LaRouche continued 6

[Am95]

You think there were eyewitnesses to something OTHER than a suicide?

LOL really?

But these people are silent right? THREE cars hit Duggan. One dragged his body. None of them are saying murder. Do you suppose Duggan was murdered and then taken to this road and tossed out, like a doll, into traffic but no one saw it?

LOL

The cops let the driver's go before any serious investigation took place?

That is ludicrous. You "heard" that?

LOL

Let's put it this way: If Smith is driving down the road and someone jumps in front of his car going 70kmhr wouldn't there at least be a record of that person in the public domain. It was eyewitness testimony that should be on a police report. The Duggan family could simply confirm with the eyewitness that Jeremiah ran in front of the car before a crisis averting reaction could be engaged. Happens all the time

[poe]

You cite this so often that one is lead to believe that you actually think it is true. And it isn't. Surely you have a copy of Dope, Inc. (first edition) in which the Protocols are mentioned but not in the manner which you persistently suggest. And this question that "always seems to pop up" is always one raised by you. That's convenient. For your purposes. I suppose.

Is a digital copy of the first edition available anywhere online?

[chator]

There are no worldwide protests going on.

No mass strike.

It is a myth and besides if a few disgruntled Libyans, Egyptians, Wisconsinites, Ohioans, Irish, Indians, Greeks (seems 100,000 were on the cult mass strike delusion path there), etc. make some noise who cares? LaRouche has nothing to do with it and he never said there would be a mass strike.

I read here, over and over, there was no mass strike.

Football this weekend.

Somewhere.

Here's a press release from LPAC that contradicts your statement, http://www.larouchepac.com/node/17614.

Are you turning Benedict Arnold, ace? Contradicting your grand master!

LaRouche never said there would be a mass strike? What have you been doing for the last several years? Reading Superman comics? Were you not reading up on your daily dose of LaRouche propaganda around the time of the LaRouche fight over Obama's Nazi Health care bill? Every town in America was turning into a staging ground for a mass strike that would ouster Obama, faster than you can say, "up, up and away."

[Peter_Tennenbaum]

"They're peddling a conspiracy theory about..."

Ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And the winner is: LaR and his slaves!

The greatest living peddler of conspiracy theories is Lyndon H. LaRouche Jr.

He is a joke, even to many of his own followers, who hang on to whatever sanity they can find amidst his bizarre rants, by permuting the appropriate collection of words and symbols.

Yes, the Queen of England arranged for the German population to have implants put in their heads so that they would follow her every COMMAND to obey Adolf Hitler (the British Agent). The German population during the 1930s were all peace-loving humanists until the Queen of England managed to obtain total control over their every move--their every decision.

This is the same country where the Police would ALWAYS investigate, with absolute vigor and completeness, the death of a British Jew run over by cars driven by native German citizens.

Why? Because the Queen ordered them to do a shoddy investigation so that LaRouche's enemies could have something to attack him with.

Ha Ha. Big Conspiracy, Read All About It:

Britain Declares War on the United States!!!

Buy duct tape... the gasses are already leaking.

[borisbad]

Anyone with any intelligence realizes you have a hard-on for LaRouche.

Anyone with a "hard-on for LaRouche" as you put it would have to be suffering from necrophilia. Is that your problem, maybe it's even worse than the inflatable galpal.

[Peter_Tennenbaum]

What is murder, according to the law?

Is there a "simple" answer?

A simple cut and paste job from a Goggle search using the terms:

different types murder legal law

yielded the follow, pertaining to penal codes within the United States of America (in Germany, aka Nazi-Land, laws are "somewhat" different).

Note, of course, that this information could all be fraudulent--perhaps it appeared on the Web as part of the Queen's MASSIVE plot to destroy LaR and all his ideas (sic):

The legal definition of murder is the unlawful killing of another person. Each state throughout the U.S. classifies murder as a felony offense, but the penalties may vary substantially. Murder is categorized into degrees, which outlines the seriousness of the crime and the corresponding penalty. An individual who is charged with attempted murder could end up facing a longer prison sentence than someone convicted of involuntary manslaughter. The penalties for attempting to kill someone vs. accidentally killing another may be much harsher.

Various Types of Murder

The penalties and sentences imposed for the various types of murder can vary greatly in each state. California requires anyone convicted of second-degree murder to be sentenced to life in prison, whereas other states may prosecute the crime with a lesser sentence. Listed below are some general guidelines about the different types of murder and the penalties associated with the crime.

Criminal Offense

Definition of the Crime

Possible Prison Sentence

Criminal Offense: Capital Murder --
Definition of Crime: More Than One Person Killed or Taking the Life of a Police Officer
Possible Prison Sentence: Life in Prison or Death Penalty

Criminal Offense: First Degree Murder
Definition of Crime: Premeditated with Deliberate Intent
Possible Prison Sentence: 25 Years to Life in Prison or Death Penalty

Criminal Offense: Second Degree Murder
Definition of Crime: Reckless Indifference or Committed During the Heat of Passion
Possible Prison Sentence: 2 to 40 Years or Life in Prison With or Without the Possibility of Parole

Criminal Offense: Felony Murder
Definition of Crime: Person is Killed During the Commission of a Felony, such as Armed Robbery
Possible Prison Sentence: 25 Years to Life in Prison or Death Penalty Under Certain Conditions

Criminal Offense: Aggravated Murder
Definition of Crime:Victim Was Tortured or Under Age 14
Possible Prison Sentence: Life in Prison or Death Penalty for Aggravating Factors

Criminal Offense: Manslaughter
Definition of Crime:Killing a Person When Only Intending to Cause Serious Bodily Harm
Possible Prison Sentence: 2 to 20 years in State Prison

Criminal Offense: Involuntary Manslaughter
Definition of Crime: Accidentally Killing a Person
Possible Prison Sentence: 2 to 4 years in State Prison

Criminal Offense: Vehicular Homicide
Definition of Crime: Killing Someone With Your Vehicle, Intentionally Using Vehicle as a Deadly Weapon
Possible Prison Sentence: 3 to 15 years for First Degree

Defendant’s Facing Murder Charges

When criminal defendants are convicted of a serious crime, the judge or jury will consider whether aggravating or mitigating factors existed. A mitigating factor could be that the person was forced to commit the crime or was under extreme duress at the time. Aggravating factors could include the brutality of the crime, such as sexual assault, torture, or intending to profit from the crime. The sentence imposed could be less if mitigating factors were present or the death penalty could be imposed if aggravating factors were present when the crime was committed. Anyone facing murder charges requires the skill of an experienced criminal defense attorney to help defend their rights.

