What do you believe?

[jefffranklin]

So Dodge, we get it that you detest Christianity with all of your continual insults and barbs. No one is surprised in that. By bashing Christianity and any belief in a God you are evangelizing your own beliefs which I suspect is satanism. Am I correct? All of this talk you do about embracing one's evil and dark side within us is a doctrine of LaVeyan Satanism. Modern day satanism does not beleve in a God or Satan and is very denigrating to those who do. You have never come out and told anyone here what YOU believe, only in vague fuzzy wuzzy terms. I know "satanism" has very negative conotations but is that YOUR belief? If not how would you describe your beliefs and label them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaVeyan_Satanism

[ADMIN]

New thread to question the beliefs of others.

[the_apostolic_truth_ministries]

I do not recommend the use of a write-your-own encylcopedia (wikipedia) as a reference source.

[truth_child]

franklin just us GODS WORD THE BIBLE kjv

[trainedobserver]

I think that some people's view of reality is cartoonish at best. The make-believe world that is composed of "LIBERALS" who fight the "CONSERVATIVES" in a never-ending war composed of caricatures of communists, atheists, religionists, democrats, republicans, and all the rest is just so much delusion. In reality the lines of demarcation aren't so readily apparent and nothing is so cut and dried as some want to pretend and other would have us believe.

[fatherofaking]

I believe the world is coming to an end.
My parents believed it.
Their parents believed it.
As far back as i can remember, they all believed it.
It came true for every one of them, their world ended one day, just like that!
They never saw it coming.
I heard it happens to every body.
But i don't believe it.

[jefffranklin]

I agree with you t.o. Nothing is cut and dry in those terms.

foak: I don't believe the world is coming to an end. See no evidence of such.

I sleep good at night not worrying about such crap.

Now maybe dodge will come around and answer my question in more specific terms. I am curious as to what his belief system is.

[easeltine]

Franklin,

So, you admit that you have problems believing in Global Warming, that the Ice Caps will melt, and that we will be reduced to creatures bartering dirt instead of oil like movie Waterworld?

You Conservative you.

[fatherofaking]

FIRE AND ICE
Some say the world will end in fire,
Some say in ice.
From what I've tasted of desire
I hold with those who favour fire.
But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To say that for destruction ice
Is also great
And would suffice.

Robert Frost

[dodge]

Hi Franklin. No, I’m not a Satanist. One thing that confuses me is your statement, “Modern day Satanism does not believe in a God or Satan…” If one doesn’t believe in Satan, how can they be a Satanist? That doesn’t make much sense to me. I believe that Satan is a mythical creature that was invented by Christians. Satan never really had any existence in the Torah, other than being an adversary, a member of God’s council, sort of like a prosecuting attorney looking for faults in people; but he never had any power other than what God gave him. In terms of mythology, I believe that Satan is Christ’s shadow, his dark side. I believe that each of us has a dark side, that we don’t recognize as belonging to us; and we tend to project that onto others. What we can’t admit in ourselves we accuse others of being. Watch who you point your finger at, accuse, demonize, hate, have animosity towards…this is your unacknowledged, unconscious dark side that you fail to recognize as belonging to you. The process of becoming whole includes a withdrawal of these projections, an integration of your shadow into your totality. When you no longer need to project that which you cannot admit in yourself, then you will be healed, whole, and without a shadow. Without a shadow, we will have no enemies and no animosity towards anyone. This is the key to individual and world peace.

All of this is from Carl Jung, and his process of individuation. It is not Satanic, as you believe; but I can understand how you would see it that way. I have not yet achieved this kind of wholeness, I have animosity and point my finger at people, project my shadow on a daily basis and come here with my opinions just like everyone else. I’m human. But I’m working on myself, using Jungian individuation techniques along with other systems developed by other teachers. I am a student of the art of presence, living in the moment, as taught by Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh and spiritual teacher Eckhart Tolle; and practice the art of intention as taught by several masters that I work with. Other than the simple teachings of Jesus, who taught us to offer no resistance to evil, to love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, to love your neighbor as you love yourself, to feed the hungry, cloth the naked, to visit the sick and imprisoned, to have compassion for all of our brothers and sisters…I have no use for the Bible.

