LaRouche continued 6

[friend]

Poverty is defined as a state of privation and a lack of necessities. It is also defined as the state of one who lacks a usual or socially acceptable amount of money or material possessions. According to the U.S. Census Bureau data released Tuesday September 13th, 2011, the nation's poverty rate rose to 15.1% (46.2 million) in 2010, up from 14.3% (approximately 43.6 million) in 2009.

Still waiting for the violence committed by LaRouche. Operation Mop Up hardly qualifies.

[kheris]

Still waiting for the violence committed by LaRouche. Operation Mop Up hardly qualifies.

Let me guess, not enough bodies for you? From WIKI

LaRouche wrote in his 1987 autobiography that violent altercations had begun in 1969 between his NCLC members and several New Left groups when Mark Rudd's faction began assaulting LaRouche's faction at Columbia University.^[28] Press accounts alleged that between April and September 1973, during what LaRouche called "Operation Mop-Up," NCLC members began physically attacking members of leftist groups that LaRouche classified as "left-protofascists"; an editorial in LaRouche's New Solidarity said of the Communist Party that the movement "must dispose of this stinking corpse."^[29] Armed with chains, bats, and martial-art nunchuk sticks, they assaulted Communist Party, SWP, and Progressive Labor Party members and Black Poweractivists, on the streets and during meetings. At least 60 assaults were reported. The operation ended when police arrested several of LaRouche's followers; there were no convictions, and LaRouche maintained they had acted in self-defense.

LaRouche may not command armies of thousands, but those folks in Operation Mop Up received direction and deliberately set out to assault people. It was on the same level as a gang rumble, although they now use drive by shootings instead of hand to hand combat.

[dking]

Let me guess, not enough bodies for you? From WIKI

LaRouche wrote in his 1987 autobiography that violent altercations had begun in 1969 between his NCLC members and several New Left groups when Mark Rudd's faction began assaulting LaRouche's faction at Columbia University.^[28] Press accounts alleged that between April and September 1973, during what LaRouche called "Operation Mop-Up," NCLC members began physically attacking members of leftist groups that LaRouche classified as "left-protofascists"; an editorial in LaRouche's New Solidarity said of the Communist Party that the movement "must dispose of this stinking corpse."^[29] Armed with chains, bats, and martial-art nunchuk sticks, they assaulted Communist Party, SWP, and Progressive Labor Party members and Black Poweractivists, on the streets and during meetings. At least 60 assaults were reported. The operation ended when police arrested several of LaRouche's followers; there were no convictions, and LaRouche maintained they had acted in self-defense.

LaRouche may not command armies of thousands, but those folks in Operation Mop Up received direction and deliberately set out to assault people. It was on the same level as a gang rumble, although they now use drive by shootings instead of hand to hand combat.

Kheris, I agree with the basic point you make, but it should be pointed out that Wikipedia, as quoted, seems to confuse Operation Mop Up with the battles with black nationalists that mostly occurred after Mop Up ended, and also with "Operation Counterpunch," a West Coast version of Mop Up that targeted Maoists, as from the Revolutionary Union (later the RCP) and other ultraleftists. When Mop Up ended I was still in the PLP (was expelled that summer) and if any attacks had been made on PLP members I would have heard about it. It is possible that West Coast PLP members were attacked during the later Operation Counterpunch, but I'm skeptical--PL was aversive to the counterculture and drugs, and to the prototerrorist wing of SDS, so the LaRouchians simply didn't regard them as an enemy to the same degree. Wikipedia's figure of 60 assaults sounds a bit high for Mop Up, but if the figure is a result of conflating all three waves of attacks it might be accurate. (I am writing this from memory without my research files in front of me, so I could be wrong on part or all of the above.)

