The Twelve Tribes are on the wrong path...

[nabashalam]

They think they are right, they are wrong, but their hearts are in the right place...

No need to circle the wagons, lock the doors or... Or pat yourself on the back because you think your on the right track! NOT!

There is no clandestine plans that I know of where there are folks out to destroy, take down or persecute the The Communities of the Twelve Tribes. I just know that their are many out here, "in the world", who have left the Tribes, been booted out of the Tribes or would love to go in if only... if only they would finally act like the one they are following. That's the problem! They are acting like Yoneq! Not Yahshua! They are not mirroring the unconditional love of the Messiah! For one, you have to have the Holy Spirit to be able to produce such supernatural love!

So there is no call for the Elders who watch this site from the shadows to add to their delusion that they must be doing something right because of all the "persecution" they are receiving or paranoically fantasize that they will be getting from the "evil one"

There are some there that truly believe I am a henchmen for Satan here to destroy there efforts to raise up the 144,000 and thwart the return of Messiah. If it wasn't such a serious charge about such a critical matter for the souls of men I would laugh but I can't due to it's magnitude and its consequences.

The Tribes need to know that their are hundreds possibly thousands that want to see them succeed! To bring about the return of Yahshua Ha'Mashiach !

But in my heart I know there are some elders who read this who know my heart and knew my heart when I served there with everything I had. Who heard my cry out, literally scream so loud that the fish jumped out of the water when I was baptized. All 3 times!

There are disciples there who know that this world does not HAVE 50 years left to "run the race" which is no scriptural to begin with and reeks of the LAW. Also the fact that they literally don't have the numbers to produce 144,00 males let along virgin ones! And that the they are not boys unsullied by female flesh but by the Harlot and her sisters! The Roman Catholic Church and all her offspring and denominations. Ones who weren't brought up in them or injected with them. Ones who know only the pure Gospel. The WORD. The LIVING WORD Yahshua ha'Mashiach.

Now in order for them to do that, they will need help, they will need numbers and most of all they will need the power of the Holy Spirit that roared through the house on the Pentecost and turned the disciples into the most powerful evangelists ever known. They will need the "Later Rain" and they will need to be ready for it and worthy of it. And were I am standing right now the elders are stained with numerous unconfessed sins. They know what they have done, what they have ordered. They know they have held their tongues when they should have spoken out against the edicts they followed just to appease Yoneq and the rest of the ruling class.

Why do you think they are so stunted? Why are they at Zero population growth? Why do children born and raised there
leave? Why are there as many leaving as there are joining? The amount of those being grafted in are the same amount as the fruit falling off the tree and rotting on the ground.

They may have had the Holy Wind at one time but they have lost it, grieved it and I think as a reminder to Yoneq "He" has left him the same number of converts as were saved in one day with the Holy Spirit's help. 3,000.

So when will you listen? When will you take your fingers out of your ears and your hands away from your eyes and SEE just what is going on! See what needs, no not needs, HAS TO BE DONE in order for you to accomplish your goal of His return? Prepare ye the way of the Sovereign! Be found worthy of the "Later Rain" or all is for not...

[nabashalam]

Who's listening to Yahshua?
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Body Meeting - September 2, 1990

"Mary Wiseman's Death"

These notes are the results of a meeting of the "Body" (the
available gathered membership of Messianic Communities) after the
death of Mary Wiseman. The purpose of the meeting was to "discern"
the cause of Mary's death. Why had God allowed this young woman, who
was the wife of the second-in-command (Hakam), to die at such a young
age, and in such a painful, lingering way? Why had God not heard the
prayers of the membership? From CAIC:
http://www.culthelp.info/index.php?o...=2426&Itemid=8
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Kesher and Sarah:

When it was all over the elders called for a judgment and Daniel said
it was to find out why Sarah had died. Sarah said "I'm not dead!?!"
and Daniel said if Kesher would have had faith and she would have stayed
in the body she would have died and we must know why our Father wanted
her dead.

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Jhn 9:1 And as [Jesus] passed by, he saw a man which was blind from
[his] birth.

Jhn 9:2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin,
this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?

Jhn 9:3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents...



Jhn 8:4 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken
in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,

Jhn 8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery,
in the very act.

Jhn 8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be
stoned: but what sayest thou?

Jhn 8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse
him. But Jesus stooped down, and with [his] finger wrote on the
ground, [as though he heard them not].

