LaRouche continued 6

[friend]

Boris wasn't it obvious to you that dking, and others, were using Jerry's suicide to "get" at LaRouche?

[dking]

Boris wasn't it obvious to you that dking, and others, were using Jerry's suicide to "get" at LaRouche?

It's more like LaRouche was using David Kelly's suicide to "get" at the Duggan family.

[dking]

How was LaRouche's investigation into the death of British weapons expert David Kelly going? Did he prove that his death wasn't suicide, since in fact, he directly linked the Jeremiah Duggan "affair" into his call for an investigation into the "murder" of David Kelly (as a way to deflect attention from his important calls for investigation. I haven't heard anything about Tony Blair being called into account for the mysterious death of David Kelly. Now I am not even going to dispute whether there might have been gov't involvement around the whole blowup of Blair's orchestration of both Britain and the Bush Administration to invade Iraq, but that is still a long way from proof. So let's wait to LaRouche produces an indictment of Blair or others in his former coterie for the death of David Kelly before you crow about the Duggan family.

And while we're at it, how's Jeff Steinberg's once-lucrative investigation of the alleged murder of Princess Di by Prince Phillip going? How come Scotland Yard is dragging its heels?

[Kellezi]

Feb. 7, 2012 (EIRNS)—This release was issued today by the Lyndon LaRouche Political Action Committee (LaRouche PAC)

American statesman Lyndon LaRouche took to the airwaves at LPAC-TV last night, to issue a deadly serious "call to arms" to American patriots, against the imminent threat of the British detonation of thermonuclear World War III, through their puppet Barack Obama.

"Nobody's paying attention to reality," LaRouche said.

I wonder how many LaRouchites are paying attention to the fact that the dreaded fascist coup d'état headed by Obama and his "Super Committee" predicted in August didn't happen?

And in a few months the "imminent threat of the British" will be repeated. Then it'll be repeated again. And again.

[Herm]

Boris wasn't it obvious to you that dking, and others, were using Jerry's suicide to "get" at LaRouche?

"Lyn" is the classic bully (i.e., p---y). For at least fifty years he assassinates the character of just about everyone by demonizing them in one way or another (e.g., putting a Hitler mustache on photographs of the President of the United States, calling a former Secretary of State a homosexual) and then he acts all hurt and bent out of shape when someone hits back.

There is no organized effort to "get" someone so inconsequential; it's more like the periodic involuntary thwack at an ugly, emotionally stunted gnat.

[friend]

Dennis I can understand your frustration. All the years of toiling and nothing to show except posting at FACTnet and taking swings at me (who has no relationship to LaRouche except I support things like NAWAPA and Moon tunnels). You're frustrated. I get it. How about getting a new sport car? If you are into women can I suggest one younger that Molly? For a man your age, who really has few years left, a younger woman can make you feel alive again.

If you have a question for Steinberg maybe send it via email to EIR?

If you want my opinion, you've used - and abused - Erica Duggan. Then again, what do I know? Maybe neo-Nazi gangs tossed Jerry in front of cars or had some sort of special sound wave weapons, or other "Nazi" device, that made the young man run into traffic. I suppose that is possible and that the German judges (the ones you called Nazis) are being mentally controlled by Helga or one of her dogs.

Sorry you're not having fun. I am.

[dking]

Dennis I can understand your frustration. All the years of toiling and nothing to show except posting at FACTnet and taking swings at me (who has no relationship to LaRouche except I support things like NAWAPA and Moon tunnels). You're frustrated. I get it. How about getting a new sport car? If you are into women can I suggest one younger that Molly? For a man your age, who really has few years left, a younger woman can make you feel alive again.

If you have a question for Steinberg maybe send it via email to EIR?

If you want my opinion, you've used - and abused - Erica Duggan. Then again, what do I know? Maybe neo-Nazi gangs tossed Jerry in front of cars or had some sort of special sound wave weapons, or other "Nazi" device, that made the young man run into traffic. I suppose that is possible and that the German judges (the ones you called Nazis) are being mentally controlled by Helga or one of her dogs.

