Smyrna’s Complaint Thread

[shadowcat]

Shadowcat, I understand where your husband gets his immature hate-filled antagonistic “in your face” toxic attitude, listening to death/thrash metal music. Children of Bodom’s lyrics are filled with childish warnings and threats, “Say one more word, I double dare you, bring it on. It’s my world, you’re in it, it’ll take you down in a minute,” and then talks about “bitchslapping in the face,” “**** you,” and repeatedly screaming out “I don’t give a flying **** mother****er.”

Nice. The other “song,” “Hate Crew Deathroll,” is equally as toxic and juvenile, screaming out about not giving a ****, warnings of stepping back, you ain’t one of us, you’re ugly, you stupid ****! It goes on about not caring, about resentment. “We are hate crew, we stand and we won’t fall. **** you!”

Damn! Is this the crap that you guys let into your mind, and quote on internet forums? Wouldn’t want to be your neighbors.

Dodge, I guess you really do not understand black or dark humor, gallows humor? How about satire? It's been around for ages in the literature world. "The Satires" by Decimus Iunius Iuvenalis, or Juvenal in English, comes to my mind (pun intended). Then of course Socrates was executed for corrupting the youth of Greece and pulling them away from religion. Not too mention the black humor in English literature, Jonathan Swift is of course where it all started and he is one of my favorite, I loved "A Modest Proposal". Then there are the plethora of books that were at one time banned for their strong language and/or violence - "The Catcher in the Rye", "Of Mice and Men", "Lord of the Flies", "American Psycho" just to name a few.

Freud described humor as a comedic act that anesthetizes an emotion, thus all humor is "black humor", and that there is no such thing as "non-black humor".

Oh well I guess that type of humor is not allowed here.

Oh and one more thing, nope I wouldn't want to be your neighbor either it would be beyond boring indeed.

[dodge]

Shadowcat -- Are you actually comparing Sammael’s crude, vulgar, offensive language (which he was admittedly using so he would be banned) to classic works of satire and modern literature? I understand how you would want to defend your husband, but that’s simply absurd.

[smyrna]

Hi Smyrna. You said that since you believe what you said about Stage Director, it isn’t ad hominem. You know better than that. To call someone an idiot, a moron, a whack job, and a victim of a genetic mistake goes way beyond personal opinion and becomes the very definition of abusive ad hominem, which is against the rules as outlined in the user agreement. Your defense of your right to engage in insulting rhetoric only damages your own credibility

Nobody is, as you put it, breathing down your neck and scrutinizing every word you write with “fingers itching to ban you.” As long as you behave yourself and avoid violating our discussion board standards, you are free to write anything you want. If you can’t help yourself from personally attacking and abusively insulting others while engaged in debate, that’s your problem; and one that you should seriously consider working on.

Dodge you are a study in hypocrisy. You tailor your interpretations of the rules here to aggressively go after those you disagree with, while softening them to allow your own attacks against others to go unpunished, and that goes for those who you approve of when they attack those who you do not approve of.

That is the core of your conflict of interest. All your insults are "opinions" while others who express their opinions are flaming and insulting, and using abusive ad hominem. Your snide, condescending attitude towards others is just as offensive to me as your smarmy revulsion to Sammael's use of street language, at least he doesn't pretend to be someone else.

The rules of this forum are what is being abused, and that is the problem with giving someone authority over those he has admitted he sees as gullible and easily manipulated by the superior intellect he perceives himself to be.

In your world, "behaving yourself" is following your own whimsical interpretations of forum rules as you apply them to others, while hypocritically violating them by insulting others and attempt to incite them into defending themselves, at which time you render your gavel and sentence them in a game you relish, because you thus always can win and end whenever you wish.

The problem with that thinking is no one is bound here and that is your one unsolvable problem, and the one thing that truly puts you, and not anyone else, in a position to fail. With no subjects, a king is nobody, powerless, and worthless.

You are still making me the issue,(ad hominem) when in reality, it's this conflict of interest which was created by allowing you any position of authority here. It has made a bad situation worse, since at least when the boards where essentially unmoderated, the rules being ignored by absentee moderators and thus by participants alike, it made for a level playing field no matter who one decided to side with.

If you think you are enforcing rules here you are sorely mistaken. You manipulate them, so when it comes to credibility, I don't think you should be casting any stones.