Jhn 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and
said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a
stone at her.


Now this was almost 20 years ago but if they have changed and see how they have been wrong then shouldn't they let that be known? And repent and apologize in tears to those they hurt with this? Like Mary's children? Her husband is another story...

But it is apparent they havent changed there ways with the "Kesher and Sarah" judgment.

Let's not forget seeing the double standard in plain sight with the Ha'Emeq judgment.

[nabashalam]

Yoneq got the hand picked leaders to conspire to keep the offense against the "Body" a secret. A secret kept from the proletariat. The only way to rectify the situation is to either execute the same discipline on the perpetrator that others got or to make a
public confession that the writings that were supposedly given by God are not infallible.

This would either demand that Yoneq confess that he unjustly brought judgment on othersor maintain that the writings that he issued were correct and then be consistent in executing the same justice to Ha 'emeq that he layed on others. Truth must be consistent, it can not exist in hypocrisy. Yahshua told us to "beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy".The problem here is that if he admits error in his
execution of judgments on others, then it begs the question as to what other teachings and executions that he is in error of?

For example, those whose marriages were dissolved because he encouraged members to divorce spouses who either left for one reason or another, or were thrown out in judgment on the basis of his teachings or opinions. How many families were/are ruined by this? How many women have children by a former husband and then again by their husband that she replaced him with from the tribes? How many people have left God all together because of his, Yoneq's misrepresentations?

Yoneq needs to publicly make confession and repent of these atrocities and ask forgiveness from God and those whose lives he ruined, or he will be cast into the
very lake of fire that he has so often threatened others into in order to control them into his idea of truth and obedience. And anyone who continues with him in this farce is going with him. Anyone who sees the inconsistencies and does nothing to correct them is truly a coward, lacks integrity and dishonors God. Due to the clear cut
defiance of his own supposedly God sent writings concerning illicit association and adulterous behavior, and causing those below him in authoritive stations to defy such directives from God, he has made" the truth" a lie and therefore caused his minions to become "liars that listen to liars" for perpetuating this scandalous and hypocritical cover up and all the other suppositions that he taught that lie against the Truth. It is Yoneq himself who has broken the covenant of one heart and one mind. He has become the enemy of unity.

The true God of all creation awaits His name to be cleared from Yoneq's dark misrepresentations.

"Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to do and doesn't do it, sins."

[nabashalam]

The TT will probably consider this a badge of courage...(like they need more pride right?)

But they made the number 4 slot on the Christian Answers Network web site...

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-ai...op10cults.html

and of course they will say it is just persecution from the evil one...

Dear God when will all the men in the tribes finally "man up" and take responsibility for their lives and live their lives with their respective families and maybe, just maybe, enjoy life for a change instead of just "acting" like they enjoy their lives to please their overmasters...

[nabashalam]

and to the Elders of the Twelve Tribes...

Ravenous Wolves

To anyone who would criticize the exposure of the conspiracy that has
been entered into by the leaders of the Twelve Tribes, let them consider the the true picture.

They may point to the scriptures about the woman being judged for engaging in adultery as justification to excuse the actions of one of their leaders in authority and claim an unholy accusation by those that have brought the matter to light, but be assured, there is
no comparison at all.

The woman accused of adultery was being used to trap Yahshua into a situation where they could prove that He disregarded the law. He therefore showed that those who were guilty of evil in their own lives had no right to bring accusation against another. "Let he that is without sin cast the first stone".

Therefore, to those who would hide their sins, put on airs of rightousness, while securing uneven priveledges for themselves while demanding a cleanliness of heart that they do not even meet; our Savior had direct, clear cutting rebukes for:

"Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in [yourselves], nor do you allow those who are entering to go in. Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows' houses, and for a pretense make long prayers. Therefore you will receive greater condemnation. "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.
Mat.23:12-15

"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cumin, and have neglected the weightier [matters] of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel! "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cleanse the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of extortion and self-indulgence.Blind Pharisee, first cleanse the inside of the cup and dish, that the outside of them may be clean also.

"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead [men's] bones and all uncleanness.Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of
hypocrisy and lawlessness. Mat.23:23-28

"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor [can] a bad tree bear good fruit.
Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them. "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name? And then I will declare to them, I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
Mat. 7:15-23.

