Obama vs. Mc

[bluewater2]

It seems easy to dig up "dirt" on any candidate today. A sad state of affairs, indeed. I think it is very important for people to understand the connection between 8 year old Obama and Ayers, don't you?

Generally speaking, as much as I think that McCain is a decent American, he appears to me to be a much better follower, "soldier", than a leader. There is no way he would have picked Palin unless it was sold to him as the best marketing move they could come up with. It seems to me that she appears weaker and weaker everytime she makes a public appearance. Obviously, without going into details as to the supporting evidence that this is the case, I think 8 years of having a President that cannot speak publicly and is the laughing stock of the educated world is enough. McCain appears to be a bumbling old man and Palin is a folksy soccer mom who knows how to wrinkle her nose at exactly the right time, blow her bangs out of her eyes and wink. How endearing. I just cannot imagine someone like her out there doing the Vice Presidents work.

Obama and Biden, although with faults of their own, seem much more able to present to the world, for the first time in 8 years, an intelligent and pragmatic leadership. I think the ability to speak, get a message across is one of the most important tools that a President should make use of. It has been 8 years since we have had that and I do not think we can stand another 8.

I admire and thank McCain for his past military experience, but that alone does not mean that he will make a good President. A good VP maybe, by not a leader by any means.

Palin, as I see he as she appears on the debates, is clueless. She even had the arrogance to state something to the effect of, "I will not answer the questions as they are put to me", and people put up with that. What a turn off.

Oh well. What is truly sad, people might just be taken in again. People get what they deserve.

Anyone ever wonder why we are not allowed to vote on weekends? Most of the civilized countries of the world do.

[stage director]

Anyone ever wonder why we are not allowed to vote on weekends?

I imagine it has something to do with the availability of poll workers and civil servants. Until the past few decades most of America except for retail, hospitality, farming and necessary public services was pretty much shut down over the weekends. The rules were probably made many years ago.

[bluewater2]

"In 1845, before Florida, California, and Texas were states or slavery had been abolished, Congress needed to pick a time for Americans to vote. We were an agrarian society. We traveled by horse and buggy. Farmers needed a day to get to the county seat, a day to vote, and a day to get back, without interfering with the three days of worship. So that left Tuesday and Wednesday, but Wednesday was market day. So, Tuesday it was. In 1875 Congress extended the Tuesday date for national House elections and in 1914 for federal Senate elections.

Today, we are an urban society, and we all know how hard it is to commute to our jobs, take care of the children, and get our work done, let alone stand on lines to vote. Indeed, Census data over the last decade clearly indicates that the inconvenience of voting is the primary reason Americans are not participating in our elections."

It only makes sense to move the voting day to both weekend days. Why would anyone not want everyone to vote? Why not make voting more accessible to everyone? Hmmmmmm.

[easeltine]

Clueless = 700 Billion Dollar Bailout + Iraqi War = 10 Billion Dollars per month for at least the next 18 month + 890 Billion Dollars in Social Spending soaking Taxpayers to get it

That's Clueless!

[orthodox]

Not being allowed to vote on a weekend is of little concern to me. Not being allowed to hear other candidates take part in this duocracy of corporate toadies is.
Ralph Nader is on the ballet in 45 states and 5 state parties played games to keep him off. He looks like 6% this time without one major station covering his campaign once or allowing him to debate. What are they afraid of?
This country used to keep people from voting because of colour, gender or income. Now 6 out of 100 americans are being kept out because of independant thinking beyond the sound bites.

[fatherofaking]

i don't think there will be an election.

[stage director]

i don't think there will be an election.

Care to elaborate?

[fatherofaking]

Care to elaborate?

http://www.factnet.org/vbforum/showthread.php?t=12555

[fatherofaking]

http://www.factnet.org/vbforum/showthread.php?t=12555

Is that not enough information for you SD?

[bluewater2]

Such a sad display to see a dedicated soldier like McCain appear so unsure of himself, mumbling and bumbling through his lines. We do not need another spokesperson for the US who cannot even string a sentence together. All one has to do is see what the presidency has done to the aging of Bush to know that the presidency will kill McCain. Then what do we end up with, Palin? OMG. Now that is scary.