You speak of SC folks and detractors and their endless stalemate. Well, you are trying to do that with me, and it ain't going to fly. If you believe that an atheist board troll being appointed moderator over the very same Christian oriented board you choose to participate in is a wise choice, even when the one who appointed you once admitted it was a mistake,(or lied when claiming he actually thought it was a mistake) then I cannot see carrying on any further debate over it.

Those are the facts, and it would be foolish for you to try and spin them or marginalize them, especially since you yourself said that someone is "being vetted" to take your place. I am curious as to what the spin is behind that, as since there is nothing wrong with this situation according to you, then why is there any talk of you being replaced?

I'm through, you can change the name of this thread back to what it was before you changed it to taunt me. Moderator? Yeah, right. That right there shows you're
nothing close to a "moderator". You are and will remain a troll.

[dodge]

That’s fine, Smyrna. You object to a moderator applying the rules outlined in FACTnet’s user agreement; and obviously refuse to engage in topical debates without the freedom to insult others while doing it. This is your choice and I respect that. You say that you're through, again; so goodbye, again. I wish you well in whatever it is you do. Peace, love, health and abundance from the source of all there is.

[oneway]

It isn't ad hominem? Then do you mind if I ask exactly what you based this belief on?

SD, I think I found the post in question. If so, then this would be it in context, context being the keyword..

Stage Director is nothing more than another whacko extremist detractor, and she is so into the mold of people like Frankie and Godchild, I really wonder, it's just natural,if Frankie, Godchild and Stage Director are the victims of the same genetic mistake.

[shadowcat]

Shadowcat -- Are you actually comparing Sammael’s crude, vulgar, offensive language (which he was admittedly using so he would be banned) to classic works of satire and modern literature? I understand how you would want to defend your husband, but that’s simply absurd.

No I am comparing modern music that has completely over the top dark humor in the lyrics to satire and literature that was written in much the same way. I was referring to the lyrics that sam posted, that is what we were discussing was it not? When you said: "Shadowcat, I understand where your husband gets his immature hate-filled antagonistic “in your face” toxic attitude, listening to death/thrash metal music. Children of Bodom’s lyrics are filled with childish warnings and threats.....Damn! Is this the crap that you guys let into your mind, and quote on internet forums? Wouldn’t want to be your neighbors."

Dodge are you having some difficulty following the structure of the conversation?

[dodge]

Shadowcat, the issue was Sammael’s use of crude, vulgar, and offensive language. The fact that he sprinkled his posts with bits of verse from thrash/death metal bands (unattributed) that was equally abusive has no bearing. Turning this into a comparison to the “Satires” of Juvenal, the works of Socrates, Jonathan Swift, J.D. Salinger, John Steinbeck, and William Golding is beyond bizarre.

No need to get nasty, suggesting that I’m “having some difficulty following the structure of the conversation.” But, I understand your debate tactics; so I don’t take offense.

[shadowcat]

It's not a debate tactic. I was responding to your post about Children of Bodom. If you can't understand the answer then I don't know what to tell you. There is no debate here. Satire and dark humor is what it is. If you'd like to run a search for children of Bodom and dark/black humor you will understand maybe.

[shadowcat]

Something you didn't have a bit of problem with until you changed your mind about SC.

That's not true. I didn't think it was the right thing to do then nor do I now. You can ask sam, we both thought it was odd and not in character with the standards that you hold others to. An example just recently, meaning a few months ago, on cbrc when we argued with franklin and I brought up some old posts of Rachel England's when she was coming to the realization that franklin is way over the top about SC and the students by calling them racists and nazis. You seemed to have an issue with that. You stated it was something that happened between them (even though those posts were right there on cbrc) and it should remain private etc.. and so on. Yet you have threads dedicated to what other's are doing on the net and dedicated to smyrna and your hatred for him.

[dodge]

Shadowcat -- It may be “dark humor” to you; but the lyrics to “In Your Face” by Children of Bodom represent the sort of language that is against FACTnet’s user agreement rules, “language that is inconsistent with our community standards (profanity).” It’s as simple as that. Is that too difficult to understand?

[jeff_franklin]

For someone who is not supposed to be one of the Shepherd Chapel "students", not supposed to be a follower of Arnold Murray or any of the other Christian Identity hate Cults (Ku Klux Klan, Aryan Nations etc.) but has spent the last decade defending Arnold Murray and his racist teachings is just beyond any credibility!

And for the record the other person you referred to clearly saw that Arnold Murray is a racist!