Earnest One February 27, 2011

[poe]

[B]
yielded the follow, pertaining to penal codes within the United States of America (in Germany, aka Nazi-Land, laws are "somewhat" different).

Why do you keep referring to Germany as "Nazi-Land"? Aren't there people there who are trying to help you save your wife? I bet the police who showed up at the scene of Duggan's death weren't even born yet in the 30's or 40's.

[Tarquin10]

I’m proposing a game to liven up this board, “Who Is Crazier, LaRouche or Qadaffi?”


The rules: Identify symptoms/behaviors which can apply equally to LaRouche and Qadaffi, and give one point per symptom to whichever one manifests the severest expression of it (no matter how significant or insignificant the symptom). The game was suggested by the obvious common characteristics between the two, such as proclivity to incoherent paranoid rants and lack of any sense of personal responsibility toward others.


At the end, the leader with the most points is the craziest. It should be a lot of fun, as we identify symptoms and try to their severity in the two leaders. There will opportunity for lively disagreements, and the point system will help keep things objective.


Here’s my contribution to get the ball rolling:


Symptom/Description
Incoherent paranoid rants: Despite Qadaffi’s recent efforts, nothing can top LHL’s consistent contributions, year after year, e.g. speech to organization of Chris White brainwashing, etc. in early 1970s
LaRouche: 1

Symptom/Description
Directly Responsible for deaths of innocents: Qadaffi hands down on this one.
Qadaffi: 1

Symptom/Description
Inability to manage personal affairs. Until recently, . Until the recent revolution, Qadaffi’s Libya maintained AAA- or BBB international bond ratings. Qadaffi has also managed to stash away wealth that other governments are attempting to freeze. LHL can’t balance a checkbook, lives hand-to-mouth on handouts solicited by his followers.
LaRouche: 1

Symptom/Description
Ignorance of economics: Qadaffi sent his son to earn a PhD at the London School of Economics, and has, per above, managed a country with a high bond rating, at the same time amassing personal wealth. Apart from numerous vanity publications, LaRouche has one out of print book of dubious quality to his credit. LaRouche clearly more ignorant, cannot be trusted to manage a national economy of any size.
LaRouche: 1

Symptom/Description
Inability to identify credentials. The fact that Qadaffi’s son actually has a PhD reminds us that LaRouche’s colleagues have on occasion been known to kite their academic credentials.
LaRouche: 1

Symptom/Description
Delusions of grandeur: Qadaffi, in charge of nation of 6 million or so, claims to be king of kings of Africa. LaRouche, heading an organization that is stuck around 1500 individuals at best (for the past 30 years), claims he is a world historical leader. Edge: LaRouche
LaRouche: 1

Symptom/Description
Substance Abuse: Edge LaRouche, based on lack of available evidence of any substance abuse by Qadaffi
LaRouche: 1

Symptom/Description
Poor parenting skills. While serving as leader of Libya, Qadaffi sent one son to London School of Economics and made him a leader in the regime; second son was named to national soccer team. LaRouche, by contrast, left most of the work of raising his offspring to ex-wife, while he pursued his activites.
LaRouche: 1

Symptom/Description
Negative impact on the lives of others. It’s clear that Qadaffi’s actions, right up to the present, has significant negative impact world affairs (such as oil markets), the 6 million or so people of Libya, and the unfortunate people his supporters are killing. It’s hard to detect any impact that LaRouche beyond the lives of those caught up in his organization.
Qadaffi: 1


Total
LaRouche: 7
Qadaffi: 2

Well, I seem to have LaRouche well ahead as the craziest — but that’s the fun of the game. I look forward to others' contributions.

[Peter_Tennenbaum]

To my knowledge, I was the first and only person to respond to the man who asked someone to post on what JT was actually doing now. I provided the latest information that I knew, as best I could at the time, in what I view as a fairly decent way (no rancor). If there is rancor, please provide an analysis. I would be happy to examine it for accuracy and competence.

Yes, I wrote up something decent about Jonathan Tennenbaum helping with my wife's case, and enlisting the help of Dr. Fritz Popp, Popp's son and some graduate students at a place called the International Institute of Biophysics.

There are usually at least two sides to every story, however. The people at that Institute (housed at a different building that what was advertised on their website at the time) were paid, and paid well for their time. My brother was paid in full--his travels fees and his time. I also contributed money to the Institute.

Note, however, that Jonathan had OTHER motivations for visiting that Institute -- indeed he discouraged me to travel there but nobody could figure a way to transfer biological materials (possibly hazardous) to Germany overnight. Dr. Popp and his Institute had ZERO official connections with ANY medical center in the USA. The other motivations of JT were altogether self-serving and had little to do with my wife -- they had to do with promoting his own work with his Russian physicist friend.

The pharmacist who delivered mistletoe extracts (the ONLY chemical agent considered as worthwhile for cancer treatments at that time by Dr. Popp) was also paid.

Their techniques yielded absolutely NOTHING of value. Further, I believe that the record will reflect that I helped them MORE than they helped me, as they told me they were having ZERO success obtaining ANY tumor samples in Germany to use in their experiments. This is rather odd, considering that cancer patients are everywhere and operations are performed hundreds of times a day in Germany, many of them close to Dr. Popp's headquarters.

I provided samples, and paid them for their work -- work which yielded nothing. Go to the their website: do you see any regimen for helping cancer victims? If so, please post that regimen and/or a study that yields some practical method of treating cancer. Dr. Popp (and others) have interesting ideas, none of which have yielded, to my knowledge, a singe cure or the extension of a single lifespan of someone diagnosed with terminal cancer.

In this area, one of the most famous cases is Susan Summers (sic) the well-known actress from a US TV sitcom "Three's Company); she went to Germany and used mistletoe extracts (one of many different concurrent therapies) for her breast cancer. She wrote a book about this, and other so-called "cures" for cancer. To my knowledge she does not mention Dr. Popp in her book.

