogie man to leave you alone.

I am not a boogie man. I am not I assure you.

I miss spoke when I said your BS was a two-fold factory. I meant the Bible Seminary of NTCC is a two-fold factory. I know that it is not your BS (bible seminary) I am not yet accusing you of producing BALAAM's.


bro_derrick
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Posted From: 70.197.165.61
Posted on Sunday, October 21, 2007 - 2:58 am:

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"dmn, you didn't actually answer the question, sincere or not." meisteremh

Correct.

DMN,

DO you have the same anointing as Pastor Davis?

(I still ask, because I still have hopes for dmn. Remember, it's darkest before the morning light, and the clouds break AFTER the storm...)


dmn
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Post Number: 235
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Posted on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 1:11 pm:

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MIMFN: Pastor doesn't have to answer to you partner.
You want me to pray that God judge?
Okay, I'll pray that God judge between you and pastor.
God does things on his timetable and in his way but I will pray that God judge between you and Pastor and that God hastens his judgment.
Pastor is a good man with a good heart and you guys ought to be ashamed of yourselves.


tracy_pelfrey
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Posted From: 76.211.15.198
Posted on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 3:06 pm:

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dmn said:

"Pastor is a good man with a good heart and you guys ought to be ashamed of yourselves."

Sorry dmn, but there is more proof against this statement than for it. PROOF. FACTS...you know, those annoying things which get in the way of the false reality you and others in NTCC are living in.


still_small_voice
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Registered: 11-2006
Posted From: 207.200.116.135
Posted on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 3:28 pm:

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quote:
You want me to pray that God judge?
Okay, I'll pray that God judge between you and pastor.
God does things on his timetable and in his way but I will pray that God judge between you and Pastor and that God hastens his judgment.


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Not sure what spirit animates a comment such as this, but I'm certain it isn't Christian. Eerily similar to threats I have heard made by another pastor I was 'under' who used to be a part of NTCC.

Just add a threat to pray for demons to come against him and you'd be all the way there.


bro_derrick
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Posted From: 70.197.168.147
Posted on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 3:56 pm:

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Dmn,

Once more.

This is about YOU.

Do you have the same anointing as Pastor Davis?


ctyankee
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Post Number: 175
Registered: 4-2007
Posted From: 69.244.208.162
Posted on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 11:26 pm:

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The ministers of the "New Testament" Christian Church believe that they are Old Testament prophets of judgement and destruction, and revel in the thought of God's so-called enemies dying horrible deaths. Especially those who have left their church and dare to expose wrongdoing and hypocrisy of their church. They totally disregard the model of the New Testament that Jesus set, which was of servitude, forgiveness and love. When Jesus' disciples asked Him if they should pray for fire to fall on others withstanding them, Jesus rebuked them and said, "You know not what spirit you are of. For the Son of Man came not to destroy life, but to save it".

"Ye that have ears to hear let him hear" - Jesus


tracy_pelfrey
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Posted on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 11:57 pm:

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dmn sounds very much like many in his own organization, but also, just like Denis and his followers.

Many is the testimony of those who were told by Denis and Bercini and others in HOP that they could bring down God's judgment upon those in the congregation if they wanted to.

And where did Denis and is followers learn their antics from? From their "former" pastor.

dmn seems to be cut from the same cloth.


mklo
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Post Number: 620
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Posted From: 67.185.114.218
Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 12:01 am:

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Pastor is a good man with a good heart...


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That's probably what they said at Jonestown.

DMN, you are blind. Davis's arrogance and covetousness are in right in front of your face, every time he struts into his pulpit. Wake up.

If you must protest, please provide some evidence for his alleged "goodness." You can't. The man is proud, ambitious, pathologically controlling, rude, arrogant, condescending, short-tempered, irritable, materialistic, petty and manipulative. The fact that he can be all these things while convincing people that he is God's Anointed only attests to his skill as a con man and an actor. (You know full well that he teaches that preachers must be good actors.)

Those of you who remain stubbornly and stupidly loyal to this impostor have been challenged again and again to provide some evidence that he is a "Man of God," and you can't.

But we'll give you another chance. Please articulate clearly and substantially why you think this man is "a good man with a good heart."

