LaRouche continued 6

[poe]

I'm rather surprised THE DEAR LEADER has not picked up the electric universe as a foundation for the org's science superfriends wing.

Fusion? Uncool, and rather mainstream. Electric universe devoid of fusion? Super-cool!

I thought the "Electric Universe" crowd was pro-Fusion. Doesn't Eric Lerner promote both "The Electric Universe" and Fusion?

[fightapathy]

I thought the "Electric Universe" crowd was pro-Fusion. Doesn't Eric Lerner promote both "The Electric Universe" and Fusion?

To be honest, I'm out of the [magnetic] loop on this one. Last time I was reading anything about the electric universe, some blogger was postulating on the sun being a gigantic solid iron ball, behaving like an anode, with the corona discharging most of the ionized plasma outward to the planets, they presumable being cathodes.

Certainly sounds like something Lyn's BASEMENT BOYS could scoop up with a spoon!

[Kellezi]

The latest edition (June 15) of the Weekend Report: http://www.larouchepac.com/node/18467

I don't expect many to click on that link, and rightfully so for various reasons. I simply got bored and decided to click around at random parts, and around 53:40 LaRouche began talking, seemingly for the first time (this is basically the only one I've ever bothered to try to watch to some extent), about the possibility a LaRoucheless LaRouche cult.

"But I think now the margins are sufficiently great; we can win. I'm determined that we should make the attempt to win. I think that we can get our country back, and I think we can get the world in better shape. Within your lifetime, perhaps not mine." Followed by some mild laughter.

Okay, it isn't much.

If I were Lyndon LaRouche I'd totally start commissioning some Collected Works. Imagine it: a complete, voluminous collection of everything LaRouche ever wrote. It doesn't sound exciting at all and would probably cement LaRouche eternally as someone who just isn't a very good predictor of events, but just imagine LaRouchites being forced to buy and study his works. Imagine doctrinal disputes when LaRouche dies à la left-wing circles constantly throwing Marx, Lenin, and Stalin/Trotsky quotes at each other.

[European]

Dennis. Just for the record. LaRouche is not a very creative person. He uses the same metaphors over and over again. He has used the expressinom take out, and the ides of march (Ceasar) thousands of times in describing hundreds of people and events!

He did exactly the same with Bush (Even if the hatred the movement spreads about Obama is greater than the hatred it spread against Bush. I is almost as filled with hate as the campaigns against Olof Palme...)

By the way. The use of metaphors as the one LaRouche uses where he compares Obama to a monkey is not a new one either. He has done the same to hundreds of people. Bush and scwartzenegger too.

(I participated at aseveral conference where LaRouche joked and asked if Bush:s father or mother, were gorillas or both. That is a joke he has used hundreds of times... I propbably heard it a dozen times.)

http://american-lycurgus.blogspot.co...president.html

[dking]

"CHIMPANZEES" IN THE WHITE HOUSE?

Lyndon LaRouche's latest racial slur on Web TV--and it's by no means his worst.

For immediate release, June 16, 2011
Contact: Dennis King at http://lyndonlarouchewatch.org/contact.htm


LaRouche chortles over the chimp joke.

NEW YORK, June 16--Lyndon LaRouche, the ultra-right cult leader and convicted felon who poses as a "Democrat," has shown his bigotry once again--this time in a June 8th webcast sponsored by the LaRouche Political Action Committee. The webcast discussion was headed by John Hoefle, senior economist of LaRouche's weekly newsmagazine, EIR, and included LaRouche himself speaking from a studio in Germany.

At the end of the program, LaRouche suddenly asked, "Where does a chimpanzee go to vote in the U.S. elections?" Hoefle, apparently already knowing the answer, replied "I think it's the White House." LaRouche was then shown beaming and chortling. The video clip is available, along with commentary from LaRouche critics, at http://lyndonlarouchewatch.org/larouche-chimpanzees-white-house.htm

The joke was obviously a slur against President Obama, who is a frequent target of LaRouche's incendiary rhetoric. For instance, in April 2008, LaRouche told his followers: "You'll find Obama's ancestry, if you chase the family tree, everybody's climbing and swinging from the branches there....Every monkey in every tree, from every part of the world, has participated in the sexual act of producing him."

But the chimp joke apparently also was aimed at one of the participants in the webcast. Sky Shields, a young black man who is active in the LaRouche Youth Movement, had just finished summing up the discussion, when LaRouche asked out of the blue the question about chimpanzees. Shields' body language and facial expressions thereafter during the show's final moments are open to multiple interpretations.

The LaRouche Youth Movement is best known for its card tables--for instance, on college campuses and at post offices--festooned with posters that show President Obama wearing a Hitler moustache. The LYMers at these tables call for Obama's impeachment and offer pamphlets filled with Tea Party-style criticisms of Obamacare as well as their own movement's peculiar ideas about the British royal family, earthquakes, and an impending New Dark Age.

LaRouche himself takes things a bit further than most of his followers. On January 30, 2010, he gave a webcast speech saying that Americans were thinking about lynching Obama. LaRouche suggested that they were moving in the right direction--that it was time to "take out Obama." LaRouche also stated that the President was good only for "kindling"--a comment that, in the context of the lynching remark, appeared to refer to how racist mobs sometimes burned black men at the stake, or burned their lynched corpses, during the Jim Crow era. http://lyndonlarouchewatch.org/larouche-obama-2010.pdf

Six weeks later LaRouche gave an "Ides of March" speech (a reference to the assassination of Julius Caesar in 44 BC) in which he again called for the extra-constitutional removal of Obama from office. The speech was posted on many video-sharing sites under the heading "Obama is Going Down." And just in case the viewer or reader didn't "get" it, the transcript of LaRouche's speech, as posted on LaRouche's own Schiller Institute website, included a picture of Caesar being stabbed in the Roman Senate by his assassins. The caption warned that "as with Caesar, time is running out for Barack Obama." http://lyndonlarouchewatch.org/larouche-obama-2010E.pdf

Says Dennis King of the Lyndon LaRouche Watch website: "LaRouche has recruited a few black members into his youth movement and is putting them forward as a smokescreen to cover up his agenda of hate. Last year, a young black woman from the LYM actually won a Democratic congressional primary in Texas--in a solid Republican district where Democrats were asleep at the wheel--and used her candidacy to promote LaRouche's 'impeach Obama' slogan. LaRouche has also used Jewish recruits in a similar manner, as a cover for his anti-Semitic campaigns."

King continued, "The June 8 chimp joke proves once again that LaRouche is not a friend of African-Americans, just as his notorious joke about how many Jews you can fit into a Volkswagen ashtray shows he is no friend of the Jews.

"It's time for the NAACP and other civil rights organizations to speak out against the hate rhetoric of LaRouche's cult and its use of deceptive come-ons and 'ego-stripping' indoctrination methods to recruit young black people as well as white youth. It's also time for black and Jewish organizations to demand that colleges ban LYM recruitment tables from their campuses or at a minimum take steps to warn students about the true nature of this cult," King concluded.

LaRouche's racism dates back at least to the early 1970s when his followers engaged in numerous violent clashes with black nationalists and circulated racially charged leaflets and pamphlets.

Between 1977 and 1994, LaRouche and his minions supported the South African apartheid regime by way of numerous propaganda efforts. According to an investigative series in The New York Times (Oct. 7-8, 1979), they also "produced private intelligence reports on anti-apartheid groups in the United States for the Bureau of State Security of South Africa."