Sorry you're not having fun. I am.

Seems that the more questions you are hit with that you can't answer, and the more contradictions in your arguments that you can't explain away, the more vicious you get. Your movement is based on lies and hate--and this what drives it into alliances with the worst human rights abusers on this planet. As to Erica Duggan, your sudden concern for her welfare is totally lacking in credibility after what your comrades have said about her and did to her son.

Trolls used to hang out under bridges, now they're moving to Moon tunnels.

[friend]

You've used the Duggans for a long time dking. For you, it is a means to an end. You don't care about justice.

My movement? I don't have a movement. You're projecting. Everyone who agrees with NAWAPA has to be a LaRouchie right? Or aren't I allowed to agree with LaRouche? You want my real name? I will gladly give it you after this entire forum gives there real names. I'd love to know how many accounts you have here Dennis. Your buddy Peter admitted to three. How about you?

I am not allied with Obama, or Bush, - the two worst living human rights abusers I can name.

The NATO attacks in Libya killed how many? The Iraq Wars of Bush (both of them) killed many more. Add in Clinton's murderous embargo and you have a trail of dead bodies that could reach to my Moon tunnels. I've never heard you utter a peep about those dead people. Why? Because you could use them to attack LaRouche.

Erica Duggan is as the German police said about her. You didn't like their characterization of her not because you disagreed but because they slapped you down. You don't care about Erica Duggan dking. If she came out tomorrow saying LaRouche should be US president you'd drop her like a hot potato. The same applies to the German judges who you called Nazis. If tomorrow they changed their minds you'd call them heroes.

You don't fool anyone garbage picker.

[poe]

The NATO attacks in Libya killed how many? The Iraq Wars of Bush (both of them) killed many more. Add in Clinton's murderous embargo and you have a trail of dead bodies that could reach to my Moon tunnels.

If the Organization had been as vocal in opposing that embargo under Clinton as we were under Bush, I think that we would probably have succeeded in bringing it to an end.

[poe]

Actually I left much later than 1974 so I don't know where you got that year. I think someone else like Poe mentioned 1974.

No, it wasn't me. I wasn't even in the Organization yet in 1974 and did not leave until the last half of the 90's.

[Peter_Tennenbaum]

If the Organization had been as vocal in opposing that embargo under Clinton as we were under Bush, I think that we would probably have succeeded in bringing it to an end.

Poe,

I think I understand the "thrust" of your remark, but was wondering if you ACTUALLY believed that an equivalent effort would have done Jack Sh.t? Assuming you are not joking (a "high" assumption, at best) and, assuming that the sanctions would have ended because of ICLC efforts, then what would the second best effort/success have been--what else would you point to as a LaRouche-inspired success?

Earnest One (aka Peter Tennenbaum)

[poe]

Poe,

I think I understand the "thrust" of your remark, but was wondering if you ACTUALLY believed that an equivalent effort would have done Jack Sh.t? Assuming you are not joking (a "high" assumption, at best) and, assuming that the sanctions would have ended because of ICLC efforts, then what would the second best effort/success have been--what else would you point to as a LaRouche-inspired success?

Earnest One (aka Peter Tennenbaum)

No, I wasn't joking. I don't think the average American realized quite how murderous the Sanctions were. We still had printing presses back then. An awful lot of people read our stuff. We helped make sure that the first Bush was only a one term President, but then were pretty silent about Clinton doing many of the same things.

[poe]

what else would you point to as a LaRouche-inspired success?

Earnest One (aka Peter Tennenbaum)

We kept Oliver North out of the Senate.

[friend]

Those Goodbye Ollie radio ads were so great. North cracked up. He started to lose it.

Good times.

[Peter_Tennenbaum]

No, I wasn't joking. I don't think the average American realized quite how murderous the Sanctions were. We still had printing presses back then. An awful lot of people read our stuff. We helped make sure that the first Bush was only a one term President, but then were pretty silent about Clinton doing many of the same things.

