Deism,Founding Fathers and God

[searchlight86]

In case anyone is interested, I found the following site and products available from them to be educational on this topic:

http://www.wallbuilders.com/

They have amassed a significant amount of primary source material from the 'Founding Fathers' that is very enlightening, see especially 'Historical Documents', 'Historical Writings', and 'Issues/Articles':

A couple of specific articles I recommend taking a look at are:
http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissue...les.asp?id=113
http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissue...es.asp?id=8755

Cheers,

searchlight86

[turtle]

In case anyone is interested, I found the following site and products available from them to be educational on this topic:

http://www.wallbuilders.com/

They have amassed a significant amount of primary source material from the 'Founding Fathers' that is very enlightening, see especially 'Historical Documents', 'Historical Writings', and 'Issues/Articles':

A couple of specific articles I recommend taking a look at are:
http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissue...les.asp?id=113
http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissue...es.asp?id=8755

Cheers,

searchlight86

Okay my take and it just a take. You know society changes, and the only way to protect traditions is through a group that will protect heritage. Some of these men might not all beleive the same, yet their ritualism might be different. Bottomline Christians came to america looking for freedom. Why because they were being persecuted. No one would put a book above their own words if it was just a book. They had to of seen God of the Bible in their own life. For our historical buildings has all kinds of documentations of it. The fact remains knowing this who can protect heritage and freedom, our four fathers, yet sometimes even these groups can be a bit zealous forgetting their roots. We all get trapped by looking forward and never looking back. And true in sodom and gomorrah that was probably best not to look back. But look what they were going to look back to. Our nation founding history though it has problems with how we treated those in the land, is not as bad as some would like to claim. And if we fail to remember then we loose our freedoms as we know them.

No just glanced at the page. Did not read it, but this was on my mind and thought I would say it.

[truth_child]

society may change and people may change but THE WORD OF GOD STANDS FOREVER

[turtle]

very much so...R, u said u really liked tom jefferson...have u ever done any reading about peter the great?...he was horrible/good in equal measure...but he had a fascinating life...and he yanked russia out of its muscovite dark ages...fd

Have done little research on Russian history mostly picked up what I do know from books on russia history.

[truth_child]

all ive read about other nations are in history books i dont know any other lanquages so i cant understand their writting is i read it or was to have to in their lanquage

[turtle]

To quote Thomas Paine, "I believe in one God, and no more; and I hope for happiness beyond this life.I believe in the equality of man; and I believe that religious duties consist in doing justice, loving mercy, and endeavoring to make our fellow creatures happy."



Deism is a valid belief system that provides an alternative to any of the other religions around today- for those still searching for a system to believe in...

Because I believe there is positive value in all religions, and because I believe that each individual has the right and responsibility to find the belief system or lack thereof- that they believe is is correct according to their conscience and reason, along with Thomas Jefferson, "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man & his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state." (Letter to the Danbury Baptists, 1802); and James Madison, ""Every new and successful example, therefore, of a perfect separation between the ecclesiastical and civil matters, is of importance; and I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in showing that religion and Government will both exist in greater purity the less they are mixed together" (Letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822); I believe in and totally support the concept of separation of church and state.

My take on seperation of church and state is as follows. We look at why the puritans were willing to give up so much to come to america. The left so did other sects. Why because their freedom to believe was in opposition to the church of England. Of course these groups realized they did not all agree, but they knew they were no match against the red coats by themselves. So instead of warring with each other they warred togetehr to protect the freedom to believe as they wish. Of course American history goes on to the salem witch trials. Where groups of this nature were persecuted. One must look at what truly happened. It happened because people failed to investigate throughly and taking only one person's word for something. That is why a person is innocent until proven guilty and not guilty before proven guilty.