Upon my return from Germany, I spent one hour with the head of the biophysics lab at a major university in NYC--someone I had known for 35 years. He has about 10 papers published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (USA) -- widely considered the best scientific journal in the world. He reviewed some papers by Popp et al, and then spent the next 45 minutes screaming at me that I had wasted my time and money pursuing an option that had zero scientific underpinnings. Screamed at me.

He suggested, repeatedly that I read a famous speech by a Nobel Prize Winner concerning scientific frauds, charlatans, and well meaning people who have simply lost their ability to think clearly and/or employ the scientific method -- often true believers who have lost their minds. It was not a pleasant experience, but it yielded tremendous information about this man and the originals of research claims about bio-photons. For a start on the origins of bio-physics, see, for example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Gurwitsch

Gurwitsch's original experiments were flawed (bad science) but his IDEAS are extremely interesting and later worked confirmed some aspects of his claims.

Later, I will post a link to this speech/essay by the Nobel Prize winner who mentions Gurwitsch and his original experiments and claims; it is very interesting and has points of contact with people trying to understand how LaRouche's "method" of attracting supporters works

Germany = Nazi-Land. It certainly used to be, officially, and not THAT long ago, given Larouche's long-term historical views.

Besides: I am simply using (very mildly) The Polemical Method. I am trying to obtain a feel for how it works, in practice. Ask LaRouche if it is a valid technique in the WAR TO SAVE HUMANITY FROM A NEW DARK AGES (and/or other like-minded purposes).

There are plenty of nice people in Germany. There are plenty of nice people who are Jews, even Zionists, in Israel.

Dennis King is a nice person, in my experience. I've never met him, but have talked with him for hours over the phone. He strikes me as a truly genuine, extremely decent human being. I disagree with him on some issues, but that does not create a war between us. I admire his courage and think it is absurd that he is part of some large plot to "get LaRouche" on anything other than LaRouche's own moronic statements and/or evil and delusional plans to take over the world.

I visited Germany, twice. It was a spooky place, to me. I experienced Nazi-like welcomes from many people. Friends of mine have reported the same. My father thought it was a great place, with wonderful people I proposed that he move there.

Modern Germans? Well, so what if your mother and and father were members of the Nazis who wanted to exterminate human beings because they had some insane theory that they represented the superior race.

Surely, after only one generation, this vanished, completely from Germany (sarcasm).

Earnest One February 23, 2011 [written quickly with possible minor mistakes]

[Peter_Tennenbaum]

Most people realize that the insect mind is rather small -- this is obviously via our sense of sight and our ability to grasp the concept of "scale" (1 is smaller that a trillion trillion; a moron is not as bright as the average Walmart employee, etc).

Now, some men/women surely suffer from an "occasional" delusion; others, however, exist in a full-blown delusional state, often typified by the belief that they have an important role in the world (delusions of grandeur). This has all be studied in detail.

Let's assume Darwin's theory -- which is probably wrong--but let's set that aside. If one were to descend down the so-called evolutionary chain from man to monkey to this to that to blah blah blah... finally arriving at very low level life forms, albeit highly functional (e.g., ants, spiders, fleas, flies)... if you scale down to their brain size, the question is: Would there exist some subset of these creatures that have the same sort of delusions of "mind" that, for example, some people experience?

I mean, while they are buzzing and crawling around the smelly pile of Goo (mentioned earlier), they might be smelling sweet nectar, or seeing God, or rainbows or experiencing some sort of insect-type Nirvana.

Earnest One, February 27, 2011

[xlcr4life]

There was one edition of Dope Inc among a few which were printed which have Lyn's statement about The Protocols having a " hard kernel of truth". There are tons of ex members and in the course of conversations questions are often raised about what happened in some instance from the past or why was some piece of lit released or statement made by Lyn. For the longest of time, members did not wish to talk about the LC after leaving since the King book had them painted as closet Nazi's in their minds. I am deeply indebted to Linda Ray for her article which very elegantly offers anyone today a well thought out summary. The circumstances about Dope Inc and The Protocols have not been answered and always will be interesting for members and non exmembers to figure out. I guess this is somehting pretty unique for our future reviewers.



http://lyndonlarouchewatch.org/larouche-linda-ray.htm



Linda Ray's article was not available for a while and the document that she described was something you could never find unless it was scanned in and placed on the web. The collection of the one edition of Dope Inc with the Protocols and Lyn's Holocaust numerology always leads to questions of just how did this all happen. I can't thihnk of a single member who demanded that our march to world power is dependent on that. The best I can come up with to explain The Protocols for a long time was that a large financial contributer requested that. Is that a cover story given after the complaints by members to pacify them? I sure would like to find out. 338 millon dollars gives us a great reason to question and try to find out what was going on.



HH has covered Dope Inc in his book on laroucheplanet.info This is one conclusion worth looking into.



http://laroucheplanet.info/pmwiki/do...NUGEN_HAND.pdf

...........

The core thesis of Dope, Inc. revolved around the idea that the world drug trade B particularly the drug networks based in Asia B were part of a ABritish intelligence@ plot against America allegedly centering on the Hong Kong Shanghai Bank (HKSB). The book attempted to link the narcotics business to the British aristocracy as well as to leading Jewish bankers. Most astonishing of all, the book even included a section endorsing the validity of the notorious anti-Semitic hoax, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion! At the same time that the NCLC was producing Dope, Inc., WerBell and his cronies in U.S. military intelligence were deeply involved in the formation of their own Adrug bank@ known as Nugan Hand. Nugan Hand's trail would lead back to a group inside the United States intelligence community known as ATask Force 157.@ TF-157’s members included some of the most notorious figures inside the secret world of American intelligence in the 1970s, such as Frank Terpil and Ed Wilson. The creation of Dope, Inc. may even have been part of a strange "disinformation" attempt by elements inside the U.S. intelligence community to divert attention from their own involvement in the international narcotics trade. ......................







