Why I think SC doctrine is racist/anti-semite

[jeff_franklin]

I know what I saw and it was the racist Arnold Murray on a tv channel that does broadcast the B.E.T. programming also. At the bottom right of the screen below Arnold Murray was the B.E.T. symbol. Now if it was not part of the B.E.T. programming which it should not be then fine. Split hairs if you want but that is what I saw. Point is Arnold Murray is a deceiver and pretends he is Christian to get into our living rooms via television but what he teaches is racism and antisemitism. "Whitey is superior to all!" Black people are a hell of a lot smarter than Arnold Murray. Better farmers too! All the many black people I know and have as close friends know that they as well as everyone else on earth are descended from Adam and Eve.

Oneway knows what I obviously meant and saw that my words were being twisted. Thanks oneway. And don't minimize your intelligence. You are wiser than most here.

As for sgng denigration of me,

"delusional, narcissistic and plain ol whack job"

smyrna has been banned for flaming others much less than that. sgng's fervency defending Murray is only matched by smyrna's.

Anyone who creates another factnet member/user name account of someone they think is the real name of a factnet member who is against Murray's teachings to intimidate them by invading their privacy is not anyone who should be throwing rocks.

"allegedly racist preacher"

There is no "allegedly" about it. Arnold Murray IS a racist and if you had your eyes open then you would know it too.

[chad14]

mr franklin pay no attentin to sgn hes back and forth

[Sammael]

Oneway, I was not saying that you were out to get Smyrna banned. I just was making an observation of what happens when either one of get banned. But regardless, I actually read Franklin's posts out of curiousity and am now paying the price for it. My brain hurts so bad after it and I don't know where to begin on his rediculous rant. Oh oops, I forgot most on here are calling it his never ending passion. LMFAO

Franklin I can give you one good reason maybe why you should be banned, even though me personally I don't agree with that policy. How about constantly spamming the message boards with no truths and logical fallacies? Your in luck frankie boy. I am too enthralled with the new Nightwish album to really care to answer your post fully. Oddly enough, the album is about a boy who refuses to grow up. Why does that sound so familiar? LOL

[sgng123]

Samm, how DARE you oppose Franklin? That is 1) Anti-Christian, 2) Anti-American, 3) Clearly makes you a Scientologist, 4) Against Christmas, 5) a despiser of small children and children's games and 6) EVERYONE/WE/US thinks you're super mean.

I am stunned that you feel that way about him... His posts are super long, his logic is super duper high level intelligent and he has a lot of followers (at least one) and he has an online forum with 80 gajillion posts and that makes him an EXPERT. Please understand your special place in the online hierarchy.

I thank god for Franklin cuz before he came along, I had a lot of people fooled about who I was including myself, and now through his help and his intervention I can now see that I am STAUNCH supporter/defender/employee/stooge of Kenneth Copeland, Arnold Murray, Scientology and the woman who hosted the TV show Romper Room. I have a special feeling that I have even MORE affiliations than these and hopefully he can sniff them out and let "EVERYONE" know!

Franklin I am not embarrassed to say that I have placed you under a pedestal in my mind.... ON a pedestal, I mean.

[dodge]

Hi Sammael. I understand that there’s going to be a movie based on the latest Nightwish album, Imaginaerum; about an elderly composer who suffers dementia and has regressed into childhood. He doesn’t remember anything about his adult life, all he has left is the imagination of a ten year old boy. Sounds very interesting.

[Sammael]

samm, how dare you oppose franklin? That is 1) anti-christian, 2) anti-american, 3) clearly makes you a scientologist, 4) against christmas, 5) a despiser of small children and children's games and 6) everyone/we/us thinks you're super mean.

I am stunned that you feel that way about him... His posts are super long, his logic is super duper high level intelligent and he has a lot of followers (at least one) and he has an online forum with 80 gajillion posts and that makes him an expert. Please understand your special place in the online hierarchy.

I thank god for franklin cuz before he came along, i had a lot of people fooled about who i was including myself, and now through his help and his intervention i can now see that i am staunch supporter/defender/employee/stooge of kenneth copeland, arnold murray, scientology and the woman who hosted the tv show romper room. I have a special feeling that i have even more affiliations than these and hopefully he can sniff them out and let "everyone" know!

Franklin i am not embarrassed to say that i have placed you under a pedestal in my mind.... On a pedestal, i mean.

lol I couldn't have been any more sarcastic myself.

[Sammael]

Hi Sammael. I understand that there’s going to be a movie based on the latest Nightwish album, Imaginaerum; about an elderly composer who suffers dementia and has regressed into childhood. He doesn’t remember anything about his adult life, all he has left is the imagination of a ten year old boy. Sounds very interesting.

Yeah, the movie is a bit different from the album theme. But none the less as the big Nightwish fan I am, I am highly looking forward to the movie. Toumas worked his butt off on themaking of this album and it is the best one yet. But unfortunately no death metal here, just amazing symphonic metal. Here is an awesome example of it.