To those who would hear and repent and make right for all the hurt that they had done, He offers mercy. He who covers his sins will not prosper, But whoever confesses and forsakes [them] will have mercy.
Proverbs 28:13

Seek the LORD while He may be found, Call upon Him while He is near. Let the wicked forsake his way, And the unrighteous man his thoughts; Let him return to the LORD, And He will have mercy on him; And to our God, For He will abundantly pardon.

Isaiah 55: 7,8.

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Nabashalom,

My question to you as one of the experts on the Twelve Tribes, is how many people gave up large sums of money and ended up "NINJA" when they left?

Is there encouragement for prospective members to delay liquidation of assets until they are 100% sure they are making a life-long commitment?

On balance, has the TT community done more good or more bad as they have helped the needy, given them a place to stay, work, etc.?

[nabashalam]

Well I would say there are not many if any that gave up large amounts period. And those who did are still there and I would say that is due to their stature or ability to rise quicker then most because of their talents of being able to acquire much to start with. But I do know of one lowly single brother who gave up a huge inheritance which they purchased the farm in Bellows Falls VT that kept a lowly station but that was probably what he wished for and didn't really have the chutspah to make that money to begin with...

And yes...most people are encouraged to "weigh the cost" before they "go to the waters". But they really want you wet as soon as they can. They tell you that you don't need to know everything, just that you need salvation. Some folks are told not to go back to their old lives to settle accounts but to do it from the community with there help. They don't want the "evil one" to talk you out of it and that could be anyone in the world...spouses, relatives, friends and clergy...

"Still another said, "I will follow you, Lord; but first let me go back and say good-by to my family." Yahshua replied, "No one who puts his hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God."


They do not "help the needy" unless they see a prospect of another laborer or potential procreater of the 144,000. I was told to tell a hungry passe through to leave because "we aren't running a soup kitchen here".


And if you want to put them on a scale... I would say there are lbs of good on one side but tons of damage of all kinds, physical, mental, emotional and spiritual, on the other side... Years of it...

[nabashalam]

Powerful words that ring true...



This is from someone who had a relative join the Tribes and was courted by his relatives to join. They checked out the Tribes and here their conclusion to the matter.

They wish to stay anonymous because they do not want to be "cut off" from their family in the Tribes. And so they shall stay anonymous.

"To say that the Holy Spirit resides only in the Twelve Tribes defies
the clearly defining revelation of it's work by the scriptures. To
claim that for nineteen hundred years the world had no impartation of
the Holy Spirit is to claim that nobody had heaven's power to over
come sin in their life, for it is only by this power of the Spirit
that man becomes restored. "For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall
die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the flesh ye
shall live" "for as many are led by the Spirit of God, they are the
sons of God. Rom. 8:13,14.

By the teaching of the Twelve Tribes, no man has become a
new man by the only way it can happen, through the
Holy Spirit, and for nineteen hundred years men have only been able to
walk in the flesh. This means that all their goodness can only have
been an outward, worldly, politeness and not the unrequiting love that
comes upon men through the work of the Holy Spirit. By the teaching of
the Twelve Tribes we would have to come to believe that no man or
woman has been capable of true love to their God or their fellow man
for all these hundreds of years. We would have to believe that if one
who has led a wicked life, and should happen upon the biblical
scriptures, and is encompassed by a Spirit that he has never before
experienced which brings about a conviction of right living unto God
and man, that the Holy Spirit was not the cause of this? That it was
an angel? No angel has been given such power to convict a man of sin,
and righteousness, and judgment. This, as scripture reveals, can only
be effected by the work of the Holy Spirit, for this is the reason it
was given. Speaking of this ministry of "the Comforter", the "Holy
Spirit",Yahshua says, " When he is come, he will reprove THE WORLD of
sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment" John 16:8 (When? only
since the Body of the Twelve Tribes has formed?, and nobody has been
convicted of sin, righteousness, or judgement for nineteen hundred
years prior? can you not see the absurdity of such a teaching?)

Our heavenly Father speaks to us in His word. He says " to as many as
received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to
them who believe on His name" John 1:12 ". Name" is synonymous with
character, therefore, those believing on His name are those who render
obedience to Him that He gives this power, which is the Holy Spirit if
we are to believe Romans 8:13 and John 1:12. He says that He gives His
Spirit to those who obey Him. "The God of our fathers raised up
Yahshua ...Him hath God exalted with His right hand to be a Prince and
a saviour for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
And we are His witnesses of these things, and so is also the Holy
Ghost, whom God hath given TO THEM THAT OBEY HIM. And, if you hear the Word of God and turn from it in disobedience, then you will not
receive the Holy Spirit: "...if any man have not the Spirit of
Yahshua, he is none of His" Rom. 8:9.