On thing that Not-friend is apparently not aware of is that members of the LaRouche organization were arrested for assault in several cities, and that the targets of assault formed defense squads in several cities (why would they do that if they didn't feel threatened?) and began to fight back. LaRouche called off Mop Up because his own followers were becoming very reluctant to continue it. They were afraid of jail sentences and also of getting hospitalized by the defense squads. LaRouche called it off and declared "victory," but subsequently launched the other two waves of violence. The reason that members were willing to participate in Counterpunch was because they were West Coast members who had not gone through the arrests and counterattacks of Mop Up, which was an East Coast and Detroit operation.

[friend]

Let me guess, not enough bodies for you? From WIKI

LaRouche wrote in his 1987 autobiography that violent altercations had begun in 1969 between his NCLC members and several New Left groups when Mark Rudd's faction began assaulting LaRouche's faction at Columbia University.^[28] Press accounts alleged that between April and September 1973, during what LaRouche called "Operation Mop-Up," NCLC members began physically attacking members of leftist groups that LaRouche classified as "left-protofascists"; an editorial in LaRouche's New Solidarity said of the Communist Party that the movement "must dispose of this stinking corpse."^[29] Armed with chains, bats, and martial-art nunchuk sticks, they assaulted Communist Party, SWP, and Progressive Labor Party members and Black Poweractivists, on the streets and during meetings. At least 60 assaults were reported. The operation ended when police arrested several of LaRouche's followers; there were no convictions, and LaRouche maintained they had acted in self-defense.

LaRouche may not command armies of thousands, but those folks in Operation Mop Up received direction and deliberately set out to assault people. It was on the same level as a gang rumble, although they now use drive by shootings instead of hand to hand combat.

There were no bodies at all. "They" use drive by shootings? Who? I can't recall a single case of gun-play with LaRouche's "worldwide terror army" can you? Outside of the wild stories of machete wielding death squads. Of course, like the rest of this the US government took no action against any citizen associated with LaRouche for the South American death squad attacks on indigenous people. It is a story. Like a smear campaign, like calling someone a Jew hater or a cult member.

As far as Mop-Up goes: more people get hurt at weekend football games.

It looks to me like people attacked them physically and they defended themselves.

You leave out the most important part: there were no convictions.

This might be some sort of cult fantasy? It reminds me a bit of the kidnapping that never happened.

If there were all of these assaults and arrests were made why no convictions? You quote Wiki saying there were 60 assaults but the DA could not make one single case stick?

LOL

[Ciampion]

http://presidentielle2012.canalplus....e?video=611926

A link to a comical conversation produced by France's Canal Plus with Monsieur Cheminade.

I understand a bit of French, but the parts that should be obvious to everyone who watches it are that Jacques spends almost the entire interview defending or disowning Larouche's past anti-Semitic or gay bashing statements.

C'est la guerre, Jacques!

[dodge]

I read something by Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr. in one of his articles saying that the President of the United States is a “British puppet,” who “intends to unleash an intended, full-scale, thermonuclear-weapons-launch against Russia, China, and related targets.” He calls Obama the “British tool, the Emperor Nero-mimic.”

http://larouchepac.com/node/21981

LaRouche goes on about how Obama is Britain’s “mentally deranged puppet,” who has “an unbalanced mind;” and how the “British monarchy intents to kill off all but about one billion of the world’s present, seven billion human beings,” that may “set off an extinction of the human species.”

Huh? I had no idea how insane Lyndon LaRouche and his minions were. He wrote that the British and “their nominally American puppet-President, Obama, are following the Hitler-like, war-criminal actions of the Obama puppet-regime in Libya.”

You got to be kidding me! LaRouche writes that the President is “mentally depraved,” and his goal is to launch a thermonuclear attack under the influence of the British Empire?

Now I understand why the poster known as “Friend” mentions Hitler so much; because he's been indoctrinated into LaRouche rhetoric. In another article called “LaRouche: Obama Has Revived Hitler’s Genocide Program,” hge rants on about how President Obama has “adopted Hiter’s program,” how Obama “has a Nero complex,” and how “Hitler’s policy is now being echoed by Obama.”

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/200...ve_hitler.html

Hitler, Great Britain, Obama…conspiracy theories involving Queen Elizabeth II, the British Royal Family, and a plot to control the world’s political economy and the international drug trade. The Queen of England one of the world’s foremost drug dealer?