LaRouche hired the Grand Dragon of the Pennsylvania Ku Klux Klan as his security advisor in the early 1980s. In 1987, the advisor, Roy Frankhouser (now deceased), was convicted in federal court of obstructing justice on LaRouche's behalf after LaRouche came under FBI investigation for massive nationwide credit card and loan fraud. LaRouche and Frankhouser both ended up serving time in federal prison as a result of those investigations and the subsequent trials.
Extensive documentation on LaRouche's history of racism can be found at http://lyndonlarouchewatch.org/larouche-obama-menu.htm For information on his history of criminal activity, go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaRouche_criminal_trials

[dking]

Dennis. Just for the record. LaRouche is not a very creative person. He uses the same metaphors over and over again. He has used the expressinom take out, and the ides of march (Ceasar) thousands of times in describing hundreds of people and events!

He did exactly the same with Bush (Even if the hatred the movement spreads about Obama is greater than the hatred it spread against Bush. I is almost as filled with hate as the campaigns against Olof Palme...)

By the way. The use of metaphors as the one LaRouche uses where he compares Obama to a monkey is not a new one either. He has done the same to hundreds of people. Bush and scwartzenegger too.

(I participated at aseveral conference where LaRouche joked and asked if Bush:s father or mother, were gorillas or both. That is a joke he has used hundreds of times... I propbably heard it a dozen times.)

http://american-lycurgus.blogspot.co...president.html

European, you make some good points. Here's my take on it, which may not be so different from yours: LaRouche, through repetition of gorilla, ape and chimpanzee insults against everyone in sight, desensitizes his followers to it. And then when he uses such language in a really serious way his followers often don't notice the difference.

In the use of insults, context is everything. Calling George Bush a chimpanzee is just silly, or if you put a Yale cap on a chimp and call it Georgie, it's just satire (like when I said about John Hoefle, "give Darwin a banana").

But to use such language to refer to Barack Obama and his supporters in the black community is, within the context of American history and the history of racist language and imagery in American discourse dating back over 200 years, profoundly offensive.

Also, read over the highlighted material in LaRouche's Jan. 2010 and March 2010 speeches about Obama; there is a level of malevolence and sadism there that goes way beyond most of LaRouche's stuff I've read over the years, except perhaps his attacks on Kissinger (the cult's "Symbolic Evil Jew"). You say that some of the Palme stuff is that bad--this interests me greatly. Would it be possible to get some of the worst examples translated into English? Did he actually call for Palme's assassination in the sly way he's done with Obama?

I think we have to make a distinction between how someone outside the cult would see a LaRouche statement, and how a person inside would see it. People inside are seeing something other than what's right in front of their noses; they have Orwellian doublethink and reframings as a screen between themselves and reality.

The process of desensitizing members of the LaRouche cult to abusive and dehumanizing speech (a process which both you and Yves at LaRouche Planet have done a good job of documenting) produces a similar effect. But most outsiders have not been desensitized in that manner. Indeed, everyone to whom I've shown the June 8th LaRoucheTV video clip instantly saw it as a racist slur.

There is some evidence on the tape that even Sky Shields and John Hoefle, and the young woman in between them, recognized (in spite of often hearing such rhetoric used against George Bush and other white people) that LaRouche had gone too far this time. Note how Hoefle drums his fingers nervously against the table at the end: he's perhaps beginning to realize that Lyn just set him up--and that he's now on tape, forever, as the perpetrator of a nasty ethnic joke. And Sky Shields stares blankly at the camera--does he recognize that he too was set up, sadistically, to be captured on tape as a black man who laughed at a racist joke?

LaRouche does this to people, traps them into humiliating themselves so that he can enjoy the sense of power and grandiosity it gives him. As by getting Jews in his cult to run around spreading anti-Semitism. The worst thing is that they often internalize the humiliation to where it no longer feels humiliating but is regarded as a second-hand source of power and grandiosity for themselves too (hey, we're CLOSE TO LYN). I'll comment more on this at a later time.

[kheris]

By the way. The use of metaphors as the one LaRouche uses where he compares Obama to a monkey is not a new one either. He has done the same to hundreds of people. Bush and scwartzenegger too.

(I participated at aseveral conference where LaRouche joked and asked if Bush:s father or mother, were gorillas or both. That is a joke he has used hundreds of times... I propbably heard it a dozen times.)

http://american-lycurgus.blogspot.co...president.html

The comparing of people to animals is an old story. However, as I pointed out in an earlier post, in this country the comparison of African-Americans to any member of the primate family is perceived as a racist effort to continue the overt dehumanization of black Africans. The historical record is replete with racist behavior to African-Americans, and there still live those who believe that African-Americans are little more than animals. That may not be the case in Europe or elsewhere. LaRouche is an American and he well knows that is the case here.

I have noticed that LaRouche is making an effort to emphasize the use of Constitutional means to remove Obama. I wonder if someone made an effort to get him to tone it down a tad or to refocus on using Constitutional means.

[dking]

Dennis. Just for the record. LaRouche is not a very creative person. He uses the same metaphors over and over again. He has used the expressinom take out, and the ides of march (Ceasar) thousands of times in describing hundreds of people and events!

European, I am very skeptical that LaRouche has used the "ides of march (Ceasar)" on "thousands" of occasions to describe "hundreds of people and events" and has done so frequently in a context that urges violence. I have no doubt that you have a recollection of him using it on several occasions, in a variety of contexts, but if he'd used it on the scale you suggest--and had often done so in the same threatening manner as in the Ides of March 2010 speech--I think I would have noticed it. But am I wrong?

I went to Google and typed in "Ides of March larouche." Searching through the first 110 hits (first 11 pages), I found that 108 of them either were postings of or links to or promotion of or other references to the Ides of March 2010 speech. Indeed, the Ides of March webcast is all over the web, including on far-right sites. I found one reference from 2006 to the Ides of March and Dick Cheney. But the phrase in which it appeared was worded in an extremely ambiguous way and I was uncertain if it constituted a threat at all. The only other non-Obama-related reference was to the political cult leader Gino Parente (now deceased), a one-time ally of LaRouche's, who would talk every year about robbing banks or starting an uprising on the Ides of March but never did so.

In other words, we have in the Ides of March 2010 speech something on a scale that dwarfs any previous references that LaRouche might have made to the Ides of March. But suppose you can come up with some clearly threatening references targeting, say, Henry Kissinger 20 years ago--what then?

As I stated in my previous posting, context is everything. LaRouche gave his Ides of March 2010 speech at a time of hysteria and rage on the far right in the United States centered on Obama's health care plan and on the President himself. This hysteria and rage was coming from the Tea Party movement, which included, both on its fringes and in some leadership positions, ultraright militia types including fans of The Turner Diaries. An intense hatred of Obama--racially motivated both openly and covertly among many of these people--had been building up since his election. Indeed, in 2009 the Secret Service had been overwhelmed by the death threats that were being made against the President.

In sum, LaRouche's Jan. 30 and March 13, 2010 webcasts were anything BUT business-as-usual examples of him quoting Shakespeare or spinning rhetorical wheels in his head. The two speeches--and the widespread promotion of them in the following months--constituted an extremely irresponsible attempt by this bloviating demagogue and certain of his followers to incite violence by proxy against the President of the United States. And it conceivably could have led to an attempt against the President, if Jared Lee Loughner, the schizophrenic man who shot Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, had happened to visit one of the many sites where LaRouche's webcast had been posted, or if there had been in the LaRouche Youth Movement a really sinister hater equivalent to Viktor Gunnarsson, the former member of the EAP in Sweden who boasted of killing Palme and getting away with it in the months before his own murder (my hypothetical assumes that Gunnarsson's boasts were true, which of course is unproven).

[European]

I agree that the impression it makes when LaRouche calls Obama a monkey is different from when he calls you a monkey och George Bush a monkey. But the intention is the same. The problem with your approach is that it is easy for the cult to disprove you. All it has to do is to show that the movement is filled with people of the same "race" (god I hate that word) as Obama.

That is all they have to do. That is how they once recruited me. I read your book, then I went to Germany and participated at a conference where there was almost no "white" people. All black and coloured. With dozens of old civil rights leaders... Neonazis, KKK... Well, well, well...

