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    Quote Originally Posted by thistime View Post
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    Regarding our old thread, maybe you can see the the clear and present prejudice she's inclined to when applying her censorship.

    I personally complained to the administrators that I believe many of the images were offensive not only to myself, but to others as well. Especially in light of the topics that we were dealing with.
    I see what you mean. Might she some sort of Bi, militant athiest? Aside from your link I think her membership has just been pulled. Her biography is a little odd, too. The other moderator is Erma. Try sending her a DM/PM unless you actually went all the way to the top. If you did, WOW!

    AOL had some bigoted moderators in the past. Some of them went down, too, largely due to members' complaints. BTW, I find some of Rita's album pictures offensive, too.
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    Default More Rita. Is that some sort of Talaban code she's talking at the end?

    • About Rita Mordio
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    Default Thistime

    There is also something in Terms of Service about posting only in English. Clearly her Status updates are in a foreign, maybe made up tongue. It could be text messaging code. Who did you actually report her to?
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    Default It's over. Move on...

    Screw Rita and her Nazi Mods.

    Forget about Citi-data; it's toast, just like WaukTown forums.

    What matters is that Ed and his homo-cult got SPANKED on the largest public forum in Hampton Roads history. I consider it a victory, and an honor to have been part of it.

    The fact that the thread was obliterated is inconsequential. They can't back-peddle, and it's way too late for damage control. It's a shame a valuable literary work was lost (I'm still crying about the Hubcap poem) but we re-group and move on to another front.

    It will take a helluva lot more than the removal of a thread to discourage me. I'm not going to be intimidated by a bunch of child-molesting soap-selling freaks out for the almighty $$. My ego hasn't even taken a dent. So screw them. I'm still eating my popcorn, and drinking my vodka, and laughing my a$$ off at the fact that CFCMI has always generated their own bad publicity that does more damage than we could ever inflict. (Naming a field after a pedophile and letting their creepy Yoonick "poster children" wander the base comes to mind.) Let them reap as they sow.

    Peace Out.
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    I refuse to crucify Onetime or anyone else for calling a spade a spade.

    (or a pig a pig, for that matter.)

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    I'm not crucifying anyone, but when people push things too far that is what happens. People can't go around launching personal attacks without their thread being locked/deleted. Wauk Town was much the same way. I think those people were a bit too schitzy, however.

    We can be just as effective and not use words like: HOMO, PIG, SLUT, WHORE, FAG, QUEER...

    What we can agree on is, that although that thread no longer exists, word of mouth by the 47 thousand who read it will just keep going...and going...and going...just like the Energizer Bunny. Just think of that. Maybe the media will actually look into it. If nothing else, it will cut into their business endeavours. The damage is done.
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    Default Not at all disenchanted or chagrined

    "What matters is that Ed and his homo-cult got SPANKED on the largest public forum in Hampton Roads history. I consider it a victory, and an honor to have been part of it.

    The fact that the thread was obliterated is inconsequential. They can't back-peddle, and it's way too late for damage control. It's a shame a valuable literary work was lost (I'm still crying about the Hubcap poem) but we re-group and move on to another front."

    TJ



    I feel likewise, but had to relate the story for it significance historically.


    Be creative, and let's kick 'em in the crotch this time, instead of just goosin' them in the side.

    Instead of circling the wagons, as L.R. would do, I say we set fire to them and charge the fight afoot.
    Last edited by thistime; 07-17-2009 at 01:13 AM. Reason: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ALL THE QUEERS IN HAMPTON ROADS<<<<<<<<

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    Default It's not all lost my friend

    Quote Originally Posted by turningjapanese View Post
    It's a shame a valuable literary work was lost (I'm still crying about the Hubcap poem) but we re-group and move on to another front.
    As the floods of God
    Wash away sin city
    They say it was written
    In the page of the Lord
    But I was looking
    For that great jazz note
    That destroyed
    The walls of Jericho

    The winds of fear
    Whip away the sickness
    The messages on the tablet
    Was valium
    As the planets form
    That golden cross Lord
    I'll see you on
    The holy cross roads

    After all this time
    To believe in Jesus
    After all those drugs
    I thought I was Him
    After all my lying
    And a-crying
    And my suffering
    I ain't good enough
    I ain't clean enough
    To be Him