The Jewish Anti-Defamation League has a lot to say about Lyndon LaRouche and his comparison of President Obama to Adolph Hitler, and his “record of advancing conspiracy theories linking the AIDS crisis, the drug epidemic and international financial crisis to prominent Jews and Jewish organizations,” and employing “Holocaust imagery to express his opposition to a wide range of political issues.”

http://www.adl.org/main_Extremism/larouche_obama.htm

The ADL calls Lyndon LaRouche a “notorious American anti-Semite,” who has “paranoid beliefs.”

http://www.adl.org/main_Arab_World/zayed_center.htm

I’m starting to grasp just how insane Lyndon LarRouche and his political cult is. I had no idea.

[dodge]

The Obama/Hitler rhetoric seems to be a standard talking point amongst the LaRouche cult. Rachel Brown, who is running for a Massachusetts seat in Congress as a “LarRouche Democrat,” wrote an article on her website called Dump Obama! Hitler Was a British Puppet Too, dated 15 MAR 2012.

http://rachelbrown.net/node/60

Unbelievably, she accuses, amongst others, Prescott Bush, George W. Bush’s grandfather, of funding Adolf Hitler! She’s talking about Bush being one of the directors of the Union Banking Corporation that was suspected of holding gold on behalf of Nazi leaders in 1942. What she doesn’t tell us is that a subsequent government investigation disproved those allegations, and that Bush’s involvement with UBC was purely commercial and that he was not a Nazi sympathizer. The Jewish Anti-Defamation League agrees with that assessment:

“Rumors about the alleged Nazi ties of the late Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, have circulated widely through the Internet in recent years. The charges are untenable and politically motivated. Despite some early financial dealings between Prescott Bush and a Nazi industrialist named Fritz Thyssen (who was arrested by the Nazi regime in 1938 and imprisoned during the war), Prescott Bush was neither a Nazi nor a Nazi sympathizer.”

(Jewish Anti-Defamation League, Prescott Bush’s Alleged Nazi Ties, 16 DEC 2003)

http://www.adl.org/Internet_Rumors/prescott.htm

Rachel Brown goes on to toe the LaRouche line that the British Empire wants “to go into thermonuclear war involving Russia and China,” and “remove the criminally insane Obama by the 25th Amendment of the Constitution.” This amendment to the Constitution has to do with replacing the President because of an inability to perform his duties while in office. What’re these LaRouche cult members saying? President Obama is mentally ill so we have to replace him? Now that’s crazy! These people have drunk LaRouche's Kool-Aid and it's made them into his cultic minions.

When Rachel Brown confronted Barney Frank with her LaRouche Obama/Hitler/Nazi rhetoric while holding a picture of the President with a Hitler mustache, he threw up his arms and said “On what planet do you spend most of your time? You stand there with a picture of the president defaced to look like Hitler and compare the effort to increase health care to the Nazis. Trying to have a conversation with you would be like trying to argue with a dining room table. I have no interest in doing it.”

Well said, Barney!

[borisbad]

In NJ there has been a recent case involving what has been described as "cyber-bullying" where a college roommate had a webcam that captured interludes of his roommate having a homosexual liaison with another college student. Shortly afterwards, the victim jumped off the GWB (since LaRouche hates gays he would probably rejoice). The roommate was charged with a hate crime. While I have some difficulties with the legal premises of the case as to whether the filming episode was the trigger for the victim committing suicide or whether there were other things going on, the upshot remains that, regardless of intent, the filmer was found guilty on certain counts. It has certainly been upheld that committing certain acts that result in a person committing suicide, even if unintentional, can be considered a crime even if it is not murder. Thus, let's agree that Lyn and Tony Papert's tirade against people like Ken K. (the boomers) combined with the financial destruction of PMR that was going to place Ken on the hook with the IRS for actions precipitated by Lyn, could at least contribute to a person committing suicide.