Now I know that the movement is a danger, in another way. It is not simply a bunch of neonazis, antisemites or KKK-members...

Beware! You are still making the same mistake.

So instead of making a difference between what LaRouche "means" whan he calls Obama a monkey and Bush a monkey, try to fins an interpretation as to why he calls his targets, his ENEMIES monkeys!

LaRouche has talked about Ides of March since the 70s. Around 1978 he made his first largescale use of the metaphor in connection to Italy, as far as I remember. He has used it repeatedly but mainly 1978, 1988, 1998 and 2010 (He is predictable like the comet of Halley).

I made a search at their website:

http://www.google.com/search?BtnSrch...arouchepub.com

Do I really have to go through it all? Four examples from 1998 will be sufficient.

1998: John Paul II and the Ides of March
1998: The Ides of March: Russia crisis breaks
1997 http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/1997/...o_to_lvov.html Russia
1998 15/3, förutspådde total kollaps av allt! http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/1998/lar_nbw_031898.html

Etc...

I do not disagree with you about the danger of LaRouche. He and Europeiska Arbetarpartiet in Sweden spread enormous amounts of hatred against Olof Palme (including even worse "jokes" and metaphors about monkeys) - and Palme was shot.


PS

"You say that some of the Palme stuff is that bad--this interests me greatly. Would it be possible to get some of the worst examples translated into English? Did he actually call for Palme's assassination in the sly way he's done with Obama? "

Here we go again...

Dennis! Now you used the same method as Lyndon LaRouche! Dont assume that someone that spreads hate is only using "coded words". That is a crucial part of the LaRouche method to do these kinds of logical jumps and I do not want to participate in anything like that anymore!7

I can look for, and translate, things he, and the movement said about Palme, and how they used the most degrading language in order to create a hate against him. But am not wiling to do that if it is supposed to be used in a kind of hut for coded words in the same way LaRouche always have abused logic and language!

[dking]

European, I looked at the two links you provided. You're comparing apples and oranges. One article used the Ides of March as a metaphor for looming economic disaster; the other contained a single trivial mention of the Ides of March, stating merely that it had passed but that now the REAL economic crisis was coming. Neither was at all comparable to the Ides of March 2010 speech, which uses the Ides of March explicitly as a metaphor for the unconstitutional overthrow of Obama and implicitly as a metaphor for assassinating Obama, and does so within the context of a wave of hysteria and rage against Obama on the U.S. far right. http://lyndonlarouchewatch.org/larouche-obama-2010E.pdf

I googled "ides of march disaster" and found a number of examples similar to LaRouche's non-Obama-related use of the Ides of March, e.g., the Ides of March as a metaphor for, or a predicted time of, or as having a coincidental relationship to, various natural, economic or other disasters. Here's a good-natured example presented within a rational framework: http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx...bCategoryId=66

And I also found an Ides of March reference about how the Obama administration is failing to heed the signs that its economic policies aren't working. http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/...ment_is_n.html

Again, this latter example (comparable to saying that people in high places are failing to "heed Cassandra") is not comparable to how LaRouche uses the term in the Ides of March 2010 speech.

All this doesn't mean LaRouche hasn't used Ides of March in a threatening way at some time in the past against a public figure. But his organization's aggressive promotion of the Ides of March 2010 speech against Obama appears to represent an unprecedentedly nasty (for the cult) political use of the term in an assassination-related context.

[Xandufar]

"CHIMPANZEES" IN THE WHITE HOUSE?

Lyndon LaRouche's latest racial slur on Web TV--and it's by no means his worst.

For immediate release, June 16, 2011
Contact: Dennis King at http://lyndonlarouchewatch.org/contact.htm


LaRouche chortles over the chimp joke.

NEW YORK, June 16--Lyndon LaRouche, the ultra-right cult leader and convicted felon who poses as a "Democrat," has shown his bigotry once again--this time in a June 8th webcast sponsored by the LaRouche Political Action Committee. The webcast discussion was headed by John Hoefle, senior economist of LaRouche's weekly newsmagazine, EIR, and included LaRouche himself speaking from a studio in Germany.

At the end of the program, LaRouche suddenly asked, "Where does a chimpanzee go to vote in the U.S. elections?" Hoefle, apparently already knowing the answer, replied "I think it's the White House." LaRouche was then shown beaming and chortling. The video clip is available, along with commentary from LaRouche critics, at http://lyndonlarouchewatch.org/larouche-chimpanzees-white-house.htm

The joke was obviously a slur against President Obama, who is a frequent target of LaRouche's incendiary rhetoric. For instance, in April 2008, LaRouche told his followers: "You'll find Obama's ancestry, if you chase the family tree, everybody's climbing and swinging from the branches there....Every monkey in every tree, from every part of the world, has participated in the sexual act of producing him."

But the chimp joke apparently also was aimed at one of the participants in the webcast. Sky Shields, a young black man who is active in the LaRouche Youth Movement, had just finished summing up the discussion, when LaRouche asked out of the blue the question about chimpanzees. Shields' body language and facial expressions thereafter during the show's final moments are open to multiple interpretations.

The LaRouche Youth Movement is best known for its card tables--for instance, on college campuses and at post offices--festooned with posters that show President Obama wearing a Hitler moustache. The LYMers at these tables call for Obama's impeachment and offer pamphlets filled with Tea Party-style criticisms of Obamacare as well as their own movement's peculiar ideas about the British royal family, earthquakes, and an impending New Dark Age.

LaRouche himself takes things a bit further than most of his followers. On January 30, 2010, he gave a webcast speech saying that Americans were thinking about lynching Obama. LaRouche suggested that they were moving in the right direction--that it was time to "take out Obama." LaRouche also stated that the President was good only for "kindling"--a comment that, in the context of the lynching remark, appeared to refer to how racist mobs sometimes burned black men at the stake, or burned their lynched corpses, during the Jim Crow era. http://lyndonlarouchewatch.org/larouche-obama-2010.pdf

Six weeks later LaRouche gave an "Ides of March" speech (a reference to the assassination of Julius Caesar in 44 BC) in which he again called for the extra-constitutional removal of Obama from office. The speech was posted on many video-sharing sites under the heading "Obama is Going Down." And just in case the viewer or reader didn't "get" it, the transcript of LaRouche's speech, as posted on LaRouche's own Schiller Institute website, included a picture of Caesar being stabbed in the Roman Senate by his assassins. The caption warned that "as with Caesar, time is running out for Barack Obama." http://lyndonlarouchewatch.org/larouche-obama-2010E.pdf

Says Dennis King of the Lyndon LaRouche Watch website: "LaRouche has recruited a few black members into his youth movement and is putting them forward as a smokescreen to cover up his agenda of hate. Last year, a young black woman from the LYM actually won a Democratic congressional primary in Texas--in a solid Republican district where Democrats were asleep at the wheel--and used her candidacy to promote LaRouche's 'impeach Obama' slogan. LaRouche has also used Jewish recruits in a similar manner, as a cover for his anti-Semitic campaigns."

King continued, "The June 8 chimp joke proves once again that LaRouche is not a friend of African-Americans, just as his notorious joke about how many Jews you can fit into a Volkswagen ashtray shows he is no friend of the Jews.

"It's time for the NAACP and other civil rights organizations to speak out against the hate rhetoric of LaRouche's cult and its use of deceptive come-ons and 'ego-stripping' indoctrination methods to recruit young black people as well as white youth. It's also time for black and Jewish organizations to demand that colleges ban LYM recruitment tables from their campuses or at a minimum take steps to warn students about the true nature of this cult," King concluded.

LaRouche's racism dates back at least to the early 1970s when his followers engaged in numerous violent clashes with black nationalists and circulated racially charged leaflets and pamphlets.