    The tribal wars
    Burning up the homeland
    The fuel of evil
    Is raining from the sky
    The sea of lava
    Flowing down the mountain
    The time will sleep
    Us sinners by

    Holy rollers roll
    Give generously now
    Pass the hubcap please
    Thank you Lord
    It will take a helluva lot more than the removal of a thread to discourage me. I'm not going to be intimidated by a bunch of child-molesting soap-selling freaks out for the almighty $$. My ego hasn't even taken a dent. So screw them. I'm still eating my popcorn, and drinking my vodka, and laughing my a$$ off at the fact that CFCMI has always generated their own bad publicity that does more damage than we could ever inflict. (Naming a field after a pedophile and letting their creepy Yoonick "poster children" wander the base comes to mind.) Let them reap as they sow.
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    Maybe you're rubbing off on me....
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    Default Request for ban granted

    I requested that Rita M ban me for life at Citi-Data. Request granted.

    I would never be a member of a forum that would have Rita M as a member.

    To those of you who think we should tone it down: I respect your opinion. I really do.

    But I respectfully disagree. The reason that the Citi-Data CFC thread became #1 is because I did what the hell I wanted to do. Not what someone else thought I should f-ing do.

    Sometime/Thistime/Twotime/TangoJuliettime did the same.

    “I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell.” – Harry S Truman
    Let's tell the ugly truth and win this thing.

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    Basically, I went over her head. I'm not leaving, just cutting back. She is just a Gen-Y volunteer lackey with no real power. I'll let you know what sort of DM/PM I get from the real brass.
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    Default CFCMI, CityData.com -vs- The Smothers Brothers


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    Default CFCMI: Trial History - The Excerpts.

    MR PAVETIC:

    Rick Hahn who has been given court leave to be present in court during these proceedings has been in and out of this courtroom so often that we would almost need a turn style at that doorway there.

    Honestly, Judge, I don't think that any of us have to be brain surgeons to figure out that witnesses testify and then miraculously new evidence is furnished once that testimony is completed. That violates the rules of discovery. Again, I'm not suggesting that there is willful violation by Mr. Will or Mr. Briscoe but nevertheless church members present in the courtroom upon listening to testimony are then gathering new evidence never in the cracks disclosed to the state during the now nine months - nine month life of this case and that is a discovery violation.

    Clearly anything that's tendered is suspect but my argument doesn't simply just go to the weight that's being tendered.


    pages 000721 - 000722 transcripts L. R. Davis Trial via courtesy of JustCFCMIHelp.com, AbusiveChurches.org



    Rich Hahn, in one of his early weasel roles for his mentor in homosexuality.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb7VU...eature=related
    Last edited by thistime; 07-17-2009 at 07:05 PM. Reason: Honoring Rick Hahn's pioneer spirit in the gay cause!

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    Default The CFCMI System

    In managing our business, we use an approach that’s based on a philosophy called “systems thinking.” Systems thinking is a way of understanding an organization that emphasizes the relationships among a system's parts, rather than the parts themselves. We believe organizations are systems that are best managed holistically—considering the whole, not the individual parts. As with the human body, this means visible “pain” in one area of the business may actually be a symptom of a real, invisible problem somewhere else.

    There is a saying in business “Put a good performer in a bad system and the system will win every time.” It’s extremely hard to fight against the system when you are immersed in it. If you take any actions that are contrary to the “system,” organizational “antibodies” will deal with you as if you were virus. Which in this sense, you really are. Anybody ever tried to implement large-scale change in a company or organization? Easy isn’t it! Yes, even beneficial change is strongly resisted.

    When I first came into contact with LR Davis and the Good News Singers, I was not impressed at all. LR was a name dropper to me (“We sang for Mickey Rooney”…WTF cares). The people I met were OK and nice (Paine, Hamby, others), but they were unremarkable. Some ever looked creepy to me (Thomas for one—he had this sickly, jaundiced look about him as if he was fighting a disease). No, I didn’t see a lot of “good news” here. My first impression of CFI proved to be dead on the mark.

    So why did I later become involved with this wonderful, “world changing” organization?