CONCLUSION Given the fact that Dope, Inc. was being put together under the guidance of the NCLC's Security Staff in cahoots with the WerBell network just at the time that sections of the old TF-157 and AChina Lobby@ networks were building up a key drug bank like Nugan Hand, it seems legitimate to pose this key question: Was the production of Dope, Inc. one part of an intended disinformation project by disaffected fringe elements inside the U.S. intelligence community who may have been looking to drug networks to help finance them following the purges carried out by the Carter Administration? The best one can say is that certain print sources give reason to think that it may have been just that. 31

Yet no matter what back-room deals may or may not have been made, the failure of the NCLC to gain serious public support for LaRouche politically from the anti-Eastern Establishment wing of the military-industrial complex is obvious. It is even discussed in part in a 15 August 1978 NS attack by LaRouche on the APeace Through Strength@ group that he associated with the American Security Council (then headed by Admiral Moorer). LaRouche argued that people like Moorer wanted to confront the USSR militarily at the very time when America has lost its advantage in war-fighting capability, as evidenced by alleged Soviet breakthroughs in Soviet laser beam weapon technology. That the tiny NCLC=s long courtship of the American military elite ended in failure is not surprising. What is important for us is the way that the attempted connection to the militaryB just as with the NCLC=s attempted alliances with the Liberty Lobby B further distorted the organization politically. On the one hand, the NCLC throughout the 1970s was ostensibly a pro-Soviet and pro-East Bloc organization that even applauded the most hard-line elements behind the Iron Curtin. On the other hand, LaRouche also desperately tried to find some kind of base inside the bitterly anti-Soviet American far right and military-industrial complex. To try to justify his impossible attempt to pander to two diametrically opposite social blocs, LaRouche announced that the categories of Aleft@ and Aright@ were actually mythological and that real politics was a Asecret known only to the inner elite.@ Yet his attempt to get anyone outside of the small circle of the NCLC itself to accept his view was a total failure. It also led to such convoluted attempts to rationalize NCLC policy such as this gem from a 2 January 1976 NS article: AAll indications suggest that the so-called anti-detente faction is in fact pro-peace, although it consists of Cold War psychosis-hardened paranoiacs.@ 32

Needless to say, the NCLC’s bizarre politics left it wide open to claims that the group may really have been part of some East German or Soviet-sponsored attempt to infiltrate the American intelligence community by pandering to rightwing notions of Eastern Establishment cabals with a healthy dose of crazed anti-Semitism added to the mix for good measure. Given just how bizarre the NCLC had become after 1973, its activities could give rise to any number of conspiratorial views as to LaRouche’s "real" motive from arguments that stressed that he was a secret Neo-Nazi agent to claims that the NCLC was really a sophisticated Soviet Bloc intelligence gathering operation.

For LaRouche, however, the mirage of alliances with the likes of someone like a WerBell only helped drive him deeper and deeper into the never-never land of fringe American politics while further fueling his delusion that he had become a major player in a great covert chess game for world power. Now more than ever, LaRouche imagined himself a grand master of statecraft or Philosopher King even as the rest of the world viewed him more and more as an increasingly deranged pawn. In short, Dope, Inc. appears in retrospect more than anything else as an ugly and weird expression of a political opium dream.

If you are thinking of dropping out of colllege and devoting an average of 7 years of membership to this cult, I think that you should do some due dilligence and see what the history is. There is a whole world of interest in how Lyn and security were meeting people very few members knew about while a few years later, millions and millions were being siphoned off which few members knew about. There are a few dictators whom we supported along the way and the story behind those will also be interesting as info comes out.







The WSJ had an interesting article about cults recently. This article focuses on Religion, but the same sort of Cult 101 basics is found in the LC/LYM as well. Read this and see how many apply to our cult.



http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...=ITP_opinion_0

FEBRUARY 25, 2011

When Does a Religion Become a Cult?
America has long been a safe harbor for experimental faiths. But the unorthodox can descend into something darker.
By MITCH HOROWITZ
America has probably supplied the world with more new religions than any other nation. Since the first half of the 19th century, the country's atmosphere of religious experimentation has produced dozens of movements, from Mormonism to a wide range of nature-based practices grouped under the name Wicca.

By 1970 the religious scholar Jacob Needleman popularized the term "New Religious Movements" (NRM) to classify the new faiths, or variants of old ones, that were being embraced by the Woodstock generation. But how do we tell when a religious movement ceases to be novel or unusual and becomes a cult?

It's a question with a long history in this country. The controversy involving Hollywood writer-director Paul Haggis is only its most recent occurrence. Mr. Haggis left the Church of Scientology and has accused it of abusive practices, including demands that members disconnect from their families, which the church vigorously denies.

To use the term cult too casually risks tarring the merely unconventional, for which America has long been a safe harbor. In the early 19th century, the "Burned-over District" of central New York state—so named for the religious passions of those who settled there following the Revolutionary War—gave rise to a wave of new movements, including Mormonism, Seventh-Day Adventism and Spiritualism (or talking to the dead). It was an era, as historian Sydney E. Ahlstrom wrote, when "Farmers became theologians, offbeat village youths became bishops, odd girls became prophets."

When the California Gold Rush of 1849 enticed settlers westward, the nation's passion for religious novelty moved with them. By the early 20th century, sunny California had replaced New York as America's laboratory for avant-garde spirituality. Without the weight of tradition and the ecclesiastical structures that bring some predictability to congregational life, some movements were characterized by a make-it-up-as-you-go approach that ultimately came to redefine people, money and propriety as movable parts intended to benefit the organization.

[bMany academics and observers of cult phenomena, such as psychologist Philip G. Zimbardo of Stanford, agree on four criteria to define a cult. The first is behavior control, i.e., monitoring of where you go and what you do. The second is information control, such as discouraging members from reading criticism of the group. The third is thought control, placing sharp limits on doctrinal questioning. The fourth is emotional control—using humiliation or guilt. Yet at times these traits can also be detected within mainstream faiths. So I would add two more categories: financial control and extreme leadership.