[searchlight86]

Here's a snapshot of who stands where on many of the issues:
http://wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=5386

Sadly, the majority of Americans today have demonstrated they care about money above everything, as the saying goes "America votes its pocketbook". However, the vast majority of Americans still classify themselves as Bible-believing Christians, although the Bible declares "For the love of money is the root of all evil" (I Tim. 6:10a), and Christ said "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon" (Matt. 6:24, Luke 16:13).

When those in power are not accountable to any standard, ‘might’ becomes ‘right’, as in the case of the innocent unborn. In so-called ‘Democratic’ countries or not, tens of millions of innocents have been tortured and killed by being sliced apart or chemically burned/poisoned in their mother’s womb with no escape, justified by the evolutionary, godless lie that they are not human until they physically emerge from the mother. From God’s perspective, all nations are guilty, drowning under this raging torrent of innocent blood. Even though it is medically and genetically indefensible, the world increasingly practices mass murder today, and it is a direct result of rejecting God’s truth in favor of the cult of evolution.

Political parties and money aside, quite a few years ago I made up my mind I was never going to vote for anyone again who approves of torturing and murduring defenseless infants, including the hideous practice of partial-birth abortion, and thereby not share responsibility for this ongoing mass genocide. If all candidates support this practice, I vote for none of them. For me, and I hope for all people who consider themselves Christians at least, this life and death issue is the most important, not money.

[orthodox]

In the last 20 years, 129 bombings have been directed at american citizens, the Olympics, a gay bar and a federal building.American lives were lost ( including children), people maimed.
And who were these terrorists? Were they evil moslems with Hussein as a middle name?

No, they were ALL white american males, including Timothey McViegh and Eric Rudolph. The targets were family family clinics, the McMurray building in Oklahoma and the Altlanta Olympics.

They were all----Christians who voted republican.

[jefffranklin]

uh..... you conveniently left out Theodore Kaczynski, you know like in the "unabomber". LEFTIST MURDERER!

uh, oh yeah, WILLIAM AYERS, Obama's friend and LEFTIST MURDERER! After the 9/11 terrorist attack where thousands were murdered he said "I don't regret setting bombs" and "I feel we didn't do enough".

And William Ayers wife and another Obama supporter.. Bernadette Dohrn, another LEFTIST MURDERER!

GIVE IT UP! Your latest attempt to smear McCain won't wash! Obama and his murderer leftist friends are damn dangerous!

[orthodox]

And how do you feel about Cindy McCain's 100 million with an M dollars being deposited in a offshore, Caymen islands bank so it can't be taxed?

That isn't economic terrorism and cowardise while millions of americans finance a 100 years war while our infrasturcture is falling apart?

McCain voting against a new G.I. bill is the act of a good shipmate?

McCain shacking up with Cindy for 4 months until he filed for divorce from the loyal wife who waited for him, kept a horrific accident secret so as not to add to his prison worries? Nancy and Ronnie were SO unfair ostracising him after that, don't you agree?

I just love Family Values, don't you?

[searchlight86]

No one is 'clean', but it is interesting how the conversation quickly turned back to money instead of torture and slaughter on a mass scale, isn't it?

Some issues should not be compromised, for any party, at any cost.

[jefffranklin]

Where is your reliable source on Cindy McCain's money? Rolling Stone?

How many demonrats do what you accuse her of? Fact is taxes are too damn high in this country. No one should be forced to do that. That money could, should and would be invested in creating jobs if the federal taxes weren't so repressive. One thing people like to do with their money is make more. Investing in businesses, job creation, should be the best return on the dollar. But not under this present heavy taxation system. What the demonrats have done to the taxation system in this country IS economic terrorism.

Your infrastructure is falling apart not because the people are not being taxed enough, it's because of the corruption and inefficiency of the bureaucrats collecting the tax dollars. New Orleans flood levees are example enough.

But here's some more. Barack Obama brought home the pork to Chi town with $1.8 million in five earmarks for Chicago's Shedd Aquarium, which ran $8 million in the black last year.