    Well, other members of my family bought the message, hook, line and sinker. So over time, if I wanted to see the family, I had to go see them where they were—usually in Waukegan. When I visited, I was immersed in the CFI “system.” I would have people show me around—talk about all of the great works done by the ministry. Pictures with important people. Endorsements. I would see an endless parade of people whose “lives have been changed” (for the good they told me). They certainly seemed so sincere and being immersed in a "sea of sincerity" can have a powerful affect on you. (I obviously learned later that they were all sincerely wrong.)

    They used a powerful tactic with me: “the bible says this” and “the bible says that.” The prima facie evidence for many of their claims, positions and beliefs appeared convincing and compelling. One guy told me after an extended session “I think you know deep down inside that this is right. God will now hold you accountable for what you have learned here. Why don’t you act on that right now?”

    I was surrounded by several zealous “servants of God.” My family was involved and all seemed so happy. The pressure on me was overwhelming. If I gave in, I’d be accepted and I’d belong. (The heading instinct in humans is extremely powerful.)

    After several more hours, they flipped me. As John Cady says, I “drank the Kool-Aid.” What I didn’t’ fully understand, I accepted by faith. But I later learned there is such a thing as toxic faith.

    Because I didn’t live in Waukegan, my involvement with CFI over the next couple of years was a long-distance one. I’d show up when I had vacation time and so forth. That’s another story for another time. I will say that when I did have the opportunity to spend a few months up there with them, I was one virus that the CFI antibodies couldn’t kill.

    Two observations:

    First, in the-most-popular-ever-now-deleted Citi-Data thread, I once said:
    The biggest red flag for me is when others say “The bible says this,” or “the bible says that.” When I hear this kind of stuff, I want to say “the bible says go f*ck yourself.”

    If one picks and chooses his or her own scriptures, one can make the bible say anything one wants it to. LR used to use the bible as a club IMHO. It still is for the emasculated leadership today.

    The bible is a unique and wonderful collection of books that must be considered as a whole. Those that prefer some verses and ignore others do things like start cults and build an army of followers out of fear. The world is full of suckers. Scripture twisters use the bible as a weapon. They terrorize other people. They take advantage of other people's sincere desire to try to do good and they turn that into a power pyramid with them on top.
    In other words, cults do not use “systems thinking” when they consider the bible. They pick and choose the verses that support whatever points the wish to make at any particular time (always with the goal to make you feel guilty).

    Second, when a person is immersed in the “system” of the cult, it is extremely difficult to break free. The system usually wins every time. Look at some of the human wreckage and debris that’s there now to see how “successful” CFCMI has been here.

    So if you want to know why I sometimes push the envelope in my comments and not be as tactful as others might wish me to be, it’s the utter disgust and contempt I have for the leadership of CFCMI.

    Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice — Barry Goldwater
    In my view, a little extremism in the fight against CFCMI is no vice either.

    So keep the pressure up. Someday people might even thank you for having the courage to fight.

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    Default A whole lot of lookin going on

    This thread has 1224 views in its first 8 days. Only two other threads in this forum have topped 4000 views and they've been in existence for well over a year.

    Credit thistime and turningjapanese who have made virtually all of the posts.

    Fighters extraordinaire!

    (Methinks it ain’t women, children or the faint of heart reading this stuff.)

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    Default CFCMI - History Channel - Paine and Thomas women under oath.

    She had already rambled on about how common knowledge it was that her father used to pull up his pant leg to show his "splotches" from him being a cripple as a child...how God healed him of this.

    This is how much respect Jeff Pavletic had for Debbie Paine when he opened his cross examination of her, especially in light of the fact that prosecutors are generally a bit more sympathetic and sensitive to a defendants immediate family.


    CROSS-EXAMINATION

    By Mr. Pavelic:


    Q) Have you ever seen your father drop his pants and show people the rash around his crotch?

    A) No, I haven't.

    Q) Have you ever seen that?

    By the way, Ms. Paine, if I ask you any questions and you don't understand them, you will be sure to remind me of that; is that correct?

    A) Sure.

    Pages 001660 7/9/92 L R Davis trial transcripts courtesy of AbusiveChurches.org


    Talk about shock and awe, Pavletic is my dawg.

