the rapture true or false

[chad14]

yes the rapture is true

[joe]

Absolutely False

[Col. Bo Cowshut]

Absolutely False

Church of Christ?

[joe]

Church of Christ?

Me? No.
If you read Matt.24,which we all are aquainted with.This is where most of the rapture theory is based on.The part where it says "the days shall be shortened",anyway.
But as you keep reading what all takes place during this tribulation,it is Hell on Earth.But it is not until the very,very,VERY,last verse,After all these horrible things have taken place,He THEN comes and gathers his Elect.

Bless ya Col.

[Col. Bo Cowshut]

I strongly suggest anyone reading this carefully examine the Bible. There are at least five major translations/theories concerning the end times and at fifteen minor ones. The theory this poster is passing off is part of Alexander Campbell's vision in 1825. It does not quite hold up under pressure.

Five major possibilities:
1. Pre -tribulational rapture . . . that is the rapture is next in the events leading to the end of time.

2. Post-trib rapture . . . the rapture will take place at the end of times.

3. Mid-trib . . . the rapture will take place in the middle of the tribulation.

4. No rapture, the Bible is simply wrong.

5. Omni-rapture . . . the idea that you will be raptured to heaven upon death.

The fifteen minor theories are various combinations of the five major ideas. All have some biblical support. Only one has the full support of the Bible. Do your research on the subject before making the same mistake others have. If someone tells you that any one of the above theories/translations can not be found in the Bible is simply trying to cover his @@@. Examine each idea of the main five, lay scripture verses side by side, then decide which is right. Don't take anyone word for it period.

[joe]

I will go with number 4.
And the Bible is correct on this.

[stage director]

Mat 24:21, 29-31
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
29 ¶ Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Simple English:

Mat 24:21-22, 29-31
21 For that will be a time of greater horror than anything the world has ever seen or will ever see again.
22 In fact, unless that time of calamity is shortened, the entire human race will be destroyed. But it will be shortened for the sake of God's chosen ones.
29 "Immediately after those horrible days end, the sun will be darkened, the moon will not give light, the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of heaven will be shaken.
30 And then at last, the sign of the coming of the Son of Man will appear in the heavens, and there will be deep mourning among all the nations of the earth. And they will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he will send forth his angels with the sound of a mighty trumpet blast, and they will gather together his chosen ones from the farthest ends of the earth and heaven.

[joe]

Mat 24:21, 29-31
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
29 ¶ Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Simple English:

Mat 24:21-22, 29-31
21 For that will be a time of greater horror than anything the world has ever seen or will ever see again.
22 In fact, unless that time of calamity is shortened, the entire human race will be destroyed. But it will be shortened for the sake of God's chosen ones.
29 "Immediately after those horrible days end, the sun will be darkened, the moon will not give light, the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of heaven will be shaken.
30 And then at last, the sign of the coming of the Son of Man will appear in the heavens, and there will be deep mourning among all the nations of the earth. And they will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he will send forth his angels with the sound of a mighty trumpet blast, and they will gather together his chosen ones from the farthest ends of the earth and heaven.

Thanks,couldn't state it any better.So where then does the rapture theory originate?You proved it is false.Do you know where they might get it from?

[stage director]

Well, some attribute the belief to a Margaret McDonald who lived in the mid 1800s, but I think the real origin is the word "rapiemur" from the Latin (Vulgate) translation of "caught up" ...

1 Thess. 4:16–17
16-17 The dead in Christ will rise first; then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord. (LV)

Catholics, however, do not call it a rapture or believe it happens prior to the 2nd coming.

[joe]

Well, some attribute the belief to a Margaret McDonald who lived in the mid 1800s, but I think the real origin is the word "rapiemur" from the Latin (Vulgate) translation of "caught up" ...

1 Thess. 4:16–17
16-17 The dead in Christ will rise first; then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord. (LV)

Catholics, however, do not call it a rapture or believe it happens prior to the 2nd coming.

Still though it doesn't say anything about Tribulation.Just that Christ will return. No mystery there.

[joe]

I strongly suggest anyone reading this carefully examine the Bible. There are at least five major translations/theories concerning the end times and at fifteen minor ones. The theory this poster is passing off is part of Alexander Campbell's vision in 1825. It does not quite hold up under pressure.

Five major possibilities:
1. Pre -tribulational rapture . . . that is the rapture is next in the events leading to the end of time.

2. Post-trib rapture . . . the rapture will take place at the end of times.

3. Mid-trib . . . the rapture will take place in the middle of the tribulation.

4. No rapture, the Bible is simply wrong.

5. Omni-rapture . . . the idea that you will be raptured to heaven upon death.

The fifteen minor theories are various combinations of the five major ideas. All have some biblical support. Only one has the full support of the Bible. Do your research on the subject before making the same mistake others have. If someone tells you that any one of the above theories/translations can not be found in the Bible is simply trying to cover his @@@. Examine each idea of the main five, lay scripture verses side by side, then decide which is right. Don't take anyone word for it period.

Mathew 24 lays it out perfect.We will have to go through the tribulation should we live to see it.
What verses are you laying side by side?
Where did you come up with 15 or 20 theories?I want to read that book for sure.
And what is EOD btw?
I do have E.D.

[Col. Bo Cowshut]

Like I said, there are five possibilities. Check scripture careful . . .lay verse side by side and then decide.

[chad14]

there is a rapture and it will be before the trib

[joe]

there is a rapture and it will be before the trib

You're in for a great disappointment.

[Col. Bo Cowshut]

You're in for a great disappointment.

One of you is in for a great something . . . disappointment may not be the exact word for it.

[chad14]

no joe/sgng/smyrna you are the one that is wrong

[discerner]

Mat 24:15 WHEN YE THEREDORE SHALL SEE THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (WHOSO READETH LET HIM UNDERSTAND)
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 FOR THEN SHALL BE GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Ye will see the antichrist, if you understand, and then will there be great tribulation for 42 months.
Be prepared to stick this one out!


Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. LET HIM THAT HATH UNDERSTANDING count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Why would the Lord want you to know the identity of the beast if you believe that there is a pretrib rapture? Those that are decieved into taking the mark never had understanding!
Pretrib rapture WAS NEVER taught by Christ or his apostles.

[chad14]

i beleive in the pretrib. the rapture will take place before the trib. revlation says that i will keep you from the hour that will comeon all the arth to try them. the hour that will be when the trib is
that is what we are kept from