Cfcmi Leadership: Read This.

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An appropriate graphic for the CFCMI website:

http://lmaclean.ca/LisaMacLean/nfblog//__HOMEDIR__/www/LisaMacLean/nfblog/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/ozymandias 2.jpg

Even when there are few new posts because there's little to say, people continue come to this forum to learn about the cult that's rapidly becoming history. What's particularly striking is the level of interest in the Characteristics of a Sociopath thread: according to John's posts above, there have been 4,859 views from 1/1/12 to 3/19/12—more than twice as many views as any other thread during the same time.

[John Cady]

5/25/2012: even though we haven't been doing a whole lot of posting on this forum, interest is still running strong. Here are the latest views:

CFCMI History Channel: 37,397 (34,950)

Characteristics of a Sociopath: 26,190 (21,143) - this is significant because even with just 37 posts, this thread has generated a major amount of interest, most likely by those who want to know the motives behind the actions of Lloyd, Pete, Ed, and their cronies.

Ed is Ozymandias: 25,955 (23,960)

CFCMI is a Crock of BS: 23,580 (22,390)

CFC Observations: 19,537 (17,724)

CFCMI Leadership: Read This: 11,378 (10,538)

Deranged, perverted, delusional and just plain stupid CFCMI quotes: 11,205 (10,747)

CFCMI's New Building: 11,091 (10,556)

M.o.n.e.y.: 10,158 - newest thread to break over 10,000 views

Also, there is a CFCMI Survivors group on Facebook. It's a good tool for those who left the fun bunch and simply want to vent or share their experiences.

[onetime]

Wow!

Q: What kind of sick puppy videos himself getting a haircut, and emails it to random people?! (What a f*cked-up concept of networking! LOL!)

A: The same type of whackjob that films himself sitting in his spooge-pond.

This kind:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vtu3j5HF67o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqL7s...feature=relmfu

In time the topics turned to things more serious, things that made absolutely no sense. Why Dan Lantis was a pastor. He was a total madman. – James, courtesy of Just CFCMI Help, http://www.justcfcmihelp.com/

To Peter "Princess Fatty Pants" Paine and Edward "Stents Don’t Fail Me Now" Thomas....

The thing in these hideous videos is the product of YOUR cult, a direct result of YOUR ministry. He’s a direct reflection of YOUR boy-raping father-in-law and his system of abuse so carefully preserved by YOU. He was YOUR kind of guy. He was more important to YOU than the others. YOU put him in YOUR inner circle and called him Senior Pastor. YOU preferred unstable men like Daniel P Lantis over good, decent, hard-working, loyal men because he defended YOUR criminal founder, lied for him, had sex with him and others, and he did whatever YOU told him to do. Even after he single-handedly destroyed an entire church, YOU still kept him on, because his qualities are highly valued above all others by YOU, expect when they infringe upon YOUR bottom line. Only over issues of money do YOU send people like him away.

Daniel P Lantis is what Christian Fellowship Cult Ministries International is all about. He is an example ("unbusted excuse") of what YOU produce and turn loose on the world. When I see this lunatic incoherently rambling in some apartment-complex community hot tub, I see LR Davis. I see YOU two. I see YOUR horrid wives.

Same spirit.

[Hostile Duty]

Disturbing... I couldn't finish watching the "think tank" video. It is rare to get a good look at what happens to a cashiered ex-leader. If he is truly out, he needs help. Hopefully he and his family won't self destruct.

I hope Ed "total control" Thomas and Pete "plausible deniability" Paine enjoy their pensions that we all paid for.

[bramble]

Lantis is creepy! He seems like he is high on something. He's really mentally off balance--needs a shrink and meds, maybe. Those eyebrows need waxing--I don't usually say that about guys.

[onetime]

Too curious flower
Watching us pass, met death...
Our hungry donkey
– Basho

[onetime]

Right now:

84 Threads
3,071 Posts
259,295 Views

That's an increase of 47,887 views and 253 posts since July 28.