You and I, Franklin, we are brothers here on this planet, doing the best we can with what we have. On these threads in this internet forum I’m just another guy with opinions. It means nothing in the scheme of things. We are all following our dharma, that which we think is right for us individually. What’s right for me is not right for you, everyone to their path. I will continue to voice my point of view, as you will yours. Why? I don’t know, perhaps it’s cathartic in some mysterious way. Maybe I have too much time on my hands. Whatever.

[truth_child]

i beleive that THE FATHER AND THE SON AND THE HOLY GHOST ARE AND HAVE BEEN FROM THE BEGINNING AND WILL ALWAYS BE AND THAT JESUS WILL RETURN ONE DAY FOR HIS CHURCH THE SAVED BORN AGAIN PEOPLE

[trainedobserver]

I believe the world is coming to an end.
My parents believed it.
Their parents believed it.
As far back as i can remember, they all believed it.
It came true for every one of them, their world ended one day, just like that!
They never saw it coming.
I heard it happens to every body.
But i don't believe it.

Oh, that is funny!

[trainedobserver]

foak: I don't believe the world is coming to an end. See no evidence of such.

He was talking about the individual's world ending in their deaths, not the literal world ending. You missed the humor of the whole thing.

[trainedobserver]

i beleive that THE FATHER AND THE SON AND THE HOLY GHOST ARE AND HAVE BEEN FROM THE BEGINNING AND WILL ALWAYS BE AND THAT JESUS WILL RETURN ONE DAY FOR HIS CHURCH THE SAVED BORN AGAIN PEOPLE

Paradoxical Monotheism with multiple gods! Can you say cognitive dissidence? How about intellectual dishonesty? God's impregnating a human so they can sacrifice their offspring in a substitutionary death for the perceived transgressions against themselves by their own creations. Later after countless human suffering and death has transpired, the reanimated corpse (complete with unhealed wounds) of the offspring who is also part of the multiple person "monotheistic" god-head, returns to gather up all those up will simply believe what they are told about the substitutionary death happening and place their faith in the person who is said to have performed it. If you don't believe the story as its told you are thrown into a place of torments or at worst pitched into the outer darkness because you would dare balk at the idea of it being anything but "a story." Maybe that would have made more sense if I typed it in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS!

[bluewater2]

It seemed to me that Franklin was on the edge of his seat waiting for Dodge to explain his views to him. Now that Dodge has done so, where is Franklin's commentary on that?

[jargon631]

this is the way the world ends,
this is the way the world ends,
this is the way the world ends,
not with a bang but a whimper

t.s.elliot

[truth_child]

t.o. no i bleieve IN ONE GOD EXSISTING IN THREE PERSONS GOD THE FATHER AND GOD THE SON AND GOD THE HOLY GHOST.. THESE THREE ARE ONE

[trainedobserver]

t.o. no i bleieve IN ONE GOD EXSISTING IN THREE PERSONS GOD THE FATHER AND GOD THE SON AND GOD THE HOLY GHOST.. THESE THREE ARE ONE

Just what I said, paradoxical multi-god monotheism. A single god made up of three persons.

[jefffranklin]

It seemed to me that Franklin was on the edge of his seat waiting for Dodge to explain his views to him. Now that Dodge has done so, where is Franklin's commentary on that?

There is no need to respond to dodge's post. I gave dodge a simple choice of conduct. He decided to remain the same flaming, trolling antiChristian offender he's always been, oblivious to what the majority of posters on this forum are here for. To promote cult awareness. dodge's motivations for being here are strictly selfish. To convert everyone else to be dodge clones or to continue to be offended by him. I think the readers of factnet are intelligent enough to see that.

[bluewater2]

I think that Dodge gave a very candid and open answer to your request to have him explain what he believes. You can disagree, but you should at least do so in the spirit of his honest and respectful response. Ignoring his answer to your question is not very polite.