Financial control translates into levying ruinous dues or fees, or effectively hiring members and placing them on stipends or sales quotas. Consider the once-familiar image of Hare Krishna devotees selling books in airports. Or a friend of mine—today a respected officer with a nonprofit organization—who recalls how his departure from the Rev. Sun Myung Moon's Unification Church was complicated by the problem of a massive hole in his résumé, reflecting the years he had financially committed himself to the church. [/b]

Problems with extremist leadership can be more difficult to spot. The most tragic cult of the last century was the Rev. Jim Jones's Peoples Temple, which ended with mass murder and suicide in the jungles of Guyana in 1978. Only a few early observers understood Jones as dangerously erratic. Known for his racially diverse San Francisco congregation, Jones was widely feted on the local political scene in the 1970s. He was not some West Coast New Ager gone bad. He emerged instead from the mainstream Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) pulpit, which sometimes lent a reassuringly Middle-American tone to his sermons.

Yet every coercive religious group harbors one telltale trait: untoward secrecy. As opposed to a cult, a religious culture ought to be as simple to enter or exit, for members or observers, as any free nation. Members should experience no impediment to relationships, ideas or travel, and the group's finances should be reasonably transparent. Its doctrine need not be conventional—but it should be knowable to outsiders. Absent those qualities, an unorthodox religion can descend into something darker.

Mr. Horowitz, the editor in chief of Tarcher/Penguin in New York and the author of "Occult America" (Bantam), is writing a history of the positive-thinking movement.

Larouche Mania 2011!



What abut the gool old days when you could just walk past an older LCer and enter the magical world of non fundraising ? Now you are the card table shriners, as we have "predicted" here.

Well, all dreams in the cult eventually end at a card table shrine, or a "promotion" to the boiler room.



http://lamorinda.patch.com/articles/...ey-post-office

LaRouche Petitioners Outside Rheem Valley Post Office

LaRouche Petitioners Outside Rheem Valley Post Office
Moraga Post Office
460 Center St, Moraga, CA

Readers inform us that the Impeach Obama people are back, this time setting up outside the U.S. Post Office in Rheem.

February 24, 2011


Section Sponsored By
Supporters of perennial presidential candidate and scofflaw Lyndon LaRouche are outside the Rheem Valley post office and apparently pushing buttons again.

Readers who find the group's anti-Obama message offensive told Lamorinda Patch the police have been called.

Usually working in teams of two, supporters have set up tables outside local post offices at least twice in recent weeks, asking passersby to sign a petition calling for the impeachment of President Obama and displaying a sign bearing an unflattering caricature of the president in a brush mustache.



Police were called for the LaRoocher's own protection. Professional agitators tend to push things - they're lucky no one punched them out.................



Comparing Obama to a Fascist? I thought his opponents called him a Socialist?? I wish they'd get their propaganda straight!!

Yeah, saw the table and the poster when I went into the post office 10 minutes before 6pm. They were gone by the time I left. Just as well. I hadn't decided what name to sign the petition with. Bart Simpson or Milli Vanilli?..



There were LaRouche people outside the Orinda P.O. a week or two ago. They were quite nasty in their approach, shouting at people going by, with a very unpleasant edge to their voices. Everyone was pretty much ignoring them.............

-What happens when a Jabroni posts that Lyn is the only forecaster who has been right in the past 40 years? What some people need to believe to justify that LPAC credit card charge.



http://newleft.tumblr.com/post/34170...-the-angelides

Hahahaha, LaRouche is crazy.........



larouche knows how to double the cube. do you know how to double the square?

Howie has a new column with all sorts of fine reading material. The links do not seem to show up, so find them via his article directly.



http://www.struat.com/election/2011/...-half/#respond

Countdown — the top 5 Larouche News Stories of the past week and a half
Maybe you disagree with my choices of stories? Ah well. Maybe next time, I’ll have your pet story up. (I don’t know what else shifts in the blogo and news sphere.) Also, this is something of a “count up” — 1 to 5 instead of 5 to 1.

STORY NUMBER ONE
WIKIPEDIA DELETES ANOTHER OF THOSE AMERICAN SYSTEM NON-PROFIT VOLUNTEERS: The biggest news story of the past couple of weeks — or week and a half depending on when I get around to post this — is, of course… world exclusive here, unless HK and Cla69 were ranting about it at wikipedia review — THE SOCK PUPPET Angel Flight account has been deleted.

By pushing this as the BIGGEST LAROUCHE NEWS STORY OF THE MOMENT, I am getting a head start on my theory of post Larouche death organizational shiftings — which is that a substantial portion will become unhinged off of the need to be tethered down by the weight of “Larouche” and float into the sphere of the Conspiracy Advocacy ala Tarpley, and that which remains fighting for the 1000 Year Legacy of the name Larouche will be devoting about 75 percent of its resources to editing wikipedia articles. (There’s still room in the remaining 25 percent to the post office tour, and etc.)

Cla68 is amazingly obtuse on the matter of “Angel’s Flight”, and seems strikingly interested in getting information back to the Larouche organization: Will, you and SV have said that this company where the edits supposedly originated (and no evidence of it has yet been presented) is “small”. Could you tell me how many people work there? If you don’t know, then how can you be so sure that HK was the person running the account? I can’t be sure based on “behavioral” evidence, because you have refused to share your evidence with me. What was the reason for that? Cla68 (talk) 23:46, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Your Larouche team clings mightily to their stray “validator” sources of succor:
@Cla, you have been concerned there was no POV pushing from Angel’s flight (Af). I saw some. Here is the LaRouche position something from Executive Intelligence Review (a LaRouche publication): “Obama’s so-called health-care reform, modelled as it is on both the Nazi T4 and the British NICE model, is riddled with procedures which will permit the cutting of care, from the comparative effectiveness studies to the Accountable Care Organizations. But the chief measure, as Office of Management and Budget chief Peter Orszag is at pains to stress, is the Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB), previously known as the Independent Medicare Advisory Board (IMAB), and popularly known as “death panels.”[4] Af came to death panel and would support text that overstated things (to LaRouche’s benefit). Here’s me calling Af’s POV out. Af was trying to link the IPAB (and NICE) to the word death panel by overstating-sources & giving undue weight, in my opinion. They took a mini-break then returned by adding back some OK content, but also some content (off-topic and Gratzer) that had already been decided against, fyi. Jesanj (talk) 17:34, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Jesanj, please don’t call something a “LaRouche position” which is discussed more widely by many more http://healthcarereform.procon.org/v...stionID=001528 participants than just LaRouche. 81.210.206.223 (talk) 18:22, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

That’s interesting, Angel’s flight pointed out that source too. Jesanj (talk) 20:15, 18 February 2011

Anyway… From this lofty building in Los Angeles – which, as described by Angel’s Flight is a non-profit from which he volunteers, the future of the Larouche faction of the Larouche organization marches into the future.