According to http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084

Secretary of State Albright was on Sixty Minutes when she made her infamous quote. To wit:

"Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price--we think the price is worth it."
[emphasis added]
--60 Minutes (5/12/96)

I remember the quote--it was/is monstrous (as was the policy)--but I didn't remember that it was said on Sixty Minutes AND, moreover, preceded by Stahl's strong words. I may well be wrong, but didn't millions of Americans watch that show? This is probably far more people than Lyn could have reached, especially if you factor in the difficulties associated with that particular "messenger".

Obviously, I agree that the policy was evil. On the other hand, I rather doubt that many Americans cared. In short, I am less optimistic about the ICLC's ability to make much of a difference on THESE sorts of issues. I have not studied the North case although, again, I agree that he was bad news. In comparison, however, it would seem that affecting North's prospects was far easier; besides, he had plenty of other antagonists.

Going back in time, I remember that Nixon (and/or the foreign policy establishment) bombed Hanoi and Haiphong on Christmas Eve and Christmas (it was an ongoing campaign--lasting weeks--but this "Christian" nation, did not let up even for a "Holy" day). According to http://www.commondreams.org/views02/1224-04.htm the circumstances were quite "unusual", even for that gruesome war:

"American pilots flew nearly 4,000 sorties, including more than 700 by high-flying B-52s. Those ''area bombers,'' incapable of precision, had never been used against cities before. That they were used now was a sure sign that this was terror bombing pure and simple."

Long story short, it appears that the majority of Americans have a long and vicious history of supporting truly immoral policies. Apparently, I am far less sanguine than you (and others) about the prospects of changing foreign policy although clearly the struggle to do so is essential, to put it mildly.

Earnest One 2/2012

[friend]

Peter you say you doubted many Americans cared about Iraqi children. Perhaps they've lost the moral fitness to survive. Who else would tolerate a Bush, or an Obama, beside a moral degenerate?

Maybe for the first time ever I feel sorry for Paul and Molly - it must be horrible to live with such hatred inside of you.

Thank God we had men like Ken Kronberg, men who gave of themselves to try to make the world a better place.

[friend]

Israel teams with terror group to kill Iran's nuclear scientists, U.S. officials tell NBC News

http://rockcenter.msnbc.msn.com/_new...-tell-nbc-news


dking the LC connection is that EIR had this story about 7 years ago. You like talking about death squads. Let's talk about the ones Israel runs.

[Herm]

Israel teams with terror group to kill Iran's nuclear scientists, U.S. officials tell NBC News


http://rockcenter.msnbc.msn.com/_new...-tell-nbc-news


dking the LC connection is that EIR had this story about 7 years ago. You like talking about death squads. Let's talk about the ones Israel runs.

Touche.

Or their nuclear arsenal. Or their manipulation of U.S. foreign policy, e.g. Netanyahu's blackmailing of Obama over the U.N. Palestine vote. Or their support for South Africa's apartheid regime.

Somehow Israeli brutality is never on the agenda except by those dismissed as antisemites (e.g., Buchanan) or self-hating Jews (e.g., Chomsky).

[friend]

dking will never talk about Israel's support for Latin America death squads either. Why? Dennis was part of the Get LaRouche Task Force. Simple.

Dennis is using Erica Duggan to attack LaRouche. Simple.

Paul is just a bitter loser that couldn't hack LC life and is immoral. Simple.

Not everyone is cut out to save the galaxy. LOL I am so funny.

[Peter_Tennenbaum]

Touche.

Or their nuclear arsenal. Or their manipulation of U.S. foreign policy, e.g. Netanyahu's blackmailing of Obama over the U.N. Palestine vote. Or their support for South Africa's apartheid regime. [emphasis added]

Somehow Israeli brutality is never on the agenda except by those dismissed as antisemites (e.g., Buchanan) or self-hating Jews (e.g., Chomsky).

Bingo! Herm's true colors are revealed.