Between 1977 and 1994, LaRouche and his minions supported the South African apartheid regime by way of numerous propaganda efforts. According to an investigative series in The New York Times (Oct. 7-8, 1979), they also "produced private intelligence reports on anti-apartheid groups in the United States for the Bureau of State Security of South Africa."

LaRouche hired the Grand Dragon of the Pennsylvania Ku Klux Klan as his security advisor in the early 1980s. In 1987, the advisor, Roy Frankhouser (now deceased), was convicted in federal court of obstructing justice on LaRouche's behalf after LaRouche came under FBI investigation for massive nationwide credit card and loan fraud. LaRouche and Frankhouser both ended up serving time in federal prison as a result of those investigations and the subsequent trials.
Extensive documentation on LaRouche's history of racism can be found at http://lyndonlarouchewatch.org/larouche-obama-menu.htm For information on his history of criminal activity, go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaRouche_criminal_trials

It's funny how you can twist a few anecdotes from way back, and couple it with the video, and try to make a case. In the years that I was in the LaRouche organization, LaRouche always taught that human beings are "apart from and above" all beasts by virtue of an absolute quality of cognition that is not measureable, and, therefore, does not come in degrees. Racism of any sort is not tolerated. Racist jokes would go over like lead balloons, and would probably start a big argument. The video does not contradict this fundamental truth. It was merely a reference to the fact that voting for a policy or policies that deny the human potential, as environmentalism denies the human potential, is tantamount to denying what is essentially human. The jab is directed at voter behavior and Obama's policies. It is in no way directed at Obama's ethnicty.

I assure you that Sky Shields understood the joke and was not uncomfortable in any way. I know Sky Shields. I helped to recruit him. In fact, I was on the squad that met him for the first time. The man's a genious.

The fact that you or anyone else might percieve racism can only indicate ignorance. It can only be that you, Dennis King, allow yourself to think at a level approaching that of one who allows themself to think at the level of an ignorant racist, and, therefore, allows racist thinking to influence their judgement. In other words, get your mind out of the gutter!

It occurs to me that this episode is merely the latest example of a pattern of behavior upon which your entire career is built. Anyone who knows better would have to look at your method, and your accomplishments, in light of this latest blunder of yours. Your career is founded on fundamental ignorance. I pity you for all the years of fruitless, unsound effort. Try doing something good instead. It will likely make you a lot smarter.

[Peter_Tennenbaum]

If one accepts Xandufar's assurances of Sky Shield's "true" response to LaR's little remark, then I am surely far worse off than Dennis. I think his interpretation is rather mild.

I thought that LaRouche's joke was EXPLICITLY aimed at Sky -- that LaRouche was calling Sky a chimpanzee.

Why would LaR stoop so low?

Because Sky explicated some concepts in a half-way intelligible manner -- in a manner far clearer than LaR ever succeeded in presenting. The old man simply got jealous and made a sadist, demeaning joke.

[xlcr4life]

But the chimp joke apparently also was aimed at one of the participants in the webcast. Sky Shields, a young black man who is active in the LaRouche Youth Movement, had just finished summing up the discussion, when LaRouche asked out of the blue the question about chimpanzees. Shields' body language and facial expressions thereafter during the show's final moments are open to multiple interpretations.

Hmmmmmm. I wonder if this could be the punctum saliens for Sky Shields? This looks interesting to me because in my view, there are often a few moments in your experience with the cult where you are confronted with something which so challenges your critical thinking, that to accept it is to basically submit your free mind. It can be a series of small events or perhaps a larger event which forces a confrontation between your personal world and The Bizarro World.



LCers faced this in the Chris White brainwashing caper , not that it was not possible in the COINTELPRO era of that time frame, but those members who knew that this was a fraud, continued with it and never again challenged it. Others quit. Jewish members who had some historical/cultural history within them had to make decisions about Larouche's Holocaust numerology as well as the "Jew Jokes". Security memebrs, especially those who were Jewish had to rationalize anti semitic jokes told by the Carto people in meetings with Larouche. Jewish members certainly had so much to be willing to accept with Dope Inc . What was funny at the time was that Ken Dalto banned a lot of lit from being sold because of anti semitism. The joke for everyone was that Detroit called "War on Drugs" "War on Jews"!



When I first came around the LC I was told that several of the Black LC leadership previously were into Jazz and performed in bands. How did this segment react to this? I can't recall any complaints or critiques of "The racist roots of Jazz" Campaigner. It is very 1984ish that what became acceptable to the same leadership in the cult and among members is the singing of Negro Slave Spirituals in the local office before heading out to the "field" to card table shrine each morning.



So much for a cult anthropologist to study.



So much for current cult apologists to study.



As I entered the 1980s, the Chris White affair was gone and I was neither Black nor Jewish. I did find it very strange what was occurring with the credit card charges and the promissory notes with our supporters. I recall some of our phone and field organizers honestly telling people that there must have been a mistake in their credit card bill and how they would get it taken care of. Good luck. If that happened then there would be no case, witnesses and people eager to contact police and their credit card company about this. We told members that Kissinger did it since he was on the board of directors of I think American Express when we lost them.



Phone team members in their minds, honestly thought that by sending a note to the finance office about their contact not being paid, that would solve the issue. What you find is that some NCs protected themselves by basically holding back funds and repaying some of their loans which stopped some investigations. However, if you were close to Wertz and the National Office, well, you were on the express lane to prison.



Another mind altering moment is having a few hundred people say goodbye to a few Boston members whom we sent out of the country to avoid the Grand Jury. Think about that one. We all look at these members from Boston and know that they are being sent out of the country to avoid legal proceedings which was against the law. We were told that if anyone asked us about these members, we were just to say that we saw them at a certain time and after that, never saw them again and had no idea where they went to or anything else.



How many times did people in the Legal staff hear Larouche's words about deals where he goes free while members make deals for jail time? How about Ed Spannaus and others knowing about a deal to sacrifice Debbie Freeman? It is in the court room testimony and on factnet.org a few years ago I think.



You see, being in the cult requires you to make these decisions a lot, not all at once, but everyone will have that day. If you talk to many ex members as I and others have done over the years or read resignation letters, they made the decision when it became impossible to defend this lunacy over and over. I tend to think that Larouche knows that and these type of personalities will often believe their own tall tales while conveniently changing the subject at will. This is important for our future cult anthropologist to understand as to why Larouche has the cult in endless mobilizations with a never ending change of position since this eliminates the physical and mental breathing room one needs to just question.



Today , you have older members who have long lost any hope of critical thinking about Larouche or the cult. There are many who have not one bit of concern over the now dead elderly whose funds we hijacked since after all, Larouche is innocent and this was all a frame up. LYM members have been fed a revisionist history of the cult which is why the web has been a God send for allowing a nobody like me to both reminisce and share Larouche blessings from google and yahoo.



What is a site to see is to how Larouche has buried the older Boomers before he is buried and uses the same cheap parlor tricks on the youth, who are no longer youth after a decade of this.



Lyn knows that it is a cult Sky. If you accept this, Larouche has whipped both your ass and your mind. CTS4life son



This process is not limited to cults. There are many delusional business people and orgs out there.If you really want to see something interesting, just compare abusive and controlling relationships that women are often in for years and how they rationalize staying in.



We will get back to speed in how Larouche's 330 million dollars of self fulfillment has ended up soon. More will be coming, but we can all enjoy Howie's latest blog entry.



http://www.struat.com/election/2011/...jokes/#respond

Kesha Rogers, Rachel Brown, Summer Shields, Dave Christie, Diane Sare, Bill Roberts: Running under the Banner of Larouche’s Crude Monkey / Gorilla Jokes.
A rule I have had, from the start of his presidential campaign on into his presidency, with regards to caricature and Obama: just do us all a favor and stay away from the Primates. Yes, there is a double standard that exists with Obama and the 42 Presidents who preceded him, but it is one with a historic reason for existing, and the various people in the recurring “Obama — Monkey” scandals know full well or should know full well the reason.