    Just like L.R.'s sentences, Debbie and Pam's testimonies run consecutively. They are not long, and you should see how Pavletic laid hot coals to roast the two pigs.

    Enjoy!

    Debbie's testimony starts on July 9,1992, pg 1654, Pam's follows at pg 1678.

    http://abusivechurches.org/transcripts/index.html

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    Default CFCMI's founding pastor and prophet, L.R. Davis - The Verdict

    Probably my favorite article of all time. It's got everything in there, including Debbie's ambulance drama....

    Aaahhh! The smell of fresh press ink in the morning! To me...to me it smells like...victory.




    DAVIS CONVICTED ON 19 SEX ABUSE COUNTS


    By Robert Enstad.


    Published: Saturday, July 11, 1992

    Section: NEWS

    Page: 1


    Rev. Lloyd R. Davis was convicted Friday night by a Lake County judge on all 19 counts of criminal sexual abuse, criminal sexual assault, and child pornography.

    Lake County Circuit Judge Christopher Starck said there was no doubt in his mind that the 56-year-old Waukegan minister had repeatedly sexually abused a 14-year-old boy who was in his charge in 1988.

    ``This is a sad case,`` the judge said. ``It is a sad case for all the people who are here and believe in L.R. Davis. It is a sad case for all of us.``

    The judge immediately ordered Davis jailed, culminating more than a decade of public accusations that Davis had engaged in sexual acts with male members of his Christian Fellowship Church. Davis is a self-proclaimed bishop. Prosecutor Jeffrey Pavletic said that Davis will face a maximum of 60 years in prison when he is sentenced on Aug. 16.

    ``He will go to prison. He has no chance for probation, `` Starck said.

    The minister appeared calm and showed little reaction as the judge announced his decision shortly after 9 p.m. Friday. But one of his daughters, Debra Paine, collapsed in the corridor outside the courtroom. She was taken from the court building on a stretcher by Waukegan paramedics. She was treated and released from St. Therese Medical Center in Waukegan.

    Paine was one of numerous relatives and church members who had testified on Davis` behalf.

    But the judge said in rendering his decision that most of these witnesses were financially dependent on Davis and his church or related or had been accused of some of the same sexual acts.

    ``The credibility of the defense witnesses leaves much to be desired in the eyes of the court,`` Starck told a jammed courtroom.

    He said the issue was not whether Davis is a homosexual or whether the Christian Fellowship Church is a cult, but whether the minister had sexually abused two teenage boys in his care.

    One of the alleged victims recanted his accusations against Davis during the trial. But Starck said Cesar Lopez, 20, is ``a liar.`` The judge relied instead on written and videotaped statements that Lopez had given to investigators for the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Illinois Department of Children and Family Services.

    Both young men now live in Tijuana, Mexico.

    The state`s case was based on the testimony of the other youth, now 18. He stated that he engaged in numerous sexual acts with Davis in 1988 in the minister`s church and offices in Waukegan.

    Prosecutors Matthew Chancey and Pavletic said, in summations in the trial Friday, that the young man was just one of many young persons who have been victimized by Davis and his church.

    ``This case is about misplaced trust,`` said Pavletic, an assistant Lake County state`s attorney. ``The people who gravitated to the Christian Fellowship Church had a thirst for God . . . they trusted him (Davis). They saw him as a man of God.``

    But defense attorneys Robert P. Will Jr. and Thomas A. Briscoe maintained that Davis had been framed by disgruntled former members of the Christian Fellowship Church, which has churches in the United States, Mexico and Sri Lanka. The church is based in Waukegan.

    They claimed that the Tijuana youth who testified against Davis was motivated by a $2 million civil suit he filed against the minister in May. That suit is pending in San Diego County, Cal.

    ``What we have been saying for months is that it was done for money,`` Will said in his summation to Starck. He maintained that the real issue in the case is whether the youth told the truth during his two days of testimony in the trial.

    The state maintained that Davis` long history of sexual misconduct with members of his church, and not the civil suit, was behind the criminal charges. Davis also is facing trial in San Diego for allegedly sexually assaulting the same youth in California.