For what it is worth:
Current estimates show this company has an annual revenue of $500,000 to $1 million and employs a staff of approximately 1 to 4. Companies like American System Publications usually offer: Sweethaven Publishing Services, Web Publishing Services, American Publishers Service, Von Holtzbrinck Publishing Services and Educators Publishing Services.

But that’s less interesting than these anecdotes about how annoying their phone calls can be.

I do like Slim Virgin’s almost suggestion to, more or less, cut the sources down to Washington Post and the New York Times — currently the Larouchies at wikipedia are edging in meetings with World Leaders — as they shift through sources on who they met in Latin America, it lead to this comment:

Come on, Will, push! Push that POV! How close together are the contractions? Pachuco cadaver (talk) 15:43, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
Which leaves us to Delia Peabody wanting to expand the “international coverage” of Larouche’s “2007-2008 forecast” and the Kesha Rogers victory. (Why not the role of the Vault to overthrow Rachel Brown’s victory?) The funniest line from the crypto-Larouchies, picked up by the vanished straight-up Larouchies, is the request to “down-play 70s era critics”. I suppose we can skip that King’s book was published in the next decade, but this is by way of nipping away the NY Times articles that spring from the org’s first foray into any mainstream attention — oh, Chris White Affair.
I guess things all depend on where you place that “Overton Window”. (heh heh on library offerings.) This person’s request is interesting. While he focuses on a lot of “former” LaRouchies or many of the Democratic Party bigshots who were student radicals, the article focus suggests an element of where the one dimensional paradigm falls apart for your two peas in a pod. Is that an allusion to this Tarpley… who, um – more press than his former cult? Peddler of conspiracies or conspiracy theories? (For the latter: Remember this?)

I’ll preface this piece by saying I support, and am wildly entertained by, all forms of political participation. Except terrorism, which I hate. There is a place in America for Lyndon Larouche, an anti-Semitic conspiracy theorist whose Larouche Movement is driven by pots-and-pans-banging college students on the backs of flatbed trucks.
I’m sure there a few Fabianists out there who are patiently waiting for scientists to create a serum that will hasten the arrival of a socialist utopia.
I’m pretty sure they hate being aligned onto this segment of the spectrum, which goes against the grain of some conspiracies they’ve found over the years:

The Corporation”, attempted coup by wealthy Free Market Laissez-Faire industrialists’ “American Liberty League”, beginnings of what’d later be called “Libertarian Party” and Libertarianism, (ie Ron Paul, Bob Barr and Lyndon Larouche) …

This one might be better, though.

I can see why though. It reads like Lyndon Larouche who once bought half an hour of TV time to run for president and rambled incoherently about Classical politicians and philosophers. Posted February 17, 2011 at 12:48:58 PM …
… even th0ugh it hints at the Larouchies’ problems in “skewing” wikipedia articles to the “latest”.

… Y’know, about this next article: I don’t trust a pop culture study that cites “Dope Inc” and Texe Marr. Also, this strikes me as the type of person that should be identified next to Larouche — the right genre. If not these people.

In other wikipedia news… this.

… Come to think of it, the reference to “former Larouchies” might be referencing this guy.

STORY NUMBER TWO: LOS ANGELES CROSSWORD PUZZLE MASTER SNUBS THOUSAND YEAR GENIUS IN FAVOR OF HOCKEY GREAT
The second biggest story to ROCK the Larouche Movement over the past week and a half or two weeks, depending on when I post this — Lyndon Larouche was snubbed by the LA Times crossword puzzle-master Peter Wentz.

58A: ’70s-’80s NHLer known as “Lucky Pierre” (LAROUCHE). I’m not a hockey fan, but this one was easy enough to get from the crossing entries. I can understand why Peter & Rich wanted to avoid a reference to Lyndon Larouche and his Band of Merry Men.

I kept plugging away and finished most of it, but had no idea who Larouche was – so I Googled Lucky Pierre – that was a big mistake! Cheers to all – and enjoy the rest of your weekend.
Reports are coming in that some are saying that the Larouche organization reacted with fury upon seeing that their 1,000 Year Genius was snubed for a mere Hockey Great. The movement came close to protesting in front of the LA Times headquarters with images of the crossword puzzle masters with Hitler mustaches, or so say some from unspecified reports, and slogans about Nazi Crossword Puzzles coming from out of the British Empire. These plans were discarded upon viewing a highlight reel of Pierre Larouche’s career, and observing that he was a damned great Hockey player.

Meantime, is Hollywood snubbing Larouche at Oscar Time?

“The King’s Speech” – Something tells me that the royal family is secretly funding all of these sympathetic portrayals of the current royal line to cover up their collusion in controlling the world drug trade. Maybe that something is a Lyndon Larouche pamphlet.

And is The Mentalist written by covert Larouchian agents?

STORY NUMBER THREE: DISSENSION ROCKS ORG

Dissension in the ranks of the Lyndon Larouche Movement, as reported by Harley Schlanger.

LaRouche has insisted, repeatedly, over the objections of many Democrats – and even members of his own organization – that the Hitler mustache on Obama is a truthful representation, and that nothing short of Obama’s removal from office is necessary, if our nation is to survive.

All right, I recognize this as a routine set up — to get the movementarians to doubt their own doubt. But let’s take it as a straight forward statement anyways. It’s always good to see the org broadcast the idea that their people are autonomous, and there is an element of “debating society” within the movement where tendencies do acrue but are respected. But how does this manifest itself? Are there any examples from the front lines in the Post Office Campaign — can I see a news filler item or blog post with someone behind an Obama Hitler shrugging, “Yeah. It’s maybe a bit of an exaggeration. Not literally meant. He’s more like Calvin Coolidge or Grover Cleveland in terms of policies, but those don’t quite have the explosive power of Hitler.” (This does smack in line with a comment once seen which did get a donation — to a remark about agreeing with such and such an issue but finding Larouche a despicable character, a Card-table operator responded with “Don’t worry. He’s going to be dead in a few years anyways.”) Are there op-ed dissents published anywhere in Larouche publications giving the minority opinion? Was there an airing of opinion and heated exchange in the corridors of power before the Line was firmly dropped in stone, and if so wouldn’t the trump card go “We’ve called everyone else Hitler!”?