Obama has requested $1-million in pork barrel spending for every working day he has been in the Senate. $932-million dollars in earmarks. (pork ~ oink, oink!) None of that going to the "infrastructure". Just payoffs to Chicago cronies. Like the hospital his wife worked at which just coincidentally gave her a promotion and huge raise in salary after receiving ONE MILLION federal tax dollars for a new pavilion! Hmmm? Any wonder you have fears of the infrastructure crumbling with all this corruption going on with federal dollars?

I agree with McCain's vote against the recent GI Bill bill. A soldier should have to serve more than just 4 years to receive full benefits like college tuition. Should be the way it is now. An incentive to reup and serve longer!

America will have military bases in Iraq a hundred years from now like we have had bases in Korea and Japan for the last 60 some years. What's wrong with that? Makes perfect sense.

McCain's exwife and kids with her have no problem with McCain. Why do you? What? Christians are not allowed to have divorces? Are unforgiven for marital transgressions? What religion did you say you were? McCain's exwife and kids are voting for John McCain. Why aren't you?

You're right searchlight. These obamamites run from the subject of Obama's vote against protecting the right to life of infants surviving botched abortions. His vote to deny these babies life sustaining medical attention is the same as pitching them in a garbage can to die. Has society become so cruel, human life so devalued that we have devolved to this? God, I hope not!

[orthodox]

'He who laughs last, laughs best.' Once again, if you can stop your political hyperventilating, I AM NOT A DEMOCRAT. I AM NOT VOTING FOR OBAMA. I am also not voting for McCain.

Look at the polls amigos. We are going to get the evil of two lessors in an Obama presidency.
McCain's bid for the presidency, the final chance to outdo his 4 star daddy and grandddaddy is going down just like the 3 navy and one civilian planes he crashed. Hey! that makes hm an ACE, or ass.

Talk to you guys in November.

[jefffranklin]

I know, I know you are voting for Nader. That still makes you a leftist. Please do vote for Nader. That gives my vote for McCain twice the effect.

Here's something about these funny polls. The American people don't flip flop in 4 short years. The liberal media and pollsters are going all out this time.




Clinton supporters sharing evidence for RICO case against Obama campaign.

http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/1...-against-obama



Republicans and centrist Democrats are joined together on this effort to get the truth out about Obama before the November election. We firmly believe in McCain’s victory and do not believe it hinges on any developments with RICO.

The polls, in our opinon, are wrong, and the internal numbers we see coming out of NC, VA, PA, OH, IN and FL show McCain wins in all of those states (there is no mathematical possibility for Obama to win without taking PA, OH, or FL).

We believe after McCain’s win there will be a continued prosecution of Obama and members of the Democratic party for voter fraud under RICO statutes in the months and years ahead. ACORN and leftist Democrats have gone too far this time — for years ACORN has engineered deliberate election fraud using taxpayer dollars funneled to it by Democrats.

This time, with both Democrats and Republicans joined against them, ACORN Is going down…and we believe it will ultimately take Obama, Axelrod, and most of today’s Democratic leadership down with it. [/font]

There IS a RICO investigation of ACORN and the Obama campaign underway - this has now been established by the mainstream media. Right now it’s rumored here in Chicago that Patrick Fitzgerald is heading it (confirmation on that has not come yet).

There is a lot of activity in Chicago right now, with a lot of IRS agents looking into the finances coming in and out of this city, and across state lines (this was established on Monday when the GOP issued emergency press releases that much of Obama’s campaign contributions could very well be illegal foreign contributions - what appears to be deliberately poor record keeping designed to hide the true identities and monetary sources of online donors is at issue here).

We see in 15 states now that ACORN is being busted for attempted voter fraud, and for fraudulent, illegal voter registratons in the hundreds of thousands, if not a million. The article below states, and we have confirmed this with people who know for sure, that the people who gathered evidence of Obama’s fraud and voter intimidation techniques during the primaries against Hillary Clinton are sharing everything they have with the Republican Party and the federal government.

What’s happening here is something we have never seen before: centrist Clinton Democrats and Republicans are working together to expose the DNC and Obama campaign’s illegal activities and orchestrated, coordinated fraud.

Both parties are working with federal agents to investigate ACORN, which has been funded with upwards of $800,000 in questionable donations from the Obama campaign (in what appears to be the expressed and explicit direction to engineer voter fraud in the general election). The tactics being employed now in the 15 states currently under investigation are the VERY SAME TACTICS we saw on the ground in Iowa, Texas, Colorado, Nebraska, Indiana, and other states working for Hillary Clinton in the primaries.