"Arnold Murray is a deceiver and his followers are truly tortured souls! Anyone I have discussed this group with not only is taken a back at first with laughter over their ideas but they see the racism in it immediately!"

"No one is the spawn of satan..that is a thought that spawns from the minds of careless and evil men..those thoughts make this group- a hate group."

There are tons of more quotes. So your spin job of someone changing their mind about Murray (including yours) doesn't fly with the facts. Leave other people that don't post here out of your constant defense of Murray and the mythical serpent seed garbage of (NON Christian) Identity Cults.

If you are going to continue to defend the indefensible hatred Arnold Murray has for all non Germanic Gaelics then stick to the issues and not the personalities of those who oppose Arnold Murray.

Just shows your desperation because of your lack of scriptural or scientific evidence to defend Arnold Murray's racist heresy!

You could discuss the issues here without getting megamecnasty about it if you try. For once give it a try!

[stage director]

Yet you have threads dedicated to what other's are doing on the net and dedicated to smyrna and your hatred for him.

In the first place, I don't hate Smyrna. Nor do I want to see him "get his" or "rot in hell" or whatever. Don't confuse me not taking his crapola, or expecting someone who calls themselves a Christian to abide by certain standards, with me hating them. Maybe you can't understand this, but my hope and prayer for Smyrna is that God finds him worthy in the end.

Secondly, he got his own thread when he hacked my forum member on my forum. Those archives you wanted to see hold the posts in which he posted using Eddie's account. He also impersonated other members. Anybody else who hacked a member would get the same response. If I went over to Figtree and phished one of the members so I could post using their acct, and the end result is that I star in my own thread.. that would be nobody's fault but my own.

[friend]

I don't like this Children of Bodom band and find them hateful. Just my two cents.

[dodge]

I agree, Friend. Their lyrics are obscene and childish, designed to rattle cages and yank chains. It points to an immature reaction to parental/authority figures.

[shadowcat]

Actually I'm willing to bet it was geared more toward the record executives that like to try and run the show and rip bands off every which way possible and all the other red tape type situations that these bands have to deal with just to break even. This isn't the instant success pop diva here, this is a much harder and more technical form of music. Not too mention Alexi Laiho who trained in violin at the early age of 5 years old and is self taught on guitar, he is in the top 50 of the fastest guitarists on the planet, has been voted the #1 heavy metal guitarist by fans, and is listed in the top 50 and top 100 in the metal genre, not just death/thrash, as a frontman and guitarist by various other sources. He can wipe the floor with the best of the best here in the US. He is one of the best guitarists out there at the moment. These guys work hard there is no doubt about that, just to get screwed over time and time again by the record companies.

[shadowcat]

Maybe this is more to your liking friend. Alexi's guitar cover of Vivaldi's Four Seasons Summer Theme. Awesome stuff!

[shadowcat]

Or maybe some Bach exercises?

[dodge]

Yea, that guy knows the guitar keyboard. I’ve been playing since 1962, and know a few things myself; but guitar skills are not the issue here, Shadowcat. It’s the lyrics that Sammael posted that are. By becoming a member of this forum “you explicitly agree you shall not use language that is inconsistent with our community standards. Do not swear or use profanity.”

Don't you agree? If you ran a public internet forum, would you allow such vulgar and offensive language?

[shadowcat]

Dodge, I have a public forum. It wasn't used long, it was never intended to be, but I have the profanity filter set to "off" and here are the rules that I made



We are all adults lets try to act like it!

Don't post obscene pics.

No spam.

Don't harrass others because of their beliefs and opinions.


I could care less what curse words anyone uses, as long as there are no children/minors on the forum I do not care. These are just words, medicinal to some for venting or letting out some steam. As pertaining to insulting others cursing, again they are just words. Sticks and stones ya know.

Why do you keep dwelling on sam? In reality my last few posts were in reference to what friend said about the band COB and had nothing to do with sam or his being banned. Why do you dwell on this so much? Do you think I am upset that he got banned or something? Sam did what he did on purpose, as I said he was fed up with the hypocrisy and the bias on fn. He knew his behavior would get him banned, duh!

Since when did you become an advocate of no cursing? Aren't you the one that posted a video called **** Christmas.

Shadowcat -- I deleted that video that Dodge posted last Christmas due to the inappropriate language; but all I’m going to do with your post here is delete the offensive word and ask that you refrain from such language in the future. (Your friendly neighborhood moderator)

[shadowcat]

Whatever you feel you need to do josh. I was only repeating something that someone else posted.