STORY NUMBER FOUR “ALL YOUR PROTESTS ARE BELONG TO US”

Upon learning that they were in, in effect, fronting for the Larouche organization, the protesters in Libya en masse threw up their hands and went home muttering, “I guess we can live with Qaddafi for a while longer.”

Oh yeah – and the LaRouche ****heads were there too.
The good news is that the Hitler signs this time are yours. And the “other side” will find every last one of them and publish them on their blogs. The Tea Party, which I guess in the Larouche purview of things is a different wing of the domestic slice of the Mass Strike — the one protesting Democratic Adminstrations instead of Republican Administrations — is in a bit of a flutter, charging hypocrisy and this item of familiarity

The same media that went into desk-pounding rage about LaRouche-wacko signs putting a Hitler moustache on Obama calmly refused to discuss signs where Gov. Walker was compared to Mubarak and Adolf Hitler.

Also see. The Larouchies weren’t able to corner this market — they recognize the new bi-partisan zietgiest and moved in with Rand Paul, but really in terms of executive power we’re in whack-a-mole territory with the governors — it could easily have been Chris Christie as opposed to Walker.
Having the Obama Hitler still around, they are apparently still tracking about the Tea Party contingent of the protests. I guess they can ditch it if they want and flee to the other side, or find the true Leftists of “two party duopoly” belief. Incidentally:

They know who LaRouche is and believe he is a leftist, and any LaRouchies showing up at Tea Party rallies are just trying to make them look bad. I wish I was kidding about this.
Incorrect. They’re leading a Mass Strike!

One thing you can give the “Left”, however you wish to define it, is there will be a slice of it giving the protests an international purview. It’s a bit of chutzpah to claim the Middle East protests as the same, or even part of the same, as the Mid West protests — but Vive La Solidarity. America’s protesters are more likely to link the two than Egypt’s, though we’ll end up seeing all the signs from the Mid-east by way of commondreams.com or similar website.

So… the Larouche’s “Mass Strike” paradigm. Let’s see, there’s Iceland. Egypt. Wisconsin. Ohio. Libya.

They were, of course, sparked by the protests that have been happening in front of various suburban post offices. See the Mass Strike Vanguard here.
… Rejected here. (“Paper thin?”)

This sounds appropriate: Plus of course the oddballs: I saw some benighted soul toting around what appeared to be Larouche propaganda, and another in full Seattle Supersonics basketball regalia, complete with giant flag.

STORY NUMBER FIVE: ILLUMINATING DISCUSSION ABOUT JEREMIAH DUGGAN BREAKS OUT OF THE MUCK OF FACTNET

I’m pretty laissez faire in my attitude toward factnet postings. If it veers into an item of easily passed over juvenilia, I’m fine — it’ll right itself in time and some items of interest concerning the cult — frivulous or serious — will exert themselves. The result is that I’m mostly puzzled by the Charles Schulz Peanuts reference — my questioning veering toward when, say, Dennis Speed joined decades ago, did he think his organization was going to spend time in its published output explaining Peanuts routines?

Somehow, emerging out of rubble of a particular arena of pointless, what might be the most substantial discussion regarding Jeremiah Duggan emerged. Try entries number, oh 6306 and go on to maybe 6365. Surely things flinter in and out before those numbers, though.

Also seen on factnet, some new fragmentary pieces on the founding of the LYM — which I can’t easily find, but describe the effects of the separation of the LYM from the Baby Boomers and end up (whether they realize it or not) suggesting the attractions of the heaped praise the LYMers received in Cadre School for a time against manning the Post Office tour. Also of interest is this — it might be the first Larouchian response I’ve seen to Conyers’s disavowal of his standing in front of a Larouche podium. Myattempt to put their lobbying where it was in the full context of the 2004 Election protestations is here.

Here’s a quick study of Shakespeare. Why Star Trek is not a cult. Also, moderately interesting about some other organization — 75 percent of its resources dedicated to editing wikipedia articles?

One more funny thought about the mass strike and Lyn with his cult carpetbagging. I was watching MSNBC the other day and there was Teamster President Jimmy Hoffa Jr being interviewed. R L and G G were two memebrs of the support staff who became Teamster execs and skyrocketed after leaving the cult. If they stayed in , there is an excellent chance that they too would be older Boomers, denounced by Lyn and card table shrining or with a phone glued to their ear making money for the Master.



If you got talent LYM members , there are plenty of places to use it instead of a cult. "Due dilligence" is important.





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[curious10]

Is a digital copy of the first edition available anywhere online?

I'm not aware of a digital copy available. I dug my old copy out.

[curious10]

There was one edition of Dope Inc among a few which were printed which have Lyn's statement about The Protocols having a " hard kernel of truth". There are tons of ex members and in the course of conversations questions are often raised about what happened in some instance from the past or why was some piece of lit released or statement made by Lyn. For the longest of time, members did not wish to talk about the LC after leaving since the King book had them painted as closet Nazi's in their minds. I am deeply indebted to Linda Ray for her article which very elegantly offers anyone today a well thought out summary. The circumstances about Dope Inc and The Protocols have not been answered and always will be interesting for members and non exmembers to figure out. I guess this is somehting pretty unique for our future reviewers.

So I'm taking the answer to be, "No"--you don't have a copy of the book. Because this interpretation of yours is very careless with the truth. To say the least. And HH's suggestion that Dope, Inc. endorses the Protocols is a deliberately wild interpretation, too.

What that section of the book is all about is essentially Tarpley's (?) "Palmerston Zoo" thesis--the elites' use of ethic secret (criminal) societies to push drugs.

It's not some grand anti-semitic conspiracy as some less than honest people would have you believe.