Still, I have seen in the recurring mini-controversies some room to parse meanings, which is to say to explain why in some instances the “just a caricature like done with Bush” doesn’t even compute. The image sent out by an elected member of the central committee of the Republican Party of Orange County — which puts Obama’s ancestors as two monkeys — falls into this category. The comment in her apology, “the thought never entered my mind until one or two other people [Scott Baugh, Orange County GOP boss, and this writer] tried to make this about race” is a little hard to fathom.

I would be inclined to argue that the Obama Joker image is not racist, except that the creation is stupid enough and not deserving of the attention necessary to argue the point.(*1)

One thing we can say about the elected Orange County Republican representative is she did have to give an account for her action — she was, perhaps feebly, “held to account”.

Mockingly, my thought after watching these 45 seconds, was “Well, that’s the end of that guy’s career in electoral politics.” But of course, the Larouche Org does not function like a regular political organization. They’ve a world of fantasists (*2), on the cusp of power against a sea of Historic Disintegration. They’re a marketing scam operating off of political paranoia. They play the politics of ****ing into a pool, in the direction of a mass of ****, and pointing to the mass of **** and proudly beating their chest proclaiming — “See! We did that!” (For instance on that last one

Sarah Palin stole it from LaRouche.
They will never admit it.
They picked it up because I spammed it all over the Sarah Palin resigns video on youtube.
They are so easy to manipulate.(*3)

The comment from the diatribe produced there that I commented on at the time, on this blog, was In response to Obama’s insistence that he will not back down, LaRouche said: “Obama should back down or he might be hung.(*4) (Move forward on that blog post for an LPAC description of a Holocaust Survivor.)

These 45 seconds seem a non sequitur. The awkward jab dangles there, at the end. We have Sky Shields finish up his “Scientific Presentation”. We have a couple of seconds of awkward silence, before the old cult leader makes his little joke — proudly – “That was, Where does a chimpanzee go to vote in the US election?” John Hoefel — who it falls on to provide the punchline for the joke everyone is nervously laughing at – lest that task land with Sky Shields: “I think at the White House.” Forced Laughter follows. Awkward silence. They wrap up — “Anything else, Lyn?” And it all ends badly from there.

The Larouche organization is running six candidates for Congress for 2012. This is up from, depending on how you count, the two or three candidates they ran in 2010. There are Kesha Rogers, Rachel Brown, Summer Shields, Dave Christie, Diane Sare, and Bill Roberts. Running for office with your name on the ballot, gives a candidate some minimal media attention. Rachel Brown received an amused amount of coverage when Barney Frank shot back at her at a Townhall meeting. To a lesser extent, Diane Sare received some when New Jersey’s governor Chris Christie used her questioning to similar effect. As this is a tactic for the organization, and as these six individuals have been moved front and center as the organization’s representatives at these townhall meetings, I imagine in the coming year, media outlets will find themselves with a few more moments like this.

More pointedly, in 2010 the two congressional campaigns gave the Larouchies two political debates. Barney Frank stated about his debate with Rachel Brown that he never refuses a debate with anyone — a matter which caused some griping by his Republican general election foe for wanting to include minor party candidates — so it looks as though a Rachel Brown primary candidacy equals a Barney Frank — Rachel Brown debate. It is not out of the realm of possibilities that Kesha Rogers could win her nomination again — the Democratic Party would not like to think about this district — which would mean another Public Broadcasting debate.

Of course, nobody asked the candidates for elected office about their organization’s previous Obama — Monkey scandal, wherein Larouche came out against miscegenation (in the parsing of meanings this falls in the category of “can’t even bother with the fig-leaf of caricature)– in 2010. The debate moderators have a bit of a hard task with the Larouche candidates and what to do with them — you can more or less pick an item out at random from the Larouche org’s Collected Works and have something which is electorally disqualifying. As it were, Rachel Brown and Kesha Rogers got out pretty darned easy in their debates, the debate moderators not really wanting to spend their time on irrelevant Larouche figures and tracking back to a sort of humoring of them, bemused eyebrow raising on how a quick relocation exercise to Mars will save humanity.(*5)

One more problem with the 2008 Monkey comments is the sourcing and origins. They come from the org’s Internal Daily Briefings. The Larouche wikipedia team stone-facedly shoved it aside for that reason. But, when approaching the 2012 campaigns, the latest exercise in Racist awkwardness was delivered for public consumption. A year is a long time before anything comes up where a journalist or moderator is in the definite position of having a sit – all, and I imagine it may be too much to ask for someone to actually “use the clip” for candidate reaction — but understand, if they were normal candidates running seriously for office they would be asked to respond to this clip.

Oh, Here’s Dennis King on this, by the way.

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(*1) A little … exuberant, I suppose. Does it look as though Congress and the American President are a little too zealous about protecting Corporate Fascism and the wars that feed it?
According to Lyndon LaRouche of Larouchepac:
FDR & JFK’s policies were those that would prevent corporate fascism and protect the creativity as well as the right to flourish for any group of people in any given country by sovereignty rights by instituting such laws as Glass Steagal. The Patriot Act is only a veiled arm of fascism,designed to take down any that defend their rights by the constitution.LaRouche and his 40 years in Economic History under FDR & JFK Policies declare the easiest way to disarm & de-fund Corporate Fascism is to institute Glass Steagal. To do so, all the other arms of fascism will drop like a house of cards that it really is. Iceland,Ireland ,Spain & Greece seem to get the message.
Will the People of the Constitution take up their legacy??? It is Time to Lead the World into the greatest Leap of Human Rights & Progress that has ever been seen!!!
Actually Larouche hates FDR and JFK. I read it in his Walter Lippmann book.

Exuberant? Hey! i got a flood of pro-nuke folx commenting on the blog post. I heard about the miracle of Thorium reactors [Thorium reactor proponents are a bit like Lyndon Larouche disciples - what they lack in logic they make up for in enthusiasm] about how i was a bad dad and on and on. I blasted much of it. It is my blog, i control the content. Then i got a whole slew of “freedom of speech” objections. People were upset that i had erased their comments, i blasted most of these comments as well.

To explain why any iteration of Glass Steagal passed won’t be good enough.: Before Dave gets excited and goes all “Lyndon Larouche” on his readers about the return of Glass-Steagall courtesy of the U.K.’s Exchequer, there’s a few things you may want to consider. To start with, growing up Dave shared a bedroom with his brother and this is where he learned one of the first lessons about power, control and the partitioning of assets and access.

Put up on “Impeach Obama” facebook page. Lyndon LaRouche today said that the bipartisan Congressional revolt against President Barack Obama’s flagrant violation of the U.S. Constitution and the War Powers Act is just like the early moments of the Watergating of President Richard Nixon. “It is just the beginning, but the parallels to Watergate… Of course, “Watergate” is a verb meaning Presidents are set up for a fall because of the nefarious goals of — for instance in Nixon’s case, the Drug Dealers who wanted to squash Nixon’s “War on Drugs” and bring about a Dark Ages through Beatles music and through installation of Nelson Rockefellar as President. I read about that in Dope, Inc.

Also, Larouche doesn’t go far enough. Or maybe failed to act in time. In response to the US food shortages, high costs of food and fuel, Lyndon La Rouche is calling for emergency food-price controls claiming that the “US and the world is being driven into hyperinflation…” As far as I’m concerned, this is too little, too late. A call for price controls will only make the situation much, much worse. Instead, I propose the immediate education of the entire population in soil management, sustainable living technologies, and self-reliant living. Perhaps, PERHAPS, in a generation, our children may have the ability to feed themselves to a certain extent and won’t have to rely upon a failing political and economic system that may not make it one more generation out.

