Some destined to salvation, some not?

[rodney_mccarthy]

I don't want to seem to persuade, thats not my place, but the one I look to is Jesus...God must draw those who come to Jesus...Why not draw everyone? If God so loved the world? My answer, some are destined for the kingdom...I can't escape this fact, its the same as God creating evil...Now what happens to all those who are not destined to salvation, when hell is destroyed? We are eternal right, what happens to those spirits?

So many unanswered questions and most people get there answers from the book, instead of Jesus who lives on the inside, the throne of our heart (the kingdom).

They only have a relationship with the written text, the book.

Blessings to you...

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

That is an interesting observation. I have never met anyone who had a relationship with a book. I have met many who fell sucker to a (wo)man.

[truth_child]

rod... no one is predestined to hell or heaven we go to heaven by faith IN THE LORD JESUS CHRIST and to he by not beleiveing in or rejecting HIM the bible says that the devil also believs and trembles but he is a lost foe who will untimatly be in the lake of fire. any one born on earth has the privalge to go to heaven to be with THE LORD IF they WILL BELEIVE ON HIM
and as far as the racist/sexisist remark about falling sucker to a "(wo)man" they are not a beleiver any way for they if you listen to their remakes you will find out they arent. and im talking about the one who posted above mine. also they take what "books " say instead of THE WORD OF GOD

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

I was speaking of you, not the one above.

[truth_child]

rod the one who said that is a liara nd the truth is not in them. he said he hates me therefore he is not saved.

[truth_child]

rod no one is destined to be saved or lost as i said before i f aperson needs THE LORD and will call on HIM HE WILL HEAR them

[turtle]

I don't want to seem to persuade, thats not my place, but the one I look to is Jesus...God must draw those who come to Jesus...Why not draw everyone? If God so loved the world? My answer, some are destined for the kingdom...I can't escape this fact, its the same as God creating evil...Now what happens to all those who are not destined to salvation, when hell is destroyed? We are eternal right, what happens to those spirits?

So many unanswered questions and most people get there answers from the book, instead of Jesus who lives on the inside, the throne of our heart (the kingdom).

They only have a relationship with the written text, the book.

Blessings to you...

I understand your question. I have asked in the past what about those people that do not know. There is scripture to help.

Romans 1:17-20 KJV
(17) For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
(18) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
(19) Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
(20) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

These verse are a hard pill to swallow. Yet at the same time I am reminded that I also responsible for what I know and learn in one since. See if I tell the truth it is your responsibility to decide for yourself if I speak the truth. Now if you are raised in a certain religion it makes it even harder for people to understand sometimes. We must remember if one worships the one true God he also worships Jesus and vs versa.

John 14:6-7 KJV
(6) Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
(7) If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

So essentially if you worship the creator you worship Christ. Now you only might know about God the creator. That is okay. But God is also Savior through His Son Jesus.

Now I am going to help you out a little with this. If you read Romans 9-11 it will help, remember to ask question if you need help. I will be glad to help you understand if you want. Or at least what I believe.

turtle

[rodney_mccarthy]

In Romans Paul raises an issue, the Jews don't contest it, they agree, look at their response. What if all are saved? Is it possible? I think not, according to the scriptures, anyway Hell isn't eternal? Now what?... God knows..

See Pauls statement and the Jews response below:

Romans 9:10-20...especially the response of verse 19 "for who can resist HIS will"

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

I understand your question. I have asked in the past what about those people that do not know. There is scripture to help.

Romans 1:17-20 KJV
(17) For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
(18) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
(19) Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
(20) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

These verse are a hard pill to swallow. Yet at the same time I am reminded that I also responsible for what I know and learn in one since. See if I tell the truth it is your responsibility to decide for yourself if I speak the truth. Now if you are raised in a certain religion it makes it even harder for people to understand sometimes. We must remember if one worships the one true God he also worships Jesus and vs versa.

John 14:6-7 KJV
(6) Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
(7) If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

So essentially if you worship the creator you worship Christ. Now you only might know about God the creator. That is okay. But God is also Savior through His Son Jesus.