[Kellezi]

Kind of like you do Paul. I have a first edition (I have all editions) of DOPE INC. Paul. Maybe you can tell me what page this would be on? Or is it a "special edition" that only you have?

http://laroucheplanet.info/pmwiki/pm...opeInc78Page30
http://laroucheplanet.info/pmwiki/pm...opeInc78Page32

[chator]

I'm talking about the LaRouche candidate from Michigan, I'm watching this video of a speech he gave which is featured in the latest edition of DWTT, and he keeps using the word "cult" to describe people outside the LaRouche organization, without realizing he's in one himself. He also uses the word "brainwash" to describe what Empires do to keep people obiedient. Here's an interesting question, how do you keep the members of your cult from realizing they are in one? You appropriate the language common to the description of cults and ascribe the behavior and practices of cults to the general population. You tell your cult members, the public is brainwashed, they are the cult worshippers of money. That way they think they know what a cult is and they don't connect it with what they are in and with what they are doing. So if you accuse them of being a cult member, that accusation will bounce off of them like invisible armour.

[borisbad]

http://laroucheplanet.info/pmwiki/pm...opeInc78Page30
http://laroucheplanet.info/pmwiki/pm...opeInc78Page32

I guess this shows that Ace really is unable to read. Perhaps spending too much time catching sunbeams from cucumbers. And if the LaRouchites who are posting here don't trust the reference from laroucheplanet all they have to do is go to the wlym site and read it from there.
And of course besides the protocols of Zion they also have Judah Benjamin creating the confederacy and ordering the assassination of Lincoln. This is on their own site, so they most be pretty proud of their work or else they don't think the lymmers are going to bother reading all these old works.

http://www.wlym.com/pdf/iclc/dopeinc1978.pdf

[Peter_Tennenbaum]

Still waiting.

It's going to be a long wait isn't it?

I have lost track, truly. What are you waiting for? The 256th coming of Christ our Lord?

The viagra to kick in?

One simple, sweet bowel movement?

Peace on Earth and Goodwill toward man/woman?

The price of Wonder Bread to hit $100,000 per loaf in Peoria?

Wheel Barrows with needle bearings instead of ball bearings or sleeve bearings?

A Vision?

A love partner to share the genital embrace with?

Simultaneous Nobel Prizes awarded to LiAR in Physics, Literature, Economics, and Peace?

More mustard on your HOT, Hot Dog?

A Beyond Psycho one-on-one "Session" with the world's greatest mind?

Or simply the love of your life (a non-LaR, lust-type, potency-producing, rock hard genuine article, orgiastic multi-hour wonderland)?

A longer unit and/or a more flexible back?

Oh... I have it: Funky Town!

Earnest One March 1, 2011 (who wants most simple wants to vanish so that people are free from mind numbing drudgery of slave work and everyone can have truly free time to think, make love, and enjoy ice cream sandwiches, the best thing since sliced bread )

[borisbad]

Still waiting.

It's going to be a long wait isn't it?

I guess the chore of actually going to the online Dope Inc. publication on line with the glorious chapter on the Protocols was too difficult for you to manage. It kind of shows how illiterate present members and supporters are. At least in our day we actually read not only org. publications but Kant, Hegel, Marx, etc. and were expected to know something about them other than the pre-digested opinions that LaRouche espoused (most of which radically changed beginning in the late 70s and early 80s from what he had written in the 60s.
We know you are too dense to actually read Dope Inc. but perhaps others who raised questions about Dope Inc. and the Protocols will have the intellectual honesty to go to the source.
Has Ace reached 3000 posts yet? Guess he wants to do in posts here what Jeter wants to do for the Yanks, hit 3000.

[curious10]

I guess the chore of actually going to the online Dope Inc. publication on line with the glorious chapter on the Protocols was too difficult for you to manage. It kind of shows how illiterate present members and supporters are. At least in our day we actually read not only org. publications but Kant, Hegel, Marx, etc. and were expected to know something about them other than the pre-digested opinions that LaRouche espoused (most of which radically changed beginning in the late 70s and early 80s from what he had written in the 60s.
We know you are too dense to actually read Dope Inc. but perhaps others who raised questions about Dope Inc. and the Protocols will have the intellectual honesty to go to the source.
Has Ace reached 3000 posts yet? Guess he wants to do in posts here what Jeter wants to do for the Yanks, hit 3000.

Some intellectual honesty in this little corner of the net would be a welcome breeze.

The chapter in question is the second one, entitled, "Palmerston's Fifth Column, USA." It consists of pages 25-42. Within this chapter, only pages 31-32 refer to the Protocols. So, one claim often made--that a chapter is devoted to the Protocols is untrue.

Another claim made frequently is that the Protocols were reprinted in this purported chapter. It's easily established that this is not true either. In fact, the Protocols are not quoted at all. Not a single word. So that claim is false also.

A third claim is the LaRouche/the authors "endorse" the Protocols. That claim is not true.

What is true is what I said before: this chapter argues that ethnic organized crime groups run drugs. Further, the chapter argues that historically this was coordinated to a certain extent by the British elites via manipulation of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry. This argument may or may not be entirely accurate--the ICLC does have a track record of doing some "selective" historiography. But to suggest repeatedly that this chapter proves LaRouche/ICLC anti-semitism is either an outright lie or a case of some intellectually foolish thinking.

If this chapter were generally proof of some form of racism, then why is it we don't hear about the LC's hatred of Italians? Mazzini is given approximately as much space at the Protocols in this chapter. Or accusations of anti-Chinese racism for similar reasons.

Could it be that the "intellectual honesty" that one finds here has little to do with reading Marx, Hegel, et al..? That the so-called "honesty" some prefer tends to resemble those notorious conversations about drug running between Al Swearengen and Mister Wu in the fictional "Deadwood" tv series?

[Eliane]

"Protocols of the Elders of Zion" is readily available to read online by anyone who cares to read it. LaRouche did not write it; nor did he promote it. Ever. Those who are hypersensitive about it ought to apply their exhaulted concerns to all people of the Earth, including the Palestinian victims of modern Zion and the greater Western Asian victims of Anglo-American-Israeli mass murder and genocide. While you screech about the Protocols, the real thugs of the Earth are flattening ancient civilizations in the ridiculous name of "democracy" and causing suffering of unimaginable magnitudes. LaRouche is with you in his refusal to tell the naked truth.