Having these truths brought out can only bring us to understand that
whomever comes by His word and renders obedience in what he
understands of it, will be given the Holy Spirit.Therefore, we must
realize that there are many amongst the denominations, or even those
who read and hear the Word of God anywhere they be, in the masses of
society or in a secluded location, that by obeying all the light that
they understand are counted righteous and in obedience and are gifted
with the Holy Spirit. There are many individuals in the various
churches that are held at variance by their supposed brethren because
they live by the closer understandings of our Father's will that they
have been convicted of by the direction of the Holy Spirit as they
delve deeper and deeper into His word. These are also those that in
our Father's eyes, have not "bowed their knee to Baal". It is an
errantly perceived teaching to consider these faithful ones as not
walking in obedience and devoid of the Holy Spirit's presence in their
lives. We must ask at this point, does the God of heaven have a
special set apart Body In which He is bringing about a work for the
closing days of this Earths, as we now know its, history, that will
produce the 144,00 "virgins" that will give the final warning by the
proclamation of the three angels messages of Revelation 14 and the
call to "come out" of Revelation 18? Yes, it is quite obvious to
anybody that prayerfully studies end time prophecy, that this is why
our Father has brought about the formation of the New Israel, the
Twelve Tribes which are in fulfillment of Revelation 7.

Now realizing that there are many of the denominations and of private study that walk after the Spirit and not the flesh in their daily lives, we have
to acknowledge that these are the they that the Body is to "call out
of her" that they may become one with the Body. "I heard another voice
from Heaven saying, Come out of her MY PEOPLE, that ye be not
partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues"
Revelation 18:4. He calls them "His people", and as we have already
seen, no one can be His unless He has given them His Holy Spirit. We
must cease from this opposition of clear bible truth where we maintain
that "nobody has the Holy Spirit, but those who reside in the Twelve
Tribes". Is one tribe to "call out" from another tribe of the Twelve?
No, His people are the faithful ones around the world that He has
given His Spirit to because of the obedience they rendered to Him in
the best of their understanding. They, as are those in the Twelve
Tribes, are counted righteous for this, and the things that they and
also those of the Tribes had or have yet to understand, are "hid in
Yahshua" like Moses was "hid in the Rock"(Ex.33:22 & Col.3:3) in mercy
until further understanding is revealed. Yahshua was not ashamed to
call us brethren even though we were not yet what He wished us to be,
we, by the same Spirit need to recognize that all those who walk in
obedience of the denominations and the greater populace of society are
counted as His and we should recognize them as brethren. They are the
"Other sheep which are not of this fold". Any failure to recognize
this foments bigotry and spiritual arrogance which is not the spirit
that we were called unto.

The presence of the Holy Spirit is without a doubt within the Twelve
Tribes, but the Twelve Tribes itself is not thee Holy Spirit. Because
the Holy Spirit's presence is felt strongly in the Body of the Twelve
Tribes is by no means to be construed as residing only there. There is
without a doubt a special indwelling for the special revelations
needed for the work of calling the world to repentance and bringing
about the Holy ones and the 144,000, but we can not continue to
believe and teach that the Tribes are the sole possessors.

The Holy Spirit is given to all in the society of men who believe as in the
capacity and spectrum revealed to us in John 16, but the imparting
in the Body is for the bringing about of a special work. There are yet
many things to learn and many to unlearn. Without the corrections that
need so much to be made, all the hard work from over so many years
will come to naught and our Father will have to start again."


Amen and Amen

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To my thinking, the cruelest aspect of the Twelve Tribes is the judgment dumped on other churches as "evil". If one's demand for perfection of others and their religions is such that you reject every religion as bad because it isn't caring enough, its doctrines are suspect, or its members are not righteous, we won't be left with any churches, or like Europe, people who believe that the fellow who came a couple thousands years ago, is not like his modern adherants, and therefore, Christianity, churchianity are a lie.