[friend]

In NJ there has been a recent case involving what has been described as "cyber-bullying" where a college roommate had a webcam that captured interludes of his roommate having a homosexual liaison with another college student. Shortly afterwards, the victim jumped off the GWB (since LaRouche hates gays he would probably rejoice). The roommate was charged with a hate crime. While I have some difficulties with the legal premises of the case as to whether the filming episode was the trigger for the victim committing suicide or whether there were other things going on, the upshot remains that, regardless of intent, the filmer was found guilty on certain counts. It has certainly been upheld that committing certain acts that result in a person committing suicide, even if unintentional, can be considered a crime even if it is not murder. Thus, let's agree that Lyn and Tony Papert's tirade against people like Ken K. (the boomers) combined with the financial destruction of PMR that was going to place Ken on the hook with the IRS for actions precipitated by Lyn, could at least contribute to a person committing suicide.

Let's not agree but if we must let's add your harassment of cult members being the catalyst for driving them over the edge. If we are forced to agree let's put Dennis King at the top of that indictment - for cyberbullying.

I've been cyberbullied by many of you merely because I support NAWAPA.

[xlcr4life]

How about a faux New Solidarity Headline and intro for old time's sake?



Mass starvation to begin before this weekend

Recent events within the past 48 hours indicate that US economist and statesman Lyndon H. Larouche has been proven correct about the mass starvation of billions occurring by this Friday. Sources close the Queen of England have echoed the warnings of Larouche's world historical webcast in January..........

Larouche is Right 2012



-Only mere days before mass deaths begin due to the vanishing of food supplies, the Washington Pot brings in Larouche to save humanity. I am certain that there is some sort of code used by the Post here .



http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...URNS_blog.html

...On May 7, 1996, only 8.4 percent of Democratic voters turned out to overwhelmingly renominate Bill Clinton for a second term over Lyndon LaRouche. On May 2, 2000, 8.8 percent of Democrats showed up to give a similarly overwhelming victory to Vice President Al Gore over LaRouche. (New Jersey Sen. Bill Bradley had dropped out by that point.)...

-Whoops, wrong Larouche again! At first glance reading "The results of Larouche's experiments, which were conducted in the laboratory of senior researcher " on the google search made sense.



http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-03-...ls-optics.html

..

"In addition to holograms, the approach we developed easily extends to a broad range of optical devices," Larouche said. "If realized, full three-dimensional capabilities open the door to new devices combining a wide range of properties. Our experiments provide a glimpse of the opportunities available for advanced optical devices based on metamaterials that can support quite complex material properties."

The results of Larouche's experiments, which were conducted in the laboratory of senior researcher David R. Smith, a professor of electrical and computer engineering, appeared in an advanced online publication of the journal Nature Materials. The research was supported by the Army Research Office's Multidisciplinary University Research Initiative (MURI)....

-Cheminade coverage. How long before that Paris apt gets signed over?



http://www.english.rfi.fr/france/201...ntial-election

Ten left standing - the candidates who made it to the 2012 French presidential election





Ten candidates have made it through the procedural obstacle course to stand for president of France in 2012. They range from the incumbent to a disciple of US conspiracy theorist Lyndon Larouche..................



Jacques Cheminade: It is a mystery how 71-year-old Cheminade - the oldest candidate – managed to collect the required number of signatures. Certainly not from supporters of his tiny party, Solidaire et progrès (Solidarity and Progess), which combines opposition to finance capital with conspiracy theories inspired by American ex-Trotskyist maverick Lyndon Larouche....