I think he is exactly the opposite, and that his poisonous fruit bears witness.


pelfdaddy
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Post Number: 884
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 166.214.204.150
Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 12:31 am:

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Dave,

I have never encountered a Baptist, Prebyterian, Charismatic, Catholic, Methodist, or any other person that you refer to as a "compromising so-called Christian" who would divorce a spouse over the issue of organizational loyalty, then re-marry quickly to another party based upon the same criterion. And yet...this happens all the time within ntcc. If your church is not exclusive, does not promote the idea that "we are the only ones who are saved", that "when you leave here, you are leaving God", and etc....then where are these people aquiring the peculiar notion that a marriage is secondary to their loyalty to RW Davis? If not from The Man Himself and his henchmen, where pray tell?

Roger Davis is a good man; this is undeniable...IF you define a good man as one who co-opts all who enter his orbit toward the fulfillment of his personal goals; or who falsifies evidence of his own special calling to intimidate others into reflecting his greatness back onto him; or who silences truth to protect his own reputation; then indeed Davis is a good man.

If a bad man is defined as one who behaves as if other people actually exist and have importance in their own right, or who possesses a capacity for empathy and humility; then certainly his critics can find no real evidence for this.

Also, Davey boy, I am certain that when you pray for God to judge between Roger and one of his critics, you would never insert qualifiers about God's timetable simply because you know that nothing will really happen, would you? Didn't think so.

And one more thing, Davey...from the day I first encountered ntcc, I was insulated with tales of people who "wanted sin" and "left God" and who "tell lies about Pastor". What sort of man has to pro-actively protect himself against hundreds of past associates who might talk too much?


sevailha
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Username: sevailha

Post Number: 101
Registered: 5-2006
Posted From: 70.6.93.47
Posted on Thursday, October 25, 2007 - 3:41 pm:

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I have never encountered a Baptist, Prebyterian, Charismatic, Catholic, Methodist, or any other person that you refer to as a "compromising so-called Christian" who would divorce a spouse over the issue of organizational loyalty, then re-marry quickly to another party based upon the same criterion. And yet...this happens all the time within ntcc. If your church is not exclusive, does not promote the idea that "we are the only ones who are saved", that "when you leave here, you are leaving God", and etc....then where are these people aquiring the peculiar notion that a marriage is secondary to their loyalty to RW Davis? If not from The Man Himself and his henchmen, where pray tell?

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This is adultery if I understand the Bible correctly. If I am wrong, someone let me know where and how.


bro_derrick
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Username: bro_derrick

Post Number: 1720
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 70.197.62.202
Posted on Friday, October 26, 2007 - 10:23 am:

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It also confirms that Davis has gone beyond having his ministerial 'mistakes' burned to the point of his ministry defiling God's temple, body, and church by teaching adultery to Jesus' servants. (1 Cor 3:17)(Rev 2:14)

And so Davis is to be destroyed as an adulterer, even as them that have allowed him to seduce them to do so for loyalty's sake. (Except any of they and he repent)


bro_derrick
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Username: bro_derrick

Post Number: 1721
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 70.197.62.202
Posted on Friday, October 26, 2007 - 10:38 am:

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Dimn, Dumn, Doomn:

I'm afraid your time has run out.

You had a perfect oportunity to show yourself a true believer in Christ, rather than just another lackey for Davis.

All you had to do was confess & declare that you have the same anointing in Christ that Davis has, even as the Scriptures teach.

Your no answer is the confirming answer of cultists: you WILL NOT say that, because you do not believe it, because you are a true follower of Davis, who you would not dare to be so proud as to claim the same anointing as he!

This is the corrupted heart and soul of cult-Leaders: to have greater anointings than other believers, whereby they are able to openly preach false commandments and push personal programs. And why do the sheep allow it? Because these great Leaders have so-much-greater anointings from 'God' for the express purpose of ruling over them as personal (false) christs on earth.

Davis' loyal followers are the under-anointed believers under his ministry. They are not even full-fledged hirelings of Lucifer, as Davis is, but rather they are committed underlings of a devilish hireling!

So, Davis' pulpit-pushers and loyal railers on Factnet don't even qualify as 'hounds from NTCC hell', but are only underdogs barking, yapping, and biting at the sheep's heels!


bro_derrick
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Username: bro_derrick

Post Number: 1722
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 70.197.62.202
Posted on Friday, October 26, 2007 - 10:44 am:

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Dimn, Dumn, Doomn:

I'm afraid your time has run out.