O.K., if people then become totally discouraged about Christian churches, stop giving to Christian charities or humanitarian organizations, become totally cynical and begin to believe that this is Satan's world, that yes, it is true what the devil told Christ in the three temptations in the wilderness, Satan holds all the power, to follow Jesus, Jahshua, Yah, God, etc. is impossible because they are powerless. So why not follow Satan, live like the devil, stop pretending to be a good person, a Christian, etc. if it's a losing battle? The last I checked the church of Satan is still very active, they are recruiting members, and there are Satan-like organizations, totally calloused about the poor, the weak, the needy, the hurting.

The church is no better than its members. There are conscientious leaders in all the churches. There are Episcopal ministers who are separating from the church over the homosexual bishop and tolerance for the like. It comes down to what is moral, what is ethical behavior, what does it mean to be a Christian, to live a caring life so that perhaps there will be an afterlife for me if I do as Matthew 5, 6, and 7 teaches, and find others who want to do the same thing.

[nabashalam]

Could they fall into the 2nd eternal destiny? They are told to "Come out of Her" but what if they really weren't "In Her" to begin with???

Think on that one...

But the more I learn and the more information I receive about the Tribes, inside and out, that it is a real possibility they are a large part of Gods plan. Actually the spear tip... and they are the embryo of what they claim to be...

and yes I am serious.

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Compulsory giving, for one, is not what Acts teaches. There were seven churches in Revelation, they were New Testament, viable churches about which we know something based on Scripture and based on secular history.
They were not all communities where funds were all pooled.

There is a real question of whether the 12 Tribes in the New Testament are natural or spiritual and how the 144,000 are defined--throughout time or in the last days as male virgins (of what age?). Do you have to be 15 years old, 20 or some other age? Why does sex disqualify a male? Is it only coital sex, is one disqualified by fooling around with a girl? Can one be a virgin, and yet have lusted, seen salacious images?

It really seems that the identity movement plays into a highly narcissistic disorder where you and your friends are "special", and much superior to blacks, orientals, mixed "mud" people, the filthy, the unholy, while you and your friends are pure, righteous, holy, the truly saved remnant, worthy of the highest honors and the utmost respect! If it were true, it would be crystal clear. But it isn't.

[nabashalam]

Crystal clear? Not so... "For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known."

The giving is not compulsory. Your heart to give all will bring you to just that along with every thought and action for your brother and not for yourself.

The Tribes in the NT were apparently both. Natural born Jews and Gentiles alike.

physical virgins? I tend to think that the 144,000 will be young men raised in the communities or away from the worldly influences of the organized religions and denominations. Unsullied by The Harlot (Roman Catholic Church) and her sisters and brought up in the true Gospel of Yahshua.

Special? No, just those who realized they needed salvation more then their next breath and had the courage enough to lose their life to save it.

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I don't think we consult the dictionary often enough...

What's a "harlot"? http://www.thefreedictionary.com/harlot

A woman who offers "feel-good" services for money, especially of a low-down sexual nature. There was an example in Solomon's time: http://www.theseventhmillennium.com/...20Midnight.htm

Yes, the Roman Catholic church was regarded as the whore of Babylon who commits fornication with the kings of the earth (Revelation 17)--but they were wrong, dead wrong, Martin Luther and Calvin were wrong about a lot of Bible interpretations.

The "harlot" so described is the goody girl, the one who gives the world all is gadgets and luxuries through unjust and immoral gain, usury, sweat shops, voluntary slave labor, sexual exploitation of men and women, etc.. See Revelation 18. Is the woman and her goods carefully enumerated, the goods of a church? How can people be so dense to associate the harlot of Revelation 18 to churches? The harlot is commercialism, materialism--the harlotry of "free trade" has existed since the Jews were in Babylon, where they learned the artifice of usury and "legal" contracts.

Why is the harlot called "Babylon" and not "Rome" which was the government at the time? It is not coded language. Study the history of Babylon for the answer. What are we supposed to come out of? A church, a commercial system or a civil government? You're wrong if you think that membership in any church will damn you or free you from the curse of the Babylon materialistic system...

The idea that the TTs are the current manifestation of the 144,000 is just speculation. There are many kids that fit this description from conservative church groups. I would submit that the 144,000 are a collective group from the last 2000 years of true believers.

[nabashalam]

How about all 3? A church, a commercial system and a civil government.

