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What Really Counts
In the countdown, or countup, what really counts is, not how many people post here, but how many people read here.
That's why it's so nice that this is the Factnet thread most visited.
Imagine current members sneaking onto the site as guests, day in and day out. Reading and thinking. Reading and thinking.
As far as quantity of posting, I would say "friend" and "ace" and "revenire" and "brewncue" etc. have all the rest of us beat. I mean, who has time to post as much as "friend" does?
Otherwise, I don't quite get why XLCR's report of Mark Calney's death--a sad piece of news indeed--is so dreadful. After all, along with current members, there are a large number of former members who visit this thread who would be interested to know.
Most of the current members probably don't know who Mark Calney was, and they probably don't care.
But the former members do.
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On his MSNBC show tonight, Chris Matthews used Lyn to illustrate why Newt Gingrich wants to stay in the GOP presidential race despite having no chance of winning and most likely helping Romney, whom Gingrich claims to despise: Both are fat-headed windbags (my paraphrase, but a pretty close paraphrase) who like to hear themselves talk.
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Newt is not going to appreciate that.Originally Posted by Tarquin10
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Since I'm in Austin, TX at the moment, I thought I'd look for some updates on Kesha Rogers' campaign and how she's doing.
http://larouchepac.com/node/22001
The footage of Kesha getting booed and grilled at this meeting is hysterical. And the LPAC commentary is twice as funny. All they can do to respond to an actual Democrat who criticizes Larouche, and Kesha's association with him, is to make fun of him for being fat.
Kesha's gone a little further down the Road to Nowhere. If this is indicative of the kind of support she is being shown, I can't seem to understand why LPAC would want to tape it and show it to anyone.
Wish me luck, folks. Just four shows to go and then I'm home. And wish Kesha luck. She'll need it.
Ciampion out.
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"sock puppets". pseudonyms, etc.
One poster is upset, noting: "That is five different names by two of the same people and those people just happen to be two of the most active here"
And let's not forget Lyndon Larouche, L. Marcus, Lynn Marcus and the ever-popular Hermyle Golthier, Jr.
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There's a post about that Kesha Rogers campaign event here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10781722
Back in 2010, the local party did not run a strong candidate for the TX CD 22 because that race would be an impossible race to win. A LaRouchie candidate named Keisha Rogers won the nomination and the ran on the platform of impeaching President Obama. Many Democrats had to not vote a straight party ticket in 2010 to avoid voting for this person.
Keisha is running again. Last night was the ballot draw and there was evidently a Keisha Rogers Rally. I was at the event and saw Keisha and four or five of her supporters outside the library where the event was held. None of these supporters were precinct chairs and so did not have a vote at this meeting. We did a roll call and each of the larouchies made some statement about President Obama and were booed.
After the ballot draw, each candidate got to make a two minute speech and then our SDEC representative made a proposal that the county party endorse the guy running against Rogers (this resolution was blessed by the State Party in advance). During the debate of thise resolution, some precinct chairs asked Rogers if she really believed that the Queen of England was a drug dealer (she refused to answer this question) and asked Rogers about the larouchie posters with President Obama having a Hitler mustache which Rogers defended on the grounds that she was trying to stop a second holocaust (as a Jew, I was very offended). After the motion was passed by a vote of all 41 precinct chairs present, we ignored the larouchies and they left.
When I got home, I checked Rogers website to see if we were mentioned and saw that the six people (five supporters and the candidate were part of an official LaRoushie rally. This from her website http://kesharogers.com/node/73
The party also adopted rules for the Senate District conventions that requires all attendees to these conventions and the state convention to sign a loyalty oath that includes a requirement that one supports the Party's candidates including President Obama.
I was surprised to see that five people and the candidate constituted a rally. In 2010, Keisha was an unknown. Now the party knows about her and we are passing out flyers warning voters about this candidate.
I normally just vote straight D but I'll be more observant next time (I'm in Brazoria County)
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Missing Link?
I had never heard the pen name "Hermyle Golthier" before, so after reading this post I did a Google search for it. Not only did the search results list pamphlets where LaRouche used that name, but, serendipitously, also listed a site which , if it is not a gag, seems to show that Lyn is a very distant relative of Hillary Clinton:
http://clintonresearch.blogspot.com/...m-clinton.html
Way, way at the bottom of that page we find:
http://clintonresearch.blogspot.com/...m-clinton.html8044 & 8045 have other descendants, such as:
Louis Gagne m. Marie Launay
.Louis Gagne m. Marie Michel
.Ignace Gagne m. Louise Tremblay
|.Ignace Gagne m. Angelique Dufour
| .Ignace Gagne m. Agathe Perrin
| .Joseph Ignace Gagne m. Felicite Tremblay
| .Madeleine Gagne m. Pierre Parent
| .Catherine Parent m. Antoine LaRouche
| .Joseph Golthier LaRouche m. Ella Stevens Lougee
| .Lyndon Hermyle LaRouche m. Jesse Lenore Weir
| .LYNDON HERMYLE LaROUCHE (b. 1922), economist
.Olivier Gagne m. Elisabeth Pepin
.Jean Baptiste Gagne m. Claire Bateau
.Joseph Gagne m. Marie Josephe Landry
.Marie Louise Gagne m. Pierre Poirier
.Modeste Poirier m. Louis Barbeau
.Georges Barbeau m. Marguerite O'Brien
.Joseph Barbeau m. Mary Gaske
.Louis Albert Barbeau m. Bertha Degnath
.Joseph Barbeau m. ----
.ADRIENNE BARBEAU (b. 1945), actress
I'm not sure what that proves or anything, but, to me, it's kind of funny.