You had a perfect opportunity to show yourself a true believer in Christ, rather than just another lackey for Davis.

All you had to do was confess & declare that you have the same anointing in Christ that Davis has, even as the Scriptures teach.

Your no answer is the confirming answer of cultists: you WILL NOT say that, because you do not believe it, because you are a true follower of Davis, who you would not dare to be so proud as to claim the same anointing as he!

This is the corrupted heart and soul of cult-Leaders: to have greater anointings than other believers, whereby they are able to openly preach false commandments and push personal programs. And why do the sheep allow it? Because these great Leaders have so-much-greater anointings from 'God' for the express purpose of ruling over them as personal (false) christs on earth.

Davis' loyal followers are the under-anointed believers under his ministry. They are not even full-fledged hirelings of Lucifer, as Davis is, but rather they are committed underlings of a devilish hireling!

So, Davis' pulpit-pushers and loyal railers on Factnet don't even qualify as 'hounds from NTCC hell', but are only underdogs barking, yapping, and biting at the sheep's heels!


michael_ismyfirstname
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Username: michael_ismyfirstname

Post Number: 1
Registered: 11-2007
Posted From: 75.88.192.121
Posted on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 12:20 pm:

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I have still not received a request from Pastor Davis for myself to apologize to himself.

Is he needlessly pretending to be a martyr of my agonizingly harsh and cruel words?

or does he consider me a sad contemptible fellow who is undeserving of his spittle to ease the fire that is going to burn me up like chaff?

Maybe it is neither extreme but rather he just simply does not care what is said about himself.

Does this make him more like Jesus? In that he will not render evil for evil. (I did not say the things about him that I did to render evil to him.)

Does he instantly forgive and at the same time feel sympathy for me? Is he like a child in pureness? If he is why do the children who follow him leave his side to go on crusades to root out the devils on factnet?

Maybe these children act out as free agents and such actions should not be linked to the pure child that is Davis.

Are these children running towards the factnet beast with swords drawn in order to attack and slay, before the beast crucifies the pure child Davis?

Everyone fled when Jesus went to be crucified. Are these children super loyalists that will not flee Davis but rather passionately attack others so that they can be considered defenders of truth?

I am taking back my statement in a post above that started, "those tranquil smiles..." I know there is more to everyone then what that statement implies. Like me I believe they all profess Faith in the Father, Son and Holy Ghost as well as the Bible.

If Davis wanted to make peace he would offer to compromise with the fellows on here.

"sirens" "sirens" dirty word!!! compromise is used and needed in relationships. I am not talking about compromising commandments that are of God. It takes effort to get along with people. You can't write people off because they don't make all the effort to have a good relationship with you.

Would you consider Jesus a compromiser because he talked with the Samaritan women by the well?

or maybe a compromiser for spending time with children, his disciples tried to stop the children. Why did Jesus love the little children?

Does Jesus still love the little children? I know for a fact he does not consider them to be compromising his efforts to bigger and better things.


bro_derrick
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Username: bro_derrick

Post Number: 1875
Registered: 9-2005
Posted From: 70.216.183.88
Posted on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 8:39 pm:

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"Maybe it is neither extreme but rather he just simply does not care what is said about himself." michael

Davis is so committed to his business, that he doesn't even care about himself, but only his business about himself.

What makes him so convincing to others is the fact that he HAS SACRIFICED HIMSELF to it.

The problem being made clear is that it is a false sacrifice, unacceptable to God (!)

That's why being utterly sincere still doesn't make it right nor good, and just because the one teaching it has or is doing it too, still doesn't make it right or good:

'...and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.' (1 Cor 13:3)

Like a Jihad Islamist: they sacrifice themselves and others to their religious business that ain't PURE.

The only thing that gets Davis' attention is the numbers. For numbers Davis will compromise or destroy ANYTHING and ANYONE, including himself:

'For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.' (Rom 14:20)

Factnet is simply a voice that the sheep may escape by, if they want. So just keep up the good work as Jesus gives it to you to do, and don't worry about what Davis thinks. We already know: Business.

"Sorry pal, it's just business." Davis' conscience & answer in the end. (And God's to him likewise: Reap what sow...)