Babylon, has long held a place in Abrahamic Religions as a symbol of excess and dissolute power. Many references are made to Babylon in the Bible, both literally and allegorically. The mentions in the Tanakh tend to be historical or prophetic, while New Testament references are more likely figurative, or cryptic references possibly to pagan Rome, or some other archetype.

So let's say the 144,000 are those not defiled by the wares of the Harlot of Babylon...including her false Gods... She is also Rome,the Vatican and the first beast, the one she rides on is the New World Order(one world government) which actually hates her along with the Lamb(true church). the eighth King of the first beast will be the AntiChrist and King of The World who will rule over the leaders of the NWO which is the 7 Kings and & major ruling world countries. (Europe,The Americas, China, Russia, and a few more...Israel and the Middle East might be in there somewhere).

The second beast that came from out of the earth is Satan.

The second beast will have the first beast destroy the harlot and then it will go after the woman about to give birth to the Man Child but God will do the Enoch disappearing act with the 144,000 and the woman in travail (the rest of the Tribes) will flee to a place the beast from the earth can't find them and that God has prepared for them for the 42 months the first beast will rule. He also will wipe out a

And the Tribes never claimed to be raising them all themselves so yes they can come other conservative church groups and communities such as the Amish or the hundreds of backwoods home churches and intentional Acts 2&4 intentional communities. And in time they will all come together. The Nations will poor in... This is what I think is "The wealth of the Nations" in the Tribes teachings. They just don't know it yet..or maybe they do!!!

This passage is about the King of Babylon...Could this be who's the Harlot belongs to?

"When the Lord has given you rest from your pain and turmoil and the hard service with which you were made to serve, you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon: How the oppressor has ceased! How his insolence has ceased! … How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star(Lucifer in Latin), son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low! You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit on the mount of assembly on the heights of Zaphon; I will ascend to the tops of the clouds, I will make myself like the Most High." But you are brought down to Sheol, to the depths of the Pit. Those who see you will stare at you, and ponder over you: "Is this the man who made the earth tremble, who shook kingdoms, who made the world like a desert and overthrew its cities, who would not let his prisoners go home?"

The name Lucifer, the Latin name (literally "Light-Bearer" or "Light-Bringer") for the morning star (the planet Venus in its morning appearances), is often given to Satan in these stories. The brilliancy of the morning star, which eclipses all other stars, but is not seen during the night, may be what gave rise to myths such as the Babylonian story of Ethana and Zu, who was led by his pride to strive for the highest seat among the star-gods on the northern mountain of the gods (an image present also in Ezekiel 28:14), but was hurled down by the supreme ruler of the Babylonian Olympus. Stars were then regarded as living celestial beings and the Jewish Encyclopedia states that the myth concerning the morning star was transferred to Satan by the first century before the Christian Era, citing in support of this view the Life of Adam and Eve and the Slavonic Book of Enoch 29:4, 31:4, where Satan-Sataniel is described as having been one of the archangels. Because he contrived "to make his throne higher than the clouds over the earth and resemble 'My power' on high", Satan-Sataniel was hurled down, with his angels, and since then he has been flying in the air continually above the abyss. The picture of the morning star "fallen from heaven" and "cast down to the earth" appears in Isaiah 14:4-17, where it is used to describe the fate prophesied for the King of Babylon, who is described as aiming to rival God. This passage too has been applied to the fall of Satan, and it is on this basis that the name "Lucifer" (Morning Star) was given to him.


How about this...The first Beast is Babylon and its 7 ages(heads) and 7 Kings. Middle Bronze Age, Late Bronze Age, Iron Age, Persian Babylonia, Hellenistic Babylonia... The Modern Age and the age of the NWO to come...

Rev 17:7 I will explain to you the mystery of the woman (Harlot of Babylon) and of the beast she rides, which has the seven heads and ten horns. 8The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come. 9"This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. 10They are also seven kings. Five have fallen (betcha one is Alexander the Great!), one is (Obama?), the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for a little while.(42 months? 1,260 days?) 11The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.


I also think possibly that the one head that almost died could be the system now, the modern age which is near environnemntal and economic collapse...
"I saw one of his heads as if it had been slain, and his fatal wound was healed And the whole earth was amazed and followed after the beast;"


ok... enough speculating. If you are right with God and obey your conscience, don't take the mark of the NWO, don't deny your faith and are willing to stand up for it I think you'll be OK...