It’s been a while (11-21-2011) since I did a complete, top-to-bottom, total views check so here goes:

85 threads
3,202 posts
336,443 views

With strong ratings like these, I'm sure the comedy/tragedy show will be picked up for another season.

The leading market sectors:

20,000 Views
38,654 - CFCMI History Channel
28,819 - Characteristics of a Sociopath
26,665 - Ed is Ozymandias
24,140 - CFCMI is a crock of BS.
20,313 - CFC Observations:

10,000 Views
12,138 - Cfcmi Leadership: Read This.
11,425 - Deranged, perverted, delusional and just plain stupid CFCMI quotes
11,272 - CFCMI's New Building
10,495 - M.o.n.e.y.

5,000 Views
8,594 - What Would Bring CFCMI Its Fatal Blow?
8,392 - CFCMI Christian Minister's College
7,865 - Single Men
6,983 - Be a Truth Seeker
6,892 - My Space Link—cfcmi
6,462 - What Do They Believe & Why Do They Stay?
6,371 - Dan Lantis
6,025 - L. R. Davis
5,723 - CFCMI Chuckles & Chortles
5,666 - Christian Fellowship Still a Cult

[John Cady]

After watching a program on 20/20 which covered child abuse in churches, I was hit with a hard question. Should a church disclose to its congregation that there are registered sex offenders attending? If I were a pastor (thankfully I am not), I would share the facts with people on a one-to-one basis. I say this because some RSO's join a church AFTER they committed their crimes, and it is enough of a shame that their information is public record anyway. Even so, there is a legal and moral obligation to protect the families.

What incensed me was the response by one pastor who said he wouldn't - he said nonchalantly that since the info is available online, why should he be involved? That bothers me given my previous church affiliation, plus the fact I have children whom I would not around someone who, by law, is not allowed to be around them. It is a sad commentary that the media is the ones exposing this problem to the public, and not the churches themselves. Why? Because the media tends to slant and smear the information so people will quit attending any church, much less give their hearts to God.

I originally posted these comments on Facebook following a 20/20 expose on child sex abuse in Independent Fundamental Baptist churches. Given our experiences with CFCMI in this matter, a very important question must be raised. To Pete - if there are known registered sex offenders currently attending CFCMI, isn't it your duty as the general pastor to let others in the church know about this? We are not talking about violating privileged comminication because RSO information is public record. However, if a member stumbles across a familiar face and was not previously aware of the person's legal status, then we have a very awkward situation where Pete will have to speak the truth. There won't be any tap dancing around the facts here, because it's already in the open. The parishioners have a right to know that if RSOs are there, they are prevented from being involved with the children. This is both a legal and moral duty.

Which will it be - sharing the painful truth, or trying to cover it up like you did for L.R. Davis? Either way the facts will come to light.

[bramble]

If I were the pastor I would kick the child molestors out.

[John Cady]

Betrayal Trauma

Has anyone ever dealt with strong emotions following a situation where a relationship based largely on trust has been violated? Has anyone felt like trying to hide those feelings or even deny they exist? If so, they may be dealing with what is known as “betrayal trauma”. It is a more common problem than we realize, and it is very damaging to its victims.


What exactly is the definition of betrayal trauma? Jennifer Freyd from the University of Oregon wrote an essay explaining what betrayal trauma is. Betrayal trauma is a relatively new field; Freyd first discussed this in 1991 at her presentation to the Langley Porter Psychiatric Institute. Here, she described the trauma as a conflict between what is actually happening (external reality) and the sense of dependence on another person or institution. This trauma results from different events: child abuse; suspecting or catching a spouse in the act of adultery; realizing one’s church had lied about serious problems; and domestic violence. In each of these instances, Freyd pointed out that a system of psychic (mental) blocking is in effect to reduce the negative impact of this trauma, especially when the individual is dependent on the other person, or system, for his or her survival. While this may help cushion some of the impact of the acts of betrayal, the sense of dependency – real or perceived – coupled with this makes it difficult for the victim to break free of the traumatic situation. Spouses in either an adulterous or abusive situation will find it difficult to divorce, even when there is clearly no possibility to reconcile. Church members, including ministers, find it hard to walk away from their organizations because it is perceived that their church is “the way to salvation”; walking away for a justifiable reason can be seen as “being damned to hell”. Children who are abuse, according to Freyd, have it even more difficult. They must strive to block or suppress emotions and memories of the abuse while at the same time must keep a sense of dependency for the caregiver, or their lives may be in jeopardy.