-Back to normal at the card table shrines and carcinogen filled intersections. Tony Defranco has been in several cities card table shrining4life. Here he is in Chicago working an interesection and is a "volunteer". Tony please. You were in Boston when we were committing credit card fraud and shipped down to the NY region in the 1980s when serious questions were being asked. We gave you 5 bucks a day and you saw a few members shipped out of the country to Europe from the Boston office. I wouldn't be smiling doing intersection deployments since you are inhaling carcinogens for several hours a day, for 3 decades. The long term effects can catch up with you and you are hitting that age when older LCers begin to experience significant changes in their health. Get health ins, get out of the street and see a doctor for full physical with blood work, a breathing test, chest X-ray, urine test etc. Your body and mind have been under 35 years of constant stress in the cult of the never ending dance of the Larouche Apocalypso.



http://www.chicagotalks.org/2012/03/...o-alternative/

Anti-Obama LaRouche Supporter Sees Republican Candidates as No Alternative



Anthony Defranco, 55. Volunteer for the LaRouche Political Action Committee. From Chicago, but is currently standing on the corner of 75thand Main St. in Downers Grove, Illinois, handing out flyers.

q. So what brings you out to this major intersection on an 85 degree day?

a. Mostly because we’re on the verge of World War III, which most people don’t realize right now. They’re plotting for a war, inch by inch, towards either Iran or Syria, both of which would be fake wars.

q. I can see by your sign that you’re anti-Obama, but which of the Republican candidates do you see as a good alternative?

a. They’re the four horseman of the apocalypse. There are no alternatives. Our idea is to get Obama out…and then that will create a scramble in the Democratic and Republican parties and then hopefully we can get a new policy.

q. Will you be voting today?

a. Usually I vote all the time, but I really didn’t see any reason to vote right now. The election is not going to solve the problem. We’re in a deep economic collapse and it’s getting worse.

q. “Impeach Obama is sort of a strong message. Do you have a strategy for winning over moderates with this message?

a. A lot of people see that we’re in a crisis already. In various ways, people know the country is in trouble. We’re just telling them that, if you get Obama out of the picture, that’s sort of like the first step. The other main policy we’re pushing is Glass-Steagall, which is a Roosevelt policy that separates the banks; Wall Street from the commercial banks. That’s very necessary, but Obama’s against it and the Republicans are against it.

q. Is LaRouche officially endorsing anyone?

a. No, they’re not. I mean, Ron Paul, at least he’s against the war and he’s against the Federal Reserve. But he’s a Libertarian, so he’s got no clue.

q. So what do you do when you’re not handing out flyers?

a. This is what I do.

I can't get that picture of Tony Defranco out of my head .



http://www.chicagotalks.org/2012/03/...o-alternative/



Over the years you can see him being shipped to different cities to raise money. He really is a nice guy and you know what happens to nice people in this cult. He went from selling the "The Tavistock Grin" Campaigner to having "The Larouche Grin" while working the carcinogen filled streets, keeping Larouche healthy .



Let us also refresh our memories of why the past Tueday, March 20th 2012, the Vernal Equinox is so important for the cult. From January 9th, 2012.



http://larouchepac.com/node/21120

...They are now doing that. For example, by spring of this year, in the United States, by spring of this year, we will have a food shortage, which will be a genuine mass killer!

The comedy writes itself.

xlcr4life@hotmail.com

[eaglebeak]

Let's not agree but if we must let's add your harassment of cult members being the catalyst for driving them over the edge. If we are forced to agree let's put Dennis King at the top of that indictment - for cyberbullying.

I've been cyberbullied by many of you merely because I support NAWAPA.

This has a comic quality I cannot let pass. "Friend" is now claiming to have been "cyberbullied" by "many of you" for supporting NAWAPA.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, I do not believe anyone has opposed his support for NAWAPA (now, whether NAWAPA would work or not, whether it makes any sense or not, is a far different question).

I don't think anyone gives a hoot whether he supports NAWAPA or not. Or Glass-Steagall. Or Missions to Mars.

However, I do find objectionable "friend's" constant bludgeoning of other members of this chat board--like Dennis King, in the instance I quote in this post--for "harassment," "bullying," and the like.

It's simply not true. Inasmuch as "friend" has never been a member of the LaRouche org, and merely supports a few things (NAWAPA), how on earth would "friend" know what drove Ken Kronberg over the edge?

How on earth (being as how “friend” is not a member of the cult) does "friend" have the cult's "secret knowledge" required to claim such nonsense, when the printed page--morning briefings, transcripts of NC conference calls with Lyn and Ken both on them--are there for all to see that Lyn was bullying Ken?