    ``This case is not about money. It is about fraud. This fraud,`` said Pavletic, pointing to Davis in the courtroom.

    The verdict means that Peter Paine, the husband of Debra Paine, is likely to emerge as the leader of the nondenominational and fundamentalist Christian Fellowship Church. Church bylaws provide that Peter Paine, who is the assistant pastor of the church, is to succeed Davis if he is unable to carry out his duties.

    Second in line in succession, according to the church bylaws, is Rev. Edward Thomas, another son-in-law and pastor of a Christian Fellowship Church in Norfolk, Va.
    Peter Paine said after the verdict that neither he nor other family members cared to make any comment. But he said they would appeal Davis` conviction.

    Starck decided on the issues in the case after Davis and his attorneys opted not to have a jury trial.

    Since the early 1980s, public accusations have been made that Davis engaged in homosexual orgies with members of his church and often preyed on sailors from bases in North Chicago, San Diego and Norfolk. But until Friday night`s decision, none of the charges have ever been proved in a court of law. In an earlier criminal trial in Lake County for sexual assault, Davis was acquitted of all charges.

    Starck said that certain common threads emerged from the testimony of the Mexican youths and of 10 men who testified in the trial that they had sex with Davis as adults.

    Starck said these common elements were that Davis is a homosexual, that he has sex with boys and men, that he often had conversations about masturbation, and that he used threats of death and damnation against people who might expose him.

    The judge said that Davis was not ``a good shepherd leading his flock`` but rather a man who led his believers down a path of sexual abuse.

    Will conceded that he had a difficult time defending Davis.

    ``We have had a tall hill to climb in this case,`` said Will, of Waukegan. ``I think this is true in all sex cases. Once a sexual accusation is made, not a thousand denials will stem the tide of public perception.``



    C 2000, The Tribune Company. The Tribune Company archives are stored on a SAVE (tm) newspaper library system from MediaStream, Inc., a Knight-Ridder Inc. company.
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    Default My hero

    Jeff Pavletic is a hall of fame superstar. Thistime and Adrienne Drell are too. But my real hero is Judge Christopher C. Starck. Follow his comments in full starting on page 1834 to the happy conclusion on page 1837 (emphasis mine):

    It’s a rare situation when I can sit in court and without any question in my mind say that witnesses have come to court and lied and Mr. Lopez is a liar. Mr. Escobar is a liar, and there is no doubt about that. They have told us they are liars and no one should be surprised by that. They are self-admitted liars. They have come to court, that have lied sometime, they either lied when they told their story initially or they lied and they recanted their stories, but at some point they lied.

    As I told you, again, I reviewed the tape, the recantation tape of Mr. Lopez and, again, listened to the audiotape, which was taped on June 23, 1989, the tape in which Mr. Castillo and various other members of the Christian Fellowship Church in San Diego voiced their support for Reverend Davis and his ministry.

    I also reviewed in connection with those tapes the testimony of Dan Lantis and Peter Paine and considered their testimony, their demeanor, their way of speaking in court.

    The audiotape contains certain catch phrases and the people in the audiotape basically say the same things, each of them recanting or denying homosexuality. They are so happy and so joyful to be in the church and to have found that ministry. The same type of things over and over. They are not word for word but they are the same type of statements throughout the audiotape.

    I have watched the recanting tape, as I stated, and some of the language of Mr. Lopez in that tape is clearly not Mr. Lopez’ language. “Whosoever need this tape,” he said twice. He said some other phrases that really stuck in my mind. I saw Mr. Lopez speak and I heard Dan Lantis’ words. Those words were clearly not his. Why would he change his mind? Well, I don’t know. Whether the church is a church or a cult or whatever, again, is not before the Court.

    A church or a cult has incredible influence over its believers. Mr. Chancey has noted a possible explanation for the change in the story of Mr. Lopez and that has some merit to it. Whether it’s superstition, whether it’s money, for whatever reason, he has changed his story and that change cast grave doubt on his testimony in court. I found the tape to be totally unconvincing and that cast, as I said, grave doubt upon his credibility when he comes to court.