I've been quite quiet since that truly bizarre initial attack on me and Herm's inane, psychologically insane comment about a picture I posted; apparently it represented electronic garage sale junk (yeah, a Fluke 77 multimeter only costs almost 300 bucks just by itself, not to mention a 600 dollar IC in that little circuit and a host of other items (none of which elicited a single question from Herm); and besides, the picture was simply part of a beam weapons joke. It appears that it stimulated "something" in Herm. The circumstances were quite interesting given that this board was filled with comments about card tables and the LYM, the so-called boomers, and their dead end card table lives). Herm tried to tie me into that in a very weird way and I concluded that he/she/it was an ex-LaRouchie or a de-facto supporter (lipstick on a pig); but I've said little until now.

Suddenly ALL appears crystal clear. Israel supported South Africa!!! Gee, big news. Touche!!! What a revelation!!! But what about LaRouche's well-documented support of African dictators and, in particular, the work he did spying on opponents of apartheid?

http://lyndonlarouche.org/larouche-f...-apartheid.htm

Yes, some material put up by Dennis King, although much of his analysis is from original source material (standard policy for him and ALL genuine, honest scholars). But we need not resort to Dennis here. LaRouche's work for the brutal South African regime is well known and written about in many places. It is a strong piece of evidence that Lyn says one thing but does another and that he represents "ideology for hire".

But now Friend and Herm criticize Israel. Fine, great, and for all I know, completely justified. On the other hand, surely everyone here knows about LaRouche's involvement in the support of apartheid. In one little slip, Herm's true colors were revealed

It is really quite apropos, this latest development. I've had a sneaking suspicion that Herm and "Friend/Ace" have been playing a little game here for the last few months, but the speed of the attack on Israel and its support of apartheid is something to behold, given the history of the ICLC's support of apartheid. And now we have public support from Herm for "The Ace Team". I guess Herm has close ties, psychologically, to Lyn. It was sad seeing XLCR--a truly decent guy--propping up Herm's comments just weeks after Herm excoriated XLCR and other ex-members. And, just like "The Ace Team" it is all just for fun. Oh yes, mediocrity is great too. And with interest rates so high, it is easy to make thousands every day/week/month. Child's play.

Any comments, Dennis? Someone mentioned long ago that Herm was actually a sock puppet for "Friend/Ace/The Team". Friend's response simply didn't ring true. Now we have some hard core evidence. Criticizing Israel given the ICLC's history is beyond the pale. It is wildly revealing, irrespective of what Israel has done.

TOUCHE!!!!! (big deal...)

Earnest_one Not proof read or even really read; simply mis-dis-articulated out of a semi-clean instrument of communication. For the record, note that this was my first "official" user name, under which I openly revealed my true identity--my real name and address, etc -- after being warned, repeatedly--by many posters--never to do this. I posted under Revisor for about 1/3,000 of the lifespan of the LaRouche thread on Factnet and, again, I openly revealed myself (yeah, I "admitted" to it... hilarious). When it was pointed out that holding two accounts was against policy I openly asked for help closing my Peter_Tennenbaum account. Neither the Factnet staff nor anyone on this board came to my assistance (so much for the great concern about multiple accounts or for the expertise of the critical people here. So, three accounts, TOTAL, and with ALL of them I revealed my true identity. Revisor lasted two or three weeks. Sounds very suspicious, right!?? This is a Big Deal?!!! This is ALL you have? How pitiful, just like the nonsense about my "famous call on FACTNET" for Jonathan to jump off a bridge. Famous calls can be issued from FACTNET?!!; besides, the content of the accusation is erroneous -- I NEVER "called" for JT to commit suicide; this is banal nonsense produced by the bizarro world). Friend LIED when he recently wrote that I held four accounts here. I didn't respond, so he posts again and brings it down to three accounts, which is true, albeit highly misleading because with EACH and EVERY account, I revealed my true identity. This is easy to verify, too. Or, simply call me up (as many have done over the years). I am a Public Figure, attacked in EIR (wow, what a thrill); now go back to discussing how a forecast differs from a prediction and LaRouche has never been wrong.