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Swinging
We are ALL brothers and sisters, BABY... Swinging from trees and having all forms of seeeexsual relations.
Even Jr. was produced this way. God has a GREAT sense of humor --
God is a creative comic GENIUS!!!!!!!
Wow!
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Okay the FACTnet name thing...
Molly Kreingold Kronberg:
eaglebeak
Rachel Holmes
and
?
For all of Dennis King's "come out with your real names everyone" he kept Molly's real name quiet (until EIR exposed it) didn't he?
Peter Tennenbaum:
Revisor
Earnest One
and
?
Each of these names made posts, quickly followed by others who knew they were Molly and Peter (like Dennis), backing up whatever they said.
Why would anyone believe they're telling the truth now? What reason did Molly and Peter have for lying about their identities? If Dennis King feels those who remain anonymous here are cowards how does he feel about Molly and Peter doing so?
Maybe we should all make 3-4 FACTnet names up and when I make a post it can be followed by Friend #2, Friend #3, Friend #4 all backing me up.
Isn't that what they did?
I had not heard of "Hermyle Golthier" either. This must have been in the 1950s? 1960s?
Yes, of course because FACTnet is a political movement "socialistboomer" right? We all have multiple pen names here (like writers).
How long were you in the cult? Let me guess you left three decades ago (at least) but still have a keen interest in your former boss. Sort of captivated.
"Howie" what is Obama's popularity rating again? The only thing Obama has "going for him" in this election is the Republican clowns running for president.
Hope has left the Obama supporters. Russia has stopped Obama's adventure in Syria. It is a sad time.
Despite improving job growth and an extended Republican primary fight dividing his would-be opponents,President Obamais heading into the general election season on treacherous political ground, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.
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Regression
Regression. Boorish. Inane. Enough already. You have nothing yet can't seems to let go of..."thin air". Move on, Friend. You are beating xyz far too much. Let your members rest.
Hey, here's a suggestion:
Don't pay any attention to the NAME of the poster but look at the content of the post. For example, if you took John F. Kennedy's name off of his great speeches and showed Americans the text, they would probably still find worthwhile content -- certainly would not view the author as an insane asylum resident.
Similarly, take LaRouche's name off of the front of his books and pamphlets (and the text of his so-called "speeches"). Most Americans would STILL think that the author was a lunatic.
You are hung up on NOUNS, man. Get a grip. Dazzle us with a LaRouchian-type flourish of promised-land creative genius!
Get to it. Use your brain (if it is permitted under Section 256, Code 128, paragraph 64, line 1,298,673,888,302,666 of the LaR control handbook).
Earnest_One (aka PT) OMG what is "PT"? Get legal on your state-of-the-art string-and-can phone-type connection, ASAP.
Peter I've paid all the attention to the lie you were kidnapped or the hysterical fiction that Jerry was murdered as I ever will. You were never kidnapped. Jerry committed suicide.
The fact remains you, and Molly, made up several fake names to post "support" to each other. It is called sock puppetry. For all I know you're Dennis King.
The 3-4 regular posters I speak of here might be only 1-2.
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Who Put the "Aitch" in the LHL?
Molly Kreingold Kronberg?
If you're as hung up on names as you appear to be--at least, on our names--what is the significance of that?
Trying to pretend you're at such arm's length from the org that you don't know what Molly's maiden name is?
Trying to be mean to people whose last name that might be?
Trying to flex your anti-Semitic muscles?
For hilarious exchanges on the topic of sock puppets, I urge Factnet readers to go to any Wikipedia page having to do with LaRouche, the LYM, the NDPC, LaRouche Criminal Trials, Jeremiah Duggan, the Kronbergs, etc., and read the discussion pages and the sock puppet wrangles.
As for Hermyle Golthier?
I think the variant Lyn actually used was Hermyle Gauthier—both spellings occur in his family tree.
Lyn’s middle name, of course, is Hermyle.
Joseph Hermyle Gauthier/Golthier LaRouche was his paternal grandfather.
Lyn used the HG name as a pseudonym for some dreary article he wrote in The Campaigner in the early 1970s.