"After all has been heard; the end of the matter is: Fear God [revere and worship Him, knowing that He is] and keep His commandments, for this is the whole of man [the full, original purpose of his creation, the object of God's providence, the root of character, the foundation of all happiness, the adjustment to all inharmonious circumstances and conditions under the sun] and the whole [duty] for every man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it is good or evil."


Rev 2 "Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life."

Rev 13 "If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity he will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword he will be killed. This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the saints."

One more thing to ponder... The fact that the "Woman in travail" had "other offspring" that weren't of the 144,000 who Satan goes after when he can't find her. So there may be folks outside of the communities that will end up in the "Holy" category... Maybe it's those born or raised there who left but still obey the Commandments of Yahshua. Hard to say...for sure...

Rev 12:17So then the dragon was enraged at the woman, and he went away to wage war on the remainder of her descendants--on those who obey God's commandments and who have the testimony of Jesus Christ and adhere to it and bear witness to Him.

[nabashalam]

When it all comes down to it... I want to be living, loving and caring for people of like mindedness and who reflect/emulate the love and life of Messiah and be with them to the end... and trust me...it doesn't take a prophet to figure out that time is real soon...

BTW this would also address your wranglings about compulsory giving.

[McGrody]

[The title has nothing to do with this post. There just happens to be a couple of buildings for sale in Osceola for pretty cheap. But I really liked "Josey Wales" so to me it's kind of cool. Plus I'm Osage.]

First, I read the whole thread. But I sort of forgot the point. (I) Read it a couple of times over the last few days, but the threads showing up topside, then downside when I finally managed to retrieve my password from my email to log in consumed all my short term memory storage...It happens, and not from old age. Been this way from birth. Plus I kept clicking on an older thread right below this one and going "WTF!" when nothing looked like what I'd just read. Life is hardest on the stupid.

Concise response: Abandon all that you know, and think you know, and embark on faith.
Zen-like, sure, but it worked for Abraham.
It's a mistake to try and understand the scriptures. Why? WHY? WHY SUCH HERESY?
Because your using your intellect to understand God and not relying on His Holy Spirit to reveal it to you. If that makes sense then your definitely ahead of the curve. If you immediately thought of at least ten good reasons why that simply isn't adequate...

"Stop trying to hit me and hit me!"

The explanations are meaningless, they are the context the intellect uses to put the world into a frame of reference. Let go.


This is the insanity of the cross. Deal with it.

Seriously.
And if you make me have to try and explain this any further you are so freakin' lazy...

[nabashalam]

Live simply. Love generously. Speak kindly.
Leave the rest to God.

[maskull]

I appreciated your response Nabashalom.

What does true religion look like? The book of James gives a pretty good idea. Faith in action, caution with the tongue, walking in self-judgment.

I believe we do not get the dictionary out often enough. When I confronted a particularly manipulative dissembler with a pocket dictionary once, he was taken aback, and asked "What's that?" The pen is mightier than the sword, the cross is mightier than the switchblade.

Anyone who invokes the name of salvation whether Jesus Christ, Jahshua, Jehoshua, or God, Yah, Yahweh, etc.. with good conscience, asking for help, honoring His name, not taking it in vain, will be honored by said deity. What does the Bible say? What does the Bible say? This should be our question whenever confused by a teaching, false teaching, confusing situation, etc..

When the TT say that "slander" is speaking against them, what does the dictionary say? http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/slander
Generally, false and malicious accusations. So are true criticisms slander? If false judgments are dished out, should we not have a right to respond? In the TTs intelligence network, where they constantly look for backup on power-driven judgments and manipulation of situations, what defense do people have? Information. Thanks for the site!

[nabashalam]

I am glad your here. Now that it is free again I hope it turns back into the lively board it used to be...

it's like or ownlittle "Open Forum" tee hee...

[fatherofaking]

Hello,

I was wondering if anyone had any new information on the Bill Hinchliffe matter, where he was involved in an accident on May 21, 2008? Or if anyone who claimed on this thread previously to have information would be willing to talk to me about where that information came from? That was my daughter he killed and for the record his blood alcohol level was .23 and he was sentenced to only 8 years in prison. What really bothers me and her mother (my ex-wife) is that no one from the twelve tribes has ever called or visited us to apologize or try to give us some information on why he was driving drunk (.23 BAC) at 11:15 am in Cleveland, Tennessee when he was supposed to be on a job in Chattanooga, Tennessee - over 30 miles away from where the accident occurred.