(*2) Further seen, and I think more directly round straight back to the Larouchies, when Glenn Beck ran a special on George Soros. Some people noticed.
Why do more people trust FOX news to be accurate and honest over all the other Soros influenced sources?
Beck’s source for his Soros piece was LYNDON LAROUCHE!!!
Don’t try to pretend Fox TV is any kind of serious news source.

The questioner there does the trick further by suggesting Fox News is “Soros influenced”, which I suppose is just as well. Everyone makes use of a cropped and mis-directed 60 Minutes interview.

(*3) A parallel example can be found in this response from a Larouchie to a Pleasanton complaint on the Obama — Hitler image propped on a neighbor’s lawn. The Larouchie has this mindset: Looks like you’re out of your comfort zone; breaking laws to quash freedom of speech? LaRouche agrees with you that America is headed towards Fascism. He believes it is already here and supported by Soros (considered by LaRouche to be a Synarchist, you know, the shadow government we’re all fighting against). That’s why LaRouche use the Obama-as-Hitler image. Now that he’s got your attention with that image, perhaps you’d like his politics. He wrote a book on Marxist political economy.
Somehow a person is supposed to be “shocked” by the image and then move from there to a “rational look at the facts” which ends with supporting their view point. I will give them that it works on … just enough… people off of the edges to make it a going concern 50 years.

Some more comedy from this series of exchanges.:
“Civil Disobedience”: Note, too, that Stacey, after providing her juvenile comment about LaRouche and Soros being equivalent actors in some kind of smackdown — such is Stacey’s moral sensibility I guess — fails to address Night Owl’s pointed question: What is it in her estimation that puts Lyndon LaRouche and George Soros on the same moral level? I imagine she’s still scouring wikipedia entries in hopes of finding something Nazi-like that Soros has done.

And This seems an odd forum to discuss things.
Isn’t part of the answer, though, within:

Talking of which, can anyone explain to me why “Koch” seems to have become synonymous with “antichrist” for the leftish side of the spectrum? Barely a day passes between inbox fillers about the latest Koch Nefariousness or Turpitude. It’s fracking tiresome. Are Lyndon LaRouche and Cigarette-smoking man no longer hip enough?.

(*4) To be fair, in the fantasist mind of Larouche, Obama is always on the edge here – ready to be put out once his controllers deem his use done. Should someone like the schizophrenic man who shot at Representative Giffords, it will be blamed on an operation in place from Tavistock — the ultimate blamers somewhere in the imaginations of Daniel Brandt to shuffle whatever Ross Perot and Pat Robertson have on this.

They have “played both sides against the middle”, as with this slogan from that rosy period where the Larouchies were “in talks with the Obama Administration” and touting the “Institution of the Presidency” — and the slogan they circulated when defending a corrupt black Boston political figure at a city council meeting.

(*5) This is a standard thought that must run through the debate moderators — “Aren’t they a relic from the 1980s?” — Lyndon LaRouche? You date yourself, my dear. P.S. HoR, I apologise for my initial comments and did not mean to offend that “you date yourself (my dear).” I was a fan of Perry but have done my research. Much to my dismay,

OR: That Lyndon LaRouche guy is funny as hell. “What caused all the problems in India, Africa, the US all over the world… The British Empire this guy is about 100 years late. How you going to blame the ills going on in any nation today .

AND THEN AGAIN: from 2009: LaRouche supporters continue to alienate both the left and the right. That is one thing that brings the Democrats and the Republicans together, their hatred for the LaRouchers.
The definition of madness is doing the same thing repeatedly while expecting different results.
After over 20 years of this completely idiotic Post Office campaign strategy, one would think they would finally get it. But they don’t, and that is why The LaRouchers are all quite insane.

Dateline Seattle. The Lydon LaRouche movement has a display outside the Greenwood U.S. Post Office today.

Go peddle them to Lydon LaRouche, we’re not interested. boxofteabags – June 11th, 2011 at 9:24 am.

Thank god the Jews have the own country, they have a place to go when they get blamed for this thing again.
Herman Cain warned me about the false science of Chinese communists and radical Norwegian socialists*. Thank you godfather, I love the smell of ignorance in the morning.
Herman Cain must be a follower of Lyndon LaRouche.

You’re an idiot. Ron Paul was clearly the winner.
On what criteria: he was inarticulate, waffling and didn’t answer any question in a comprehensible manner. None of the “real” snap polls thought he won anything. You remind me of the blind cult-like LaRouchies or perhaps the Moonies. On what basis do you make that outrageous assertion.

Odd that Lyndon LaRouche hasn’t declared. He seems like a perfect Tea Party candidate.

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Larouche In Conversation to the “Great Minds” of The Day, as he was in conversation with “Great Minds” in Grade School after everyone bullied him (I read that in his autobiography):.

Here’s a piece by Makow this morning that I think has merit. [+] Makow points to the Enlightenment as a counter-action against the Renaisance like Larouche does but he refuses to see FDR in the same light as Larouche, perpetrating the myth that FDR let Pearl Harbor happen. Still, Makow has merit and is consistent with Larouche on a number of points using a slightly different semantic frame than Larouche. Makow doesn’t know about Witzsche’s solutions however and in fact, Makow doesn’t really have any solutions. He does advocate resistance however in this article.

AND… — “Brother Nathaniel”. “Tracing America’s Enslavement to Jewish Bankers”. Although now misunderstood by economists such as Lyndon LaRouche and associates, for the greater good of America, President Jackson sent federal troops into the states who refused, (albeit indirectly), to pay off the debt to Jewish bankers, forcing those states to collect taxes. View Entire Story Here , Here , Here & Here . For seventy-seven years, although argued that Jewish financing of America’s railroads and gold trafficking kept the nation under Jewry’s thrall, America was no longer under the heel of Jewish bankers. Andrew Jackson, remarkably…federal force notwithstanding…paid off the debt.

Two different things. You see what we have is a false debate
Bankster Keyneisan Healthcare
Bankster Austrian Healthcare
What we had up to Obamacare was neither, Obamacare decidely put it into Bankster Keynesian Healthcare
You want a clearer picture here’s two things about Austrian school (no need to debunk keyneisan since we all know that here)
To reference the fascist LaRouche is enough in and of itself to discredit you, but you’re at least honest enough to admit the source of your ideas, so I’ll give you that much.

The Bilderberg Group has been denounced as a conspiracy from left and right, from everyone from crackpots like Alex Jones, Lyndon LaRouche, Phyllis Schlafly to Jesse Ventura (see video above) and Fidel Castro, who described “sinister cliques and the Bilderberg lobbyists” manipulating the public “to install a world government that knows no borders and is not accountable to anyone but its own self” in an article he wrote for Granma .

If you say so. (Preparing a people for the savior’s soon return… Wait. Who’s he talking about here?)

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An Update:

Occurring after this entry was posted, an anonymous user on wikipedia removed a mass of material at the Larouche wikipedia page from his autobiography “of sorts” — on “making Kant and Descartes and Leibnz his peers” and being not an “ugly duckling” but a “nasty duckling”. I leave it to you to determine if there was a connection between the two events, and at any rate the material has been restored by Will Beback.

Other wikipedia items: Est 300 wisely moved some material to the Amelia Robinson article, Waalkes moved it back, seeking a counter to views expressed by “Bakker” and a Larouche validator. To answer Javen’s question about the “HK Sock Puppet Menace” posed in Larouche Movement: Yes. A comedic moment is seen at the Views page with Cla68′s question, by way of sidelining King and Berlet, “Who is the biggest expert on Larouche’s philosophy than Larouche himself?”. (Curiously mixed in this is an argument that too much weight is given to his views on the Queen.) And, Sheldon Droden’s attention (by way of a Commentary piece about the Air America founder’s perchance with “Prescott Bush founded the Nazis”) and a Village Voice article were brought to bear to validate EIR.