Laurie Kahn describes this type of trauma as one where the victim is forced to live in an ambivalent situation. While they desire the care and affection of the caregiver – be it a parent, spouse, or pastor – the victims at the same time fear the same thing they crave. In an abusive relationship, Kahn mentions that love and abuse become very strange bedfellows; the victims learn coping skills that suppress memories of the abuse to maintain a semblance of sanity. The child will at least feign love toward the abusive parent; the victimized spouse will try to pretend the affairs are not a major issue; the congregation of an abusive pastor will still justify in their minds that their spiritual leader is being “led by God” despite behavior to the contrary. Those who are finally brave enough to break free from these abusive relationships are faced with a new challenge: how to communicate their feelings. Kahn stated that it is more common for an abuse to re-enact their situation in therapy instead of verbalizing it. Her reason is that the memories are so deeply suppressed that it is difficult for the victim to say in words what they feel. Whether the therapy involves a divorce counselor, child abuse therapist, or exit counselor for victims of spiritual abuse, the challenges are nearly identical. Many abuse victims feel alone at first. Through various counseling methods, and time, concepts of love and trust can be redefined and the perverted model once experienced can be shed.


In conclusion, betrayal trauma is very common but not well understood; the more we learn about it, the more effective we can be in helping others recover from abusive relationships.

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[onetime]

It’s been a while (11-21-2011) since I did a complete, top-to-bottom, total views check so here goes:

85 threads
3,202 posts
336,443 views

87 threads
3,285 posts
380,810 views

44,367 views since 7-1-2012.

That's a lot of traffic. Interest in this cult continues. That's good for the public. Not good for the cult.

[onetime]

87 threads
3,285 posts
380,810 views

44,367 views since 7-1-2012.

That's a lot of traffic. Interest in this cult continues. That's good for the public. Not good for the cult.

Pre-apocalypse edition.

According to some soothsayers who study the Mayan calendar, the world will end tomorrow and become as dead as the CFCMI cult is today. So I guess there’s still enough time for a final viewer update.

For what it's worth, the final numbers:

87 threads
3,310 posts
400,686 views

19,876 views since 11-2-2012.

The final top two threads:

50,009 views - CFCMI History Channel
44,718 views - Characteristics of a Sociopath

That should do it. Good luck. It's been a pleasure.

Of course, if the ability of the mystics to prophesy is on the same "high" level as fortunetellers Pete Paine and Ed Thomas, we should all be OK.

[John Cady]

We have survived 2012 and welcome in 2013. Here are the stats for 01/01/2013:

Top 5 Threads/Views
CFCMI History Channel - 50,200

Characteristics of a Sociopath - 46,024 (with just 50 posts this is very impressive indeed)

Ed is Ozymandias - 29,005 (The thread is now closed, but it is a very good case study)

CFCMI is a Crock of BS - 27,200

CFCMI Observations - 23,913

When taking into account the old FactNet boards (before 2008), this topic is now close to celebrating its 10th year. We are not going away.

[John Cady]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_1E82lrGvJe...IM+JONES+5.jpg

History DOES repeat itself.

[onetime]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_1E82lrGvJe...IM+JONES+5.jpg

History DOES repeat itself.

CFCMI is a good example of this axiom.