If anyone has any information that they would like to share with us on Bill Hinchliffe please, please message me via this forum. It would have been the responsibility of the elders to make a point to visit us and try to comfort us and apologize for his actions yet we've never heard from anyone. We have also gotten the run-around from the company he worked for in Savannah, Georgia which was called Commonwealth Construction of Georgia. There has still been no contact nor any resolution for the family for Hinchliffe's actions. There has been no settlement of any kind, any information to the contrary is false and a lie.

I have information that Bill Hinchliffe was a known drunk within the Tribe and had a alcohol problem. We heard at one time he had to have a chauffeur to take him to work and pick him up because his drinking problem was so severe. Any information will be helpful and greatly appreciated.

At the time of my daughters death I was taking chemo for lymph node cancer. She was running my business as well as sharing responsibilities with my wife taking me back and forth for my chemo treatments, working a second shift job and raising her son. She left the office at around 10:45 am that day to go to her second job, she was a beautician. Needless to say I had to attend the funeral so sick from cancer and wondering how I was going to continue treatments and keep the company going which employed 5 people without her. I got through it by the grace of God.

She graduated beautician school in 2007 and had established a large clientele and which was still growing at the time of the accident. She left behind a three year old son (my only grandchild) who still to this day asks when mommy is coming home. If you have ever lost a child then you know how we feel, and if you haven't well then I just pray to God that no one else ever has to lose a child. There are no words to explain the feeling, even over a year later it hasn't got any easier and I am sure it never will. All her mother and I want is for Amber's son to be taken care of financially for the rest of his life. His dead-beat dad left the state right after he was born and has had no contact with him and wants to give up rights to keep from paying child support. A few months after the accident the company (Commonwealth of Savannah Georgia) offered us a very small amount and said that is all the insurance the company had which I assume it was the auto insurance they were talking about. It was insulting, and since then we've had no further attempts from them to situate things.

After doing some research and asking questions about the 12 Tribes I found out that they are very secretive and do anything to keep from paying money for anything other than things that benefit Eugene Spriggs and his luxurious lifestyle. From what I have found he has a lot of assets all over the world but claims to have no money. I own a small company myself and I have to carry 2 million dollars insurance for such reasons as liability - without this I can't operate at all. And I will tell you this, if one of my employees was involved in an auto accident and was drunk or drugged up and claimed the life of anyone he would be immediately terminated and I would hope my entire 2 million dollar insurance policy would go directly to the family. The money doesn't make your heart feel better nor does it bring back the person killed but it helps pay any bills or helps the children, if there are any, get through school and college without having to struggle.

We want our grandson to be taken care of by the people responsible for taking his mother away from him. By Eugene Spriggs and whoever else was directly involved in Bill Hinchliffe being in Cleveland, Tennessee rather than Chattanooga where he had pulled permits and was doing work. He was supposed to be working at a daycare where the last two employees supposedly forgot to put a relief valve in a water line, instead they were sent somewhere else to work and Bill Hinchliffe was sent here to fix their problem which they could have done in a couple of hours. Because of this ridiculous decision our daughter is no longer with us and left behind a beautiful 3 year old son who will have to depend on my ex-wife and myself to raise him and provide for him until he is grown and can make it on his own. Hopefully we can afford to send him to college so he won't have to struggle the rest of his life with no mom or dad to turn to.

Thank you for taking time to read this and if you have any information, hopefully you will it find in your heart to come forth and help us get the information we need to prove Bill had a problem with alcohol and the company knew it but turned their heads the other way just to keep Bill working to make money for the company. The ones who supposedly knew Bill and assigned his work gave depositions to my attorney and said Bill did not drink alcohol and had no previous problem with alcohol but we have heard otherwise. I heard one of the big things that was taught was not to lie, yet I feel that is all we have gotten is lies from the ones that have already testified. Please, if you have any information on Bill Hinchliffe we need to know so Eugene (Bucky) Spriggs and the Twelve Tribes can be held responsible for his employee's actions - for their actions, by putting him on the road knowing their "Brother" had this problem. From what we hear Mr. Spriggs lives a lavish lifestyle and owns assets all over the world but has learned how to hide them in situations like this. Thanks...


The Late Amber Brown's Dad

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