And all of this ties back to Chicago.

Where the Obama campaign and DNC are now based.

“Why didn’t the federal government get involved in the primaries?”, some people ask in comments. Well, we aren’t lawyers, but someone told us yesterday that the primaries are party affairs and are not governed by federal election laws.

We’re sure a legal scholar will comment on this and set us straight. The parties set the rules for their primaries…but the general election IS governed by federal election law. This is why Florida and Michigan were allowed to be such a mess for Democrats, and why Donna Brazile and Howard Dean got away with taking delegates away from Hillary Clinton and giving them, unearned, to Obama for Michigan: no federal agency had any ability to step in and ensure a fair resolution of the Michigan and Florida votes.

This was 100% in the hands of the Democratic party, which intended to award Obama its nomination since 2004. The party never intended to allow Hillary Clinton to win this thing — they always wanted Obama, and the party thus turned a deaf ear to our constant and repeated complaints of voter fraud, intimidation, and other thuggery by the Obama campaign from January through June.

That means, technically, nothing Obama did during the primaries was illegal…if our understanding of election law is true and political party primaries are not safeguarded under federal law. Tthe things his campaign is orchestrating now, however, ARE violations of the law.

Thus, all the evidence Clinton supporters and Republicans have gathered of fraud and voter intimidation during the primaries establishes the pattern of behavior that’s allowing RICO investigators to clearly discern a national conspiracy, rooted in Chicago, to hijack this election and defraud the will of the people. It’s all background information, with the RICO case seemingly evolving from the 15 separate investigations now underway in all states busting ACORN offices.

The Obama campaign, meanwhile, is in damage control mode, trying to amend FEC filings to erase ACORN from all of its paperwork — including claiming the $800,000 the Obama campaign paid ACORN for voter fraud (including registering the dead and enlisting homeless people and college kids to illegally multi-vote in multiple states or multiple intrastate polling places) was actually awarded to an unrelated, though wholly owned, subsidiary of ACORN.

The media, which risked all its credibility betting on an Obama win, will not report any of this because when Obama falls, he will take America’s faith in journalism with him. Democrats, especially, will never trust the media again, since they will come to realize they lost a sure shot at taking back the White House with Hillary Clinton, because the media wanted to run an Obama campaign, and Howard Dean and Donna Brazile were all too pleased to oblige. Republicans never trusted the media to begin with — so chalk that up, surprisingly, to yet another thing centrist Democrats now agree with Republicans on.

Whenever a storm brews for Obama, the media ratchets up its cheerleading, and those in the tank for him do whatever they can to protect him. That’s why we’ve also noticed the polling companies changing their party ID samples in the last two or three weeks, upping Democrats’ party ID to 50% in some polls, and dropping Republicans down to just 20%, with 30% Independent. If you look at this critically, you’d see that Democrats have never enjoyed more than a 4% historical party ID advantage.

In 2006, a year that Democrats RAGED against both Bush and the sex-scandal plagued GOP (Mark Foley, Larry Craig, and other characters), Democrats had just a 3% party ID advantage. All of this means polls should be using samples with 39% Democrats, 35% Republican, and 26% Independent.

The polling samples are manipulated to give Obama higher poll numbers than he really in fact has, as reflective of support in the electorate. Some people believe this is all being done as cover for the voter fraud — so that Obama polls higher than he should in states where ACORN’s activities are meant to pump illegal votes in to push him much higher than he would be in an actual, legitimate election.

The polls, in essence, are thus showing that ACORN is expected to deliver that 11% party ID advantage to Democrats, by bringing the dead, ineligible felons, and homeless multi-voters to the voting booths. The polls thus seem rigged to produce the results Obama wants…and ACORN is the muscle to make sure results are delivered to match the established polls.

That’s one theory.

Another is that the polling companies and networks are working independent of the Obama campaign, but that the networks, which fund the polls, demand good Obama poll numbers because those drive ratings.

MSNBC, in particular, will most likely go under when Obama loses — they are so in the tank for his campaign, and are behind so much of the mischief of the past year, that when Obama loses we are certain Jeff Zucker, Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, and others will lose their jobs, with the network collapsing a year or two later. MSNBC is already in last place.