3 New “Larouche used as insult” examples: Michelle Bachmann Maybe it was the sight of LaRouche supporters from the CEC turning up on King street in Newtown yesterday to do intellectual battle with the greenies that reminded me just how many loons there are in the world, and many of them as mad as march hares to boot.
At times Bachmann is right out there, if not in company with LaRouche, then in company with the desire to be as mad as a march hare.
Ron Paul IS a fringe candidate. In any other incantation of the republican party you would find his supporters at a folding table in the airport or your local strip mall. The fact that the republican party represents bat **** crazy makes him look relevant by comparison.
He reminds me a lot of Lyndon La Rouche………keep an eye out at a post office near you. He is running for the 20th. time.
AND… one removed for “short cut” insult purposes… Who Should replace Brian Haw in his unique activist role?
Nataliya Vitrenko. Little-known outside her native Ukraine and generally ignored within it, Ms Vitrenko makes up in volume, stridency and spray-can anti-Americanism what she lacks in presence.
She speaks vulnerable English, which will endear her to people who share their lives with cats, and has a catholic selection of banners that combine swastikas with the Stars and Stripes in the approved student manner. [...]
On the plus side she likes Lyndon LaRouche, a grim American conspiracy freakshow who fancies HM The Queen as head of an international cocaine cartel. This turbo lunacy would let Vitrenko outflank the 9/11 nutters on Parliament Square who pretend to Brian’s pitch.

xlcr4life@hotmail.com

[xlcr4life]

Larouche Mania 2011!



-We start of with a card table shrine in Texas and some funny comments. What is funny here is this:


The cult has the Queen of England as their enemy which is always good for some laughs.

No one knows, cares or just makes guesses about Larouche.

If they do, the word Cult will always show up.



http://www.atascocita.com/messages/l...gory_id=&page=

LaRouche
By: toss Jun 16, 2011 - 08:02 am

Who the heck is he? never heard of him before, yet he has been a politician for well over 30 years. I got in a small debate with some LaRouche supporters trying to raise money in front of the courthouse on will clayton last night.

according to them, Obama is controlled by the queen of england?

We need to get rid of billionaires and the large amount of people on welfare is no big deal.

When I told them that it is billionaires that sign my paycheck and give me a job, they responded that it was the billionaires that are robbing me, and that it is large banks that are taking my money, and the government taking upwards of 50% of my paycheck is no big deal.

Then I asked what party is LaRouche affiliated with. they said he was a rosevelt/kennedy democrat. I don't even know what in the heck that means.
comments:
Did they give you a handout?..............
no clue.........


they have in the past, they are trying to push NAWAPA. but after talking to them a few times now, it seems to me that they really don't want to change or accomplish anything other than you donate to his campign fund. I have asked them what bills I need to call my reps and ask them to vote for, and if they had a petition to sign, and nothing, but they were very adiment that I "pledge" some money to dethrone obama...........
I thought LaRouche always ran for the communist party, let me google that.

Hold one.

I stand corrected, he ran as either the Labor Party or a Dem.

He ran for President 8 times.

I don't recall hearing too much about him since I moved to Texas, but he was more vocal in the Chicago area when I was there.............
sounds like another life long politician to me..............

If I recall, my impression was more along the lines of Fidel and the like. Viva La Revolution! .......

Well if you are ever board, they seem to hang out at the courthouse a lot......
Lyndon LaRouche and his following have been around for 20-30 years. He is the founder of the "libertarian party" and is pretty much considered a kook. I believe he actually ran for president. You will often see his "followers" camping out in front of court houses and other public places handing out literature. Probably more accurately should be considered a cult. He was convicted of fraud and went to prison. I believe he once accused England's former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher of being a drug dealer.........
Is he a senator or a congressman? how does a whack job like this stay in politics? .......
No, he is a "political activist".......
well that explains why I didn't find his name on the list of leaders. His activists that I talked to made it sould like he was a sitting senator or something. They showed my pics of him talking to reagan and what not. and said that he wrote certain bills....

Once again, the dominant Larouche coverage is about an accused murderer in Quebec named Larouche.


-I still get a kick out of this because of how Lyn is being kicked under the bus for this guy.



http://rolf-witzsche.com/



http://witzsche.blogspot.com/2011/06...uche-this.html

A Study of Writings of Rolf Witzsche and Lyndon Larouche

...with discussion leader / host / moderator Rick Potvin.
INTRODUCTION
Rolf Witzsche has gripped me, cognitively, with his most lucid writing on the nature of the electric plasma nature of the universe and its implications, the major one being that we're heading directly into an ice age. It's immediately ahead. Even Lyndon Larouche whose writings have gripped me since 2000, is ignoring Witzsche. Larouche's economics is still highly relevent but the visionary human project cannot be what Larouche says... it's now a Witzsche led vision. (For the 50 latest posts here instead of the index , use the Atom feed just below).

The folks at God Like, a usually jabroni rich source also goof on the latest LPAC news.



http://www.godlikeproductions.com/fo...age1532566/pg1



This really is a WTF moment for the cult because now convicted murderer Claude Larouche has enjoyed far more press coverage instead of Lyndon Larouche. Go figure.



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[borisbad]

Hmmmmmm. I wonder if this could be the punctum saliens for Sky
When I first came around the LC I was told that several of the Black LC leadership previously were into Jazz and performed in bands. How did this segment react to this? I can't recall any complaints or critiques of "The racist roots of Jazz" Campaigner. It is very 1984ish that what became acceptable to the same leadership in the cult and among members is the singing of Negro Slave Spirituals in the local office before heading out to the "field" to card table shrine each morning.



So much for a cult anthropologist to study.




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I am sure LaRouche would not admit it today (I wonder if the early Strategy for Socialism conferences were recorded) but in the 70s Lyn was very sympathetic to Charlie Parker one of the jazz pioneers of the 40s. He spoke at a Strategy for Socialism conference (I think it was around the time that the Next Step and the DFLP spoke) talking about the genius of Parker while also saying that many black musicians got into jazz simply because they couldn't get into performing in classical orchestras (I think the same argument was made for Scott Joplin being a classically trained pianist). Then the thinking went from simply descrying blacks gaining entrance into classically based music into lambasting people like George Gershwin and European elitists (Jewish of course) as being fosterers of evil jazz upon the black population. The same description was of course used for the "British" roots of reggae music in Jamaica.

[Kellezi]

I am sure LaRouche would not admit it today (I wonder if the early Strategy for Socialism conferences were recorded) but in the 70s Lyn was very sympathetic to Charlie Parker one of the jazz pioneers of the 40s. He spoke at a Strategy for Socialism conference....

One thing I find amusing is how most LaRouchites seem to deny that LaRouche himself was ever a Marxist, at least semi-nominally. Although by 1974 LaRouche was already beginning his road to cult stardom, it's rather clear that early Executive Intelligence Review (which began in 1974) issues were fairly left-wing. Not to mention The Campaigner. Not to mention that LaRouche still cites Luxemburg as a great theoretician, at least as far as the "mass strike" goes.

See, for instance, the Oakland branch of the WLYM's pamphlet page: http://wlym.com/~oakland/pamphlet.html

July 1972 "A Critique of the Zero Growth Movement Blueprint For Extinction" A decent early Labor Committee economic pamphlet, if you just leave out the silly communist terminology.

Yeah, that silly communist terminology. I wonder how it could been put in there. We all remember he who shall not be named going on about how Dennis King was somehow still a Maoist after all these years, but I wonder how that same person (who is now banned) feels about the early Trotskyist/Luxemburgist views of LaRouche? Views LaRouche held up until 1977-78, when he dropped them as dramatically as many a Soviet bureaucrat dropped their "Marxism-Leninism" in the 1989-1991 period.