    I have looked at all of the witnesses and, in particular, in addition to the ones I have spoken about to the defense witnesses, examined their ability and opportunity to recall, their memory, their manner while testifying, the interest, bias and prejudice that they have and the reasonableness of their testimony considered in the light of all the evidence in this case. Most of the witnesses for the defendant are dependent upon the Christian Fellowship Church for their livelihood to some extent. Many of them are accused of the same or similar acts either in this case or by the testimony in this case. Three of them are related to the defendant by blood or by marriage. Two of them gave directly contrary prior statements. The credibility of the defense witnesses leaves much to be desired in the eyes of the court.

    It is clear to the Court’s mind from the testimony of both of the victims, Mr. Lopez in his original statement and Mr. Castillo here in court, that the defendant was in a position of trust with respect to these two minor children. He was their pastor. They were both apparently of a strong faith in seeking to develop a stronger faith, and seeking to be perhaps ordained as ministers some day, seeking to do the Will of God, the Will of Christ. Both of them are thousands of miles from home, both of them dependent upon the church and, in particular, L.R. Davis for their food, shelter and all of their accessories.

    This is a sad case. It’s a sad case for Alphonso Castillo, for Caesar Lopez. It’s a sad case for all of the good people who are here and who believe in L.R. Davis. It’s a sad case for all of us, very sad case.

    It is abundantly clear to the Court that the State has, indeed proven its case beyond a reasonable doubt. L.R. Davis, I find you guilty of each and every remaining count in this complaint. Your guilt has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

    — Judge Christopher C. Starck
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    Default Keeping it in the family

    I like the "ambulance drama." I didn't realize Deb was theatrically inclined.

    She knew her Dad was a homo; after all, didn't they share a few lovers? (That concept may be perfectly acceptable in Anal Creek, Arkansas but not up here in the northern states..hence, the syphilis concerns.)



    One thing I have not seen discussed is the child porn charges against LR.

    Can anyone elaborate on that?

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    Default Spiritual ventriloquists

    It’s funny how easy it is to see through BS when you have a clear mind and you are willing to use it. Judge Christopher C. Starck listened to all of the evidence presented in court. He found the defense witnessess to not be credible. Any sane, rational person would draw the same conclusion.

    The Judge heard certain “catch phrases” repeated over and over again. When one person talked, he actually heard someone else’s words. Almost like there was a ventriloquist at play. Mind control and coaching was evident. Everyone in Christian Fellowship fit uniformly into that “body.”

    Reminds me of an old Star Trek episode “The Return of the Archons.” As Kirk and the gang visit some planet, they find a weird culture where everyone walks around with dumb smiles on their faces and acting pretty much the same. The entire culture is controlled by a group of “lawgivers” known as "The Body" which, in turn, is controlled by some cat named (General Pastor?) Landru. Landru had the ability to control the attitude and conduct of individuals through a process called absorption. Once absorbed, a person’s individuality and free will were largely subordinated to the instructions and ideas supplied telepathically by Landru. Everyone acts mind-numbed and peaceful except during Red Hour where Landru let’s everyone throw away all inhibition and act anyway they want. It kind of reminds me of LR who had strong and complete control over his subjects, but he did allow and sanction homosexual orgies to let the boys “blow off a little steam.” (He was such a caring man.)

    Once, during my relatively brief stay with the organization, some greenhorn newbie member who was with me doing something at the Servicemen’s Center in North Chicago, told he wanted to run over to the store around the corner and buy something to eat. I remember shaking my head slowly and replying: “Landru does not permit it.” He looked at me funny. I said never mind and then proceeded to “clarify” the rules for him.

    If you want a quick chuckle:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao9Wxov9lQM

    As thistime pointed out earlier by highlighting the Debbie Paine/Pam Thomas testimony, notice how they can “remember” the events of Christmas of 1969, but cannot remember much else. Neither of them have a frikken clue how much money their husbands make. It was like they had done the “Vulcan mind meld” with each other prior to testifying (not that there was a hell of a lot of “minds” to meld here in this case).

    And these are people who claim to be the chosen ones.

    Landru would be proud.

    PS: Ed Thomas and Peter Paine can add ventriloquism to their long list of achievements and accomplishments. They’re damn good at it!
    Last edited by onetime; 07-19-2009 at 06:39 PM.

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