Republicans and centrist Democrats won’t touch it. The only people left watching it are Obama supporters (or sadomasochistic Eeyores who enjoy watching propaganda engineered specifically to depress them,and in turn cause them to depress everyone around them with “We’re all doomed! Obama is unstoppable! [/font]

The TV told me this and now I need be constantly reassured otherwise so I will drain the energy from all those around me!” woe). Obama supporters disappear when MSNBC is not providing enough cheerleading for him. And Obama supporters are all MSNBC has left.

So, in our opinion, the media and the polls are linked, since both depend on Obama followers remaining loyal viewers, never becoming disillusioned in his campaign. His support in polls is thus inflated for network business reasons, with Potemkin Vilage idiots like Matthews and Olbermann reading from Jeff Zucker’s predictably pro-Obama script. Manupulation and propaganda like this happen all the time.

If Obama can win this thing fair and square in an honest election, then so be it — we don’t believe he honestly can. Those of us who have been on the ground for Hillary Clinton the last 2 years haven’t seen much honesty come out of the Obama Nation.

Have sure seen a lot of fraud, though.

[easeltine]

Senator Obama may win. Though, there is something wrong when CBS News has Senator Obama ahead by +14%, and another polling stat, IBD/TIPP has Senator Obama ahead by only +4%.

I think that CBS News is about the most Liberal organization out there, and it isn't just because they banned me for making a Conservative comment. I pointed out where the Reporter misspelled, and the Editor missed the mistake, the word, Ayers, they spelled as Aryers, three times in the article. All I did after that is suggest that they study about Bill Ayers on the Internet, along with Alinsky, and Odinga. I mean people are totally rude and hateful in their comments on CBSNEWS, especially, Obama Democrats.

They pulled the article and kicked my name out.

[jefffranklin]

Sound like a leftist cult to me. Make no mistake about it. We are dealing with a far left cult on a national level. The horribly vicious way they attacked Palin and her children. Their attacks on McCain's war record. Their insane unAmerican socialist dogma. Their inabilty to see that their empty suit, face guy Emporer/Messiah wears no clothes, has no character. Constant sweeping under the carpet his gaffes, Ayers, Rev. Wright, Tony Resco, his connection to A.C.O.R.N., his Infanticide stance on abortion, the little snippets where he reveals his real self ("clinging to their guns and bibles") nose in the air elitism.

All sense of right, decency and morality goes out the window to get their socialist face guy in the White House, steal the election by voter fraud, rig the polls, preaching fear about the economy, anyone against him is a racist, the idolization and worship of their cult leader, who Louis Farrakhan calls "the Messiah", the stark contrast for instance to how Obama was adored and McCain was attacked on "The View", the gotcha questioned heavily edited interviews set up for Palin by Gibson and Couric..... All major factors of a cult mentality.

Name a cult leader, a cult, Scientology, Branch Davidians, People's Temple.... and the cultlike similarities are too canny to be coincidence.

The way some Republicans circled the wagons around Nixon during the Watergate investigation is another example. Cultish. A political cult is still a cult.

Keep in mind the thousands of political appointments that will be given to Democratic job seekers who have been having to make it in the real world for 8 years. President Garfield was literally killed by such a rabid disgruntled job seeker.

We've seen this cult like mentality before during the Klinton years, the Gore and Kerry runs. But now the left has quadrupled their efforts and no matter how awfully dangeroius Obama is for this country they're going to make it appear he won no matter how many laws are broken.

The wacko left led by Howard Dean, George Souros, Warren Buffet, Ted Turner, to name a few, are going all out this time around to insure that their puppet man is swooshed into the White House regardless of the wishes of the American people.

Don't give up the fight. The fat lady hasn't sang yet. Wise man once said....

""You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time."

Come November 4th the American people will realize they have had the wool pulled over their eyes by this Obamaite Cult. I have faith that the majority of Americans will wake up, the effects of the Obama Kool aid will wear off and they will smell the skunk in the thousand dollar suit Madison Avenue has been selling us. The only poll that matters is the one that takes place on November 4th.

Vote McCain!