If "friend" is not a member of the cult, how on earth does he manage to be so pitch-perfect in his invective? How does he manage to reproduce so accurately the internal mythology of the cult?

Forgive me for saying that I am afraid I don't believe "friend's" [i] I'm-just-an-innocent-bystander-here,-with-no-ax-to-grind[/] self-characterization.

In short, if "friend" is not in the LaRouche org, then I'm an elf in Santa's workshop.

And no, by saying that I'm not devilishly hiding my super-secret identity.

[On that idée fixe of "friend's," I don't think there was a reader of Factnet who didn't know from the time of my first post, or very shortly thereafter, who Eaglebeak was.

As to EIR exposing me, all EIR did was publish what I stated in the course of my court case--that I was Eaglebeak. Hard to see how that constitutes exposure.]

It's remarkable how so much of what "friend" says has either (1) no basis in fact (the Dennis-King-killed-Ken meme and most of the other twaddle) or (2) next to no basis in fact (the rest of the twaddle).

What it does have, however, is the blessing of the LaRouche cult--it is, as I noted above, the internal mythology of the LaRouche cult--which is why I find it so very difficult to believe that "friend" is just sitting out there somewhere in this big country of ours, detached, sending in thousand-dollar bills occasionally to support the cause of NAWAPA.

And in-between-times, posting vituperative attacks here on Factnet, targeting former members of the LaRouche cult or critics of the LaRouche cult. Such a strange hobby for an innocent NAWAPA supporter.

[Peter_Tennenbaum]

I've been cyberbullied by many of you merely because I support NAWAPA.

I thought you were going to "relax".

NAWAPA?!!!!!!!!!! That project is super controversial with high emotionality associated with it (the "high" here is, perhaps, your high as this does not ring true).

I don't recall EVER seeing a discussion here between you and ANYONE else concerning the LaRouche movement's support of NAWAPA OR simply the merits of NAWAPA. As always, of course, I could be wrong -- I don't read everything here.

But this "sounds" like a fake complaint. Bullied in cyberspace MERELY because of your support of NAWAPA?

WOW. I don't think that even YOU believe this. Bring in the sodium pentothal crew (in cyberspace, of course!).

I believe that you are flat out LYING. NAWAPA bullying is part of your new victim pose.

Point to a shred of evidence that "merely" this project is enough to get anybody motivated to respond. Does the Queen of England oppose NAWAPA? Perhaps, Prince Phillip (sic) objects because some frogs might have to move from their natural habitat. This would be a HUGE inconvenience, and you know there is a massive frog contingent here on FACTNET. I am beginning to see a possible source of a most serious paranoid delusion (if I am wrong and you really believe this... ). But again, perhaps I am wrong. Please bring a relaxing response.

[Ciampion]

Let's not agree but if we must let's add your harassment of cult members being the catalyst for driving them over the edge. If we are forced to agree let's put Dennis King at the top of that indictment - for cyberbullying.

I've been cyberbullied by many of you merely because I support NAWAPA.

LOL So file a police report and tell them how you can't sleep at night because the meanies at FACTnet think Larouche is a FRAUD, and they disagree with things you say about him. I'll put myself in my girlfriend's handcuffs right now and wait for them to come for me.

I suggest everyone else here do the same.

Cuz clearly we've gone too far.

Friend is losing it.

Grow up DUDE

[borisbad]

LOL So file a police report and tell them how you can't sleep at night because the meanies at FACTnet think Larouche is a FRAUD, and they disagree with things you say about him. I'll put myself in my girlfriend's handcuffs right now and wait for them to come for me.

I suggest everyone else here do the same.

Cuz clearly we've gone too far.

Friend is losing it.

Grow up DUDE

I would suggest perhaps he sit down with Tony Papert for instructions on how to stand up to bullying tirades, being told he's a worthless boomer (what is Friend's age anyway?), being told he is desirous of having sex with dogs or rats, and a worthless dreg of humanity who doesn't have the will to survive. Or listen to an NC member berate an organizing team or phone team for failing to raise quota ("no Sunday evening off for you!").