Now I am going to help you out a little with this. If you read Romans 9-11 it will help, remember to ask question if you need help. I will be glad to help you understand if you want. Or at least what I believe.

turtle

The devil followed your plan. Is he saved?

[turtle]

The devil followed your plan. Is he saved?

ATAM you do not follow anything. Now the way it works is this if you love me you keep my commandments the Bible also says. The last time I check the devil conspired against God and did mighty evil deeds. How about looking for some verses. John has a lot of good verse especially in John 15 toward the middle about keeping God's commandments. Yet we all fail and all fall short of the glory of God. Are you perfect ATAM are you sinless do you believe in God???

[turtle]

In Romans Paul raises an issue, the Jews don't contest it, they agree, look at their response. What if all are saved? Is it possible? I think not, according to the scriptures, anyway Hell isn't eternal? Now what?... God knows..

See Pauls statement and the Jews response below:

Romans 9:10-20...especially the response of verse 19 "for who can resist HIS will"

Read chapter 20 and 21 of Revelation look what happens to hell and the eternal fire. It is real. Very real my friend.

Paul actually is writting a letter with thought provoking question to Roman people. Now

Romans 9:10-20 KJV
(10) And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
(11) (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
(12) It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
(13) As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
(14) What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
(15) For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
(16) So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
(17) For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
(18) Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
(19) Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
(20) Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

Okay in certain instance God has harden or open man's heart for his purpose. So remember if God can harden or open a heart of man the one must take in account that God is not going to judge him the same way because of the purpose or intent of what God using a person for. Now realize the word use is not like a unvoluntary thing. First of all people make a choice. God takes that person's choice at the time of event and uses it for his glory. Pharoah seeing all the miracles did not believe. Yet guess what he believed but God harden his heart. So did God judge his heart for when he believed or did he judge him according to his harden heart. I think God may of shown mercy to Pharaoh, because of circumstances. God wants to use his will to perform a task. Story of pharoah is found in Exodus starting around chapter 4.

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

ATAM you do not follow anything. Now the way it works is this if you love me you keep my commandments the Bible also says. The last time I check the devil conspired against God and did mighty evil deeds. How about looking for some verses. John has a lot of good verse especially in John 15 toward the middle about keeping God's commandments. Yet we all fail and all fall short of the glory of God. Are you perfect ATAM are you sinless do you believe in God???

Let's see . . . Job was.

[truth_child]

if one beleivves ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST they are saved if they do not they are lost if a person come to the knowledge to reject or accept CHRIST then they have the opurtunity to go to heaven

[turtle]

Let's see . . . Job was.

TATM you are getting smarter as you age. see Job was righteous. Righteous meaning a man of faith. Did you know Job still did sacrifices for sin. Read chapters 1 and two I think it is. I have to look.

[truth_child]

turtle true tatm doesnt follow anything except the foolish talking that he does about pentecost. of which our LORD JESUS spake concerning THE HOLY GHOST

[turtle]

turtle true tatm doesnt follow anything except the foolish talking that he does about pentecost. of which our LORD JESUS spake concerning THE HOLY GHOST

Arron, I know the basics. I am not new to these boards, but thank you for the information. I do appreciate it. Now if I was in the dark, that is where I need some light.

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

TATM you are getting smarter as you age. see Job was righteous. Righteous meaning a man of faith. Did you know Job still did sacrifices for sin. Read chapters 1 and two I think it is. I have to look.

OH! my dear Rev. Ms. Turtle, you are sooo smart. Did you know Jesus paid a ransom for his soul?

[turtle]

OH! my dear Rev. Ms. Turtle, you are sooo smart. Did you know Jesus paid a ransom for his soul?

Paid a ransom for our soul. But you have to accept his gift.

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

My dear Rev. Ms. Turtle, study to show thyself approved. As I said Jesus paid a ranson for his soul.

[truth_child]

tatm where does it say that JESUS paid a ransom for HIS SOUL?