Uneducated, unqualified, carnally-minded psychopaths sucker insecure, vulnerable people to join their cultish clique. Once the victims are in, they use fear and intimidation to keep them in line and bleed them dry financially, emotionally and morally. When the dupes are finally used up—be it days, weeks, months or years—they are cast of like an old pair of shoes and forgotten. This history has been repeated over and over since the 1970s.

Fortunately for society, people are finally starting to wise up. Just look at pictures of the latest CFCMI "International Conference" and you will see signs that history is not "repeating" itself like it used to.

Until the cycle stopped once and for all, there will always be some that continue to fight the good fight.

[onetime]

From May to July 2009, the old CFCMI thread over in the Citi-Data Norfolk forum exploded in the number of views, making it the # 1 thread there at the time. Then, for reasons that were never disclosed, the thread simply disappeared one morning. There were only a few thousand views here back then, so we began to track the growth here as best we could.

On 2/28/2010, I did the first top-to-bottom tally of all the threads in the "Christian Fellowship Church Ministries International LR Davis" sub-forum and the views totaled 94,386.

Here are the viewer numbers along the way since then:

03/18/10 – 100,111
06/23/10 – 122,396
09/20/10 – 138,923
07/28/11 – 211,408
11/21/11 – 259,295
07/01/12 – 336,493
11/02/12 – 380,810
12/20/12 – 400,686

That’s pretty impressive growth considering CFCMI is nothing but a little fleabag cult. When we topped 100,000 views three years ago, it seemed so impressive at the time. Now today, the two top threads (CFCMI History Channel & Characteristics of a Sociopath) total 100,304 views alone!

That’s a lot of attention on the CFCMI brand, but probably not the kind Peter and Edward planned on.

Then again those boys never did plan very well, now did they?

[John Cady]

April 6, 2013

Here are the top 3 threads:

Characteristics of a Sociopath - 60,774 views. With only 58 posts, this is especially amazing as much information is shared here on how the minds of abusive leaders work.

CFCMI History Channel - 52,984 views. While this thread isn't as active as it once was, this is an excellent source of information on the inner workings of CFCMI from its earliest beginnings. There was a recent spike recently due to posts covering the Norfolk walkout in 2003.

Ed is Ozymandias - 30,003 views. Sure, the thread has been locked and no one else can post now. However, it reveals much into the personality and behavior of the man who tried to be like L.R. Davis, but couldn't.

9 other threads now have 10,000 or more posts. This is more proof there is much interest in what went on in that place, even though we have not been as active on the boards as we were in the past.

Truth will never be stopped.

[John Cady]

I am posting this message for all those who presently attend CFCMI and yet live in the closet. In light of a growing shift in opinion on gays and "gay rights", why would anyone continue to live in the closet?

- Nine states have legalized gays to marry.

- Gays can now serve openly in the armed forces.

- Discrimination based on sexual orientation is no longer permitted.

Yet, here we are in 2013 and there are some who, because they don't want to "tarnish the church's image" continue to live in the closet and pretend to be straight. Guys, it would be better for you to be open and honest about what your lifestyle preference is than to keep living in hiding. No one today is going to persecute you or keep you from a job. The worst you will ever hear from me is a disagreement, but nothing more.

CFCMI's public image was ruined decades ago by its founder. He used his position to cover up his abuses and crimes. Being open and honest about your lifestyle won't hurt CFCMI; it's already been trashed.

There are also churches that are very open to gays, and would welcome you in with open arms. The bottom line is this - you owe Pete nothing. He is the one who was worried about the church's image, and thus wanted you to stay in the closet. Leave, and be with a group where you can be free to live as you wish.

You will be healthier for it, too.

[onetime]

From Lester Bodentine, Buttscratch AR*: Please pray Pastor Thomas comes clean and confesses all of the lies he told us and all the money he took from us to buy things for himself and his family and all the people he was mean to and how he covered up for LR Davis when he knowed he was guilty. We’uns would like for him to do that.

Don’t hold your breath, Lester.