[friend]

Having sex with dogs and rats? LOL

Tony Papert seems like a nice man. I think I will send in 1000$ tomorrow when I get paid and mark it "for Tony" to show my support.

[eaglebeak]

Having sex with dogs and rats? LOL

Tony Papert seems like a nice man. I think I will send in 1000$ tomorrow when I get paid and mark it "for Tony" to show my support.

Well, Tony will certainly be tickled pink.

[borisbad]

Kheris, I agree with the basic point you make, but it should be pointed out that Wikipedia, as quoted, seems to confuse Operation Mop Up with the battles with black nationalists that mostly occurred after Mop Up ended, and also with "Operation Counterpunch," a West Coast version of Mop Up that targeted Maoists, as from the Revolutionary Union (later the RCP) and other ultraleftists. When Mop Up ended I was still in the PLP (was expelled that summer) and if any attacks had been made on PLP members I would have heard about it. It is possible that West Coast PLP members were attacked during the later Operation Counterpunch, but I'm skeptical--PL was aversive to the counterculture and drugs, and to the prototerrorist wing of SDS, so the LaRouchians simply didn't regard them as an enemy to the same degree. Wikipedia's figure of 60 assaults sounds a bit high for Mop Up, but if the figure is a result of conflating all three waves of attacks it might be accurate. (I am writing this from memory without my research files in front of me, so I could be wrong on part or all of the above.)

On thing that Not-friend is apparently not aware of is that members of the LaRouche organization were arrested for assault in several cities, and that the targets of assault formed defense squads in several cities (why would they do that if they didn't feel threatened?) and began to fight back. LaRouche called off Mop Up because his own followers were becoming very reluctant to continue it. They were afraid of jail sentences and also of getting hospitalized by the defense squads. LaRouche called it off and declared "victory," but subsequently launched the other two waves of violence. The reason that members were willing to participate in Counterpunch was because they were West Coast members who had not gone through the arrests and counterattacks of Mop Up, which was an East Coast and Detroit operation.

While you might be refering to Baraka in terms of your mention of the black nationalists, the gang warfare both with Baraka's New Ark Movement (mostly around the issue of the Newark Teachers Union) and Tony Imperiale's white organization, you did not mention the very active Newark violence which also involved the take over of the Newark City Council with subsequent arrests. I still remember some of the gang confrontations with LC members and their numchakas confronting both Baraka and Imperiale goons (I think the org. was more afraid of the latter). I don't remember any real heavy duty fights, they often smacked more of the type of fights you see on the baseball field. But it was definitely part of the culture of the time.

[Ciampion]

Having sex with dogs and rats? LOL

Tony Papert seems like a nice man. I think I will send in 1000$ tomorrow when I get paid and mark it "for Tony" to show my support.

Better investment; light $1000 worth of LPAC pamphlets on fire.

[borisbad]

Better investment; light $1000 worth of LPAC pamphlets on fire.

I beg to differ with you on this Ciampion since that would contribute to global warming and release possibly toxic compounds. Besides nowadays, they don't even print leaftlets, I think they want everyone to go online and download their own pamphlets to give out. Probably because they don't have a printshop anymore.

[fightapathy]

Irony of the Week: LaRouche chuckling while Alex Jones describes how Goldman-Sachs robs little old ladies.

I'm currently listening to Lyndon LaRouche's latest/greatest appearance on yesterday's Alex Jones Show. Its archived on the LPAC site. Give a listen around the 20:00 point, and you'll be treated to the Irony of the Week:

Alex Jones describes how Goldman-Sachs business practices are to rob their clients, such as little old ladies.

LaRouche cannot help himself and chuckles.

Is it a freudian thing? Does he find Goldman's crime spree amusing? Is it Jones being uptight that's so funny?

Or was he thinking of the joke John Hoefle told the other day about "BP and the Babyboomers"?