He is nothing if not self-referential. And self-reverential.
Molly I am not a LC member and never have been. Is that McCarthyite enough for you?
Your name - Kreingold - is all over the web. What is the problem? If you want I can call you "Rachel Holmes" or something else of your choosing. I fail to see how it is being "mean" to use your name.
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Banal Friends
Alien abduction stories are all over the web too! Wonderful evidence.
You "fail" to "see" quite a bit, or so you write (probably under orders).
I stand by my affidavit statement submitted to the British court. If LaRouche et al believes that it is libelous, then why haven't they sued me?
Readers are free (assuming they are not members of a terror cult) to read my statement here (as well as other places--it is in the "public record" in England):
http://lyndonlarouchewatch.org/affid...tennenbaum.htm
or here (link near bottom of page):
http://laroucheplanet.info/pmwiki/pm...JeremiahDuggan
Have a GREAT Thursday!
Earnest One March 15 2012
Alien abductions is what your story is Peter. Anyone can swear to anything. So what? You named no one. You never filed a police report.
Why would LaRouche sue you? I feel they pity you.
They said you called for your brother to jump off a bridge. Why didn't you sue them?
Russian General Cites LaRouche on Russia's Role in Blocking WWIII
March 2nd, 2012 • 9:26 AM
General Vladimir Ovchinsky, formerly head of Interpol's Russian office (1997-1999) and a consultant to the Russian Constitutional Court, was interviewed Feb. 22 in the popular daily Komsomolskaya Pravda under the headline "Will World War III break out in 2012?" The newspaper later reposted the same interview with the headline "Who will launch World War III: America or Israel?", adding a dramatic graphic showing nuclear strikes between Pakistan, India, and China after an Israeli attack on Iran.
Both versions of the interview include Ovchinsky's citation of Lyndon LaRouche on the impulse for nuclear war coming from the global economic crisis, and on the importance of Russia's resistance to the war scenario.
Komsomolskaya Pravda posed the strategic situation as follows: "Half a century ago the world first teetered on the brink of nuclear war. But Khrushchov and Kennedy were able to reach agreement. Things were simpler for them: the planet was divided into two camps, the socialist and the capitalist." Ovchinsky replied, "The world is more complex today, and unpredictable. And many countries have nuclear weapons. Unfortunately, there is a greater basis for a Third World War now, than during the Cuba missiles crisis. In 1962 you had the subjective factor of Soviet missiles in Cuba, right under the nose of the USA. This was in response to the missiles placed in Turkey that could reach Moscow. But 2012, coinciding with the Mayan calendar's promise of the end of the world, really could become the year when a world war begins. And many countries and peoples could disappear, just like the Maya. There is an objective factor, namely that the global economic crisis continues to worsen."
Ovchinsky went on to cite economist Paul Krugman on the need for a World War II-type mobilization to get out of the world economic crisis. "But," he commented, "drawing this analogy would require one little thing: a new world war. The temptation is great! Huge military spending, lots of jobs. And the economy gets out of the crisis. For various reasons the Second World War broke out in Europe. Now the greatest likelihood for the beginning of a world war is in the Middle East. Too many things are tied up in this region.
"In addition to Krugman, the eminent economist Lyndon LaRouche also forecasts a high probability of a Third World War as an attempt to get out of the crisis. Already in the 1970s, he forecast that a global crisis would occur at the turn of the century, resulting from the overbloating of the monetarist system. LaRouche is not a friend of Russia [sic]. He has always been an American patriot. He is the one, by the way, who proposed the Star Wars program to Reagan. But now he believes that only Russia can stop a nuclear war that would be ruinous for mankind."
The interviewer asked, "What is Russia's role, according to LaRouche?"
Ovchinsky: "To conduct a hard-line policy, against regional conflicts. But for this Russia needs powerful armaments. Nobody listens to the weak. And when our liberals question our throwing money away on the military-industrial complex, that is treason! Only a strong army, modernized missile technology, and the powerful nuclear weapons which Russia possesses can save the country and the world."
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Kreingold, Kronberg, Steinberg, Goldstein--If You've Seen One, You've Seen 'Em All
Dumb as a post. "friend" must really be an anti-Semite if the names Kreingold and Kronberg seem identical to him/her/them. Kind of like the "all you people look alike to me" thing.
But because inquiring minds want to know, I have no doubt that "friend" will check with Babs Boyd about whose legal name is what, and can always refer to all the legal documents out there, from the various "LaRouche trials," for confirmation.
Desperate to know why "friend" isn't an LC member. As we used to say, if he/she/it isn't, they're missing a paycheck (or the moral equivalent of one. Snort.)
An--not a. Great Scott, man--have you no sense of euphony?
P.S. Didn't intend to imply that "friend" was being mean to me--intended to imply that she/he/they might be trying to be mean to those whose name it actually is.
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