Of course LaRouche's "The Conceptual History of the Labor Committees" shows beyond doubt that LaRouche considered himself a Marxist: http://laroucheplanet.info/pmwiki/pm...ptualHistoryLC

Just to think, if LaRouche had kept his Marxism he'd be in so worse of a condition right now. No alliances with sections of the CIA, no spying on behalf of reactionary governments (Noriega's Panama, apartheid South Africa, etc.), no exciting "maverick" electoral campaigns, just a Trotskyist/Luxemburgist version of the Revolutionary Communist Party USA, only with 10x more cult and probably 70% or so less membership.

@xlcr4life, that forum post you quoted about how the LaRouchites were presenting LaRouche as someone he wasn't seems the norm for any cult. A guy I know says that LaRouchites in his area describe EIR as a sort of CIA 2.0.

[Xandufar]

If one accepts Xandufar's assurances of Sky Shield's "true" response to LaR's little remark, then I am surely far worse off than Dennis. I think his interpretation is rather mild.

I thought that LaRouche's joke was EXPLICITLY aimed at Sky -- that LaRouche was calling Sky a chimpanzee.

Why would LaR stoop so low?

Because Sky explicated some concepts in a half-way intelligible manner -- in a manner far clearer than LaR ever succeeded in presenting. The old man simply got jealous and made a sadist, demeaning joke.

Apparently you are "far worse off".

[Kellezi]

It looks like there's another foul plot afoot to defame the mighty LaRouche and his plans to save mankind as we know it.

http://www.larouchepub.com/pr_lar/20...use_v_lar.html

Senior U.S. intelligence officials pointedly warned that the Obama White House and campaign organization are in the process of conducting a major campaign against LaRouche and associates...

Leading Democratic Party figures explained this bizarre behavior from the standpoint that the Democrats fear that the demise of President Obama will bring Lyndon LaRouche to the fore as the only serious political leader who dared speak the truth about Obama and his British controllers...

This is deadly serious business. Both the intelligence community and Democratic Party sources conveyed their reports out of a deep sense of patriotism, and out of the recognition that if the Office of the Presidency is deployed to suppress LaRouche's voice at this critical juncture, the United States is doomed, and the rest of civilization goes down as well...

Much more will be flushed out concerning this criminal operation by the Obama forces over the coming days. For the time being, these essential facts speak for themselves.

This is yet another thing cults do to keep up the frantic pace of things. Jim Jones claimed that there were various conspiracies against his group, as did Gerry Healy. Such have three purposes:

1. Scare cult members into submission;
2. Keep cult members on constant, unjustified levels of "alertness" for "threats" to the cult that don't really exist;
3. Present the cult as making breakthroughs and/or being so important that it has reached the stage wherein it is now in danger of being suppressed.

Since LaRouche tends to use a very advanced and refined method of economic forecasting known as "say that bad things will happen until they do and then claim credit for 'predicting' said bad things while ignoring the other times you were wrong" (also known as the LaRouche-Conman Method) which he has skilfully employed for about 50 years now, we can expect to see the present trend of LaRouche taking unpopular things at the moment and adding them into the conspiracy of the British oligarchy, and occasionally releasing "press statements" about how LaRouche and/or his group is in danger of being suppressed and/or worse things, up until the day Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr. breathes his last.

Speaking of the reactionaries mentioned in my last post, there's something to be said about Noriega. Dennis King talked a fair bit about the LaRouche-Noriega relationship in the 1980's.

http://lyndonlarouchewatch.org/fascism38.htm
http://lyndonlarouchewatch.org/larou...sm6-panama.htm

But then there's this issue of the EIR:
http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/publi...817/index.html
Specifically: http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/publi..._was_ouste.pdf

This August 1982 article by one Gretchen Small appears to say something quite different about the later-to-be-described-as-noble Noriega:

Next in line in the power struggle is the head of Panamanian National Guard Intelligence, Col. Manuel Noriega, the widely acknowledged kingpin of drugs and prostitution in the Guard. Colonel Noriega "has as close contacts with CIA director William Casey as with Fidel Castro," as Jeremiah O'Leary put it in a recent Washington Times analysis, placing Noreiga as an asset of the networks of Anglo-American intelligence who have long-established cooperation with the worst elements in Soviet intelligence.

The strategic significance of Noriega's rise is the following. During the Malvinas battles in the South Atlantic, British policymakers began putting out the word that the strategic significance of the Malvinas Islands lay in their position guarding the trade routes through the Magellan Straits, the only trade route that could replace the Panama Canal should that canal be taken over in a process of internal chaos in Panama.

Colonel Noriega is just the kind of operative who could carry out such a destabilization of the Canal. Ironically, with the ouster of Royo with American aid, Noriega is now all the better situated for such a task.

Wow, from being a British agent to becoming a great guy. I wonder if Noriega or his aides ever briefed the LaRouchites about Noriega's supposed service to the oligarchy, and how Noriega heroically broke with them to instead serve humankind.

[fightapathy]

I assure you that Sky Shields understood the joke and was not uncomfortable in any way. I know Sky Shields. I helped to recruit him. In fact, I was on the squad that met him for the first time. The man's a genious.

Genius he may well be. That is not being discussed. What IS being challenged, however, is why a genius must be subjected to poor treatment by his elders.

Body language further suggests a genius with remarkable self-control. He cannot completely disguise his discomfort, but he certainly works hard to do so.

I am unconvinced as to whether THE DEAR LEADER targeted Sky for humiliation. Considering past experiences related here and elsewhere, however, its entirely within Lyn's ability to do so. I suppose it depends on his mood.

For example, NIGEL [Jeff Steinberg] in the latest Weekly Report summed up "the current situation" quite nicely, which earned from Lyn a stuttered "Well, that's how it is, isn't it?" to which a massively relieved Jeff burst out in a gleeful giggle. Lyn did not target Jeff for humiliation in this case, but perhaps that's because he's gotten enough of that in the past. Who knows.

The fact that you or anyone else might percieve racism can only indicate ignorance. It can only be that you ... allow yourself to think at a level approaching that of one who allows themself to think at the level of an ignorant racist, and, therefore, allows racist thinking to influence their judgement. In other words, get your mind out of the gutter!

What you refer to is where the vast majourity of the populace dwells, thanks to pop culture and political correctness bordering on terror. Like it or not, people have been conditioned to infer racism at every opportunity.

That is why THE DEAR LEADER was playing with fire by making such a joke to begin with.

[howie]

Watching "Where does a gorilla go to vote?" brought to mind a call-in from an 90 year old from a year back, which brought me to a few other CSPAN moments of discomfort for the hosts. I make no definite conclusions from this -- and the situation is significantly different (the CSPAN hosts are sitting out for the next caller and wanting to graciously thank the caller -- Larouche might be testing for Shields's loyalty but at any rate Shields is a subordinate to him), but I think it is worth watching and looking at body language cues.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dod-v8RLiWc

"I'm 90 years old and I just wanted to ask the Colored Man -- Why don't Colored People instead
of saying what we did to them, say what we did for them." The host crosses his hand.
"They talk about the slavery --"
Looks up in exasperation.
"Since then, they've been given welfare, free medicine"
Lips moves to the side.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YRQlUsdA3U
"I'd like to make a little respectful criticism about CSPAN. The last two
guys I know were White Guys."
It would be worth counting the number of times he looks over to the paper on the side, and pushes his pen.

2 CSPAN callers about Michael Steele "Won't Support him because he's black."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUBzh9KpFeY
She shuffles the paper to the side, then stares blankly ahead. The second caller sees a paper shuffle, and in the "straight look ahead" we see a few small movements.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJZhjvI9ZSU
Shields's forced laughter comes first, and is longer than the woman's, who offers only a tepid couple of quiet "hee hees". Sky Shields was moving his pen around before the cut to Larouche. When the camera comes back to the room, he shifts his elbows, has his hand over his head, and looks away.