[shadowcat]

I see not much has changed here. Franklin (and others) still making the claims that Murray is a racist even though he has all races attending his yearly passovers and fall fellowship. Now claiming that he is on BET music channel and blacks are in the dark about his true teachings, which is totally ridiculous because of the fact that Murray doesn't hold anything back on his television program concerning blacks or any other race for that matter, and again has blacks and all races attending his yearly fall fellowship and passover meetings.

Weird. That's all I have to say, just plain weird.

Dodge, the Imaginarium album is absolutely amazing as sam stated. The album being different than the movie, Toumas wrote it based on his inner child. Literally. The description is on their website. I hope one of these days when we visit Disney we will run into him, as well as Alexi Laiho who often accompanies him. Disney is Toumas' favorite vacation spot! lol

Well back to my year and a day studies. I have officially denounced mainstream Christianity and have taken my own private and personal path and approach to my spirituality. That being the Christian Mysticism of old, which included herbalism, meditations, folk art, crafts, and various other things that most Christians claim to be witchcraft.

Having always believed in the essoteric magic and mysticism, that early Christianity definitely was, as well as belief in the power of God and my lord and savior Jesus Christ, and the very feminine aspect of the comforter, the holy spirit, (the goddess so to speak) I have made a most excellent decision I think. I have definitely come to a much deeper understanding of why the pagan holidays were incorporated into Christianity. It's been a very very long time coming for me. I have experienced too much in my lifetime and most recently in the past few years that establishes what I have always believed.

Sooooo hmmm what would this make me by church definition? A Christian Wiccan? An eclectic pagan wiccan? A Christian Mystic? Or all 3?

Or maybe just a plain old witch eh? ;-)

[Sammael]

I would remove the old part and replace it with the word hot. LOL

[shadowcat]

More on Nightwish's new album:

"A recent Imaginarium movie explanation from Nightwish reads: "If you were to witness an unprecedented magic trick that could not be explained rationally, would you want to know how it is done?

A child experiences something new and unique each day. Something that is often impossible for the child to put into words without the guidance or explanation of an adult. Often the explanation has disappointed us. Sometimes it’s better not to know the truth.

If you had the chance to return to your childhood - just for a split second - when witnessing a magic trick, would you forfeit that chance and seek for a rational explanation?"


Here is a great interview with Toumas and Marco, it gives a glimpse of Toumas' talent as a composer and artist with some piano work.

Some interesting facts: Nightwish is in my top 5 list of all time favorite bands. In 2003 we got a tabby maincoone kitten and we named her Nightwish after the band. Later in 2006 they replaced their lead female vocalist Tarja with Anette Olzon, oddly she has a cat that looks exactly like our Nightwish. She also has the same birthdate as my youngest daughter and ALSO she looks exactly like my 16 year old daughter's best friend, just older. So awesome that I got to meet her and the guys back in 2008!! They were such nice down to earth folks! \m/

Enjoy the video! :-)

[shadowcat]

I would remove the old part and replace it with the word hot. LOL

awe, thanks love. It was time I came out of the broom closet I guess. lol

He is so good to me.

[shadowcat]

Edit: I just noticed I spelled Tuomas incorrectly.

[dodge]

Thanks for turning me on to Nighwish. I like the sound of Storytime, and the lyrics. Very creative, complex layers, emotive.

Interesting, the way you described the “feminine aspect of the comforter, the holy spirit,” and that it could be considered a “goddess so to speak.” I'm sure you'll get a lot of flack from the "Christians" in the peanut gallery.

[Sammael]

Thanks for turning me on to Nighwish. I like the sound of Storytime, and the lyrics. Very creative, complex layers, emotive.

Interesting, the way you described the “feminine aspect of the comforter, the holy spirit,” and that it could be considered a “goddess so to speak.” I'm sure you'll get a lot of flack from the "Christians" in the peanut gallery.

Your welcome, I have been listening to it all day today and I can't get tired of it. Their song Slow,Love,Slow was very interesting not just because of the lyrics but the style of the music. It is old school blues. When I am meaning old school, I mean it sounds like something from depression era United States to WW2 era. I am not sure of what you think of opera, but everything before Dark Passion Play is with another singer and is more opera based singing. I prefer Anette to the old singer personally.

[sgng123]

I'll have to check Slow, Love, Slow... I assumed (incorrectly perhaps?) that Nightwish would be mostly metal...

[jeff_franklin]

Does Arnold or Dennis Murray preach in their inclusive Passover services in Gravette or on TV that the black, oriental and most of the caucasian sub races are not descended from Adam and Eve but, according to Murray and Christain Identity mythology, from some nameless, soulless, inconsequential creatures not worthy of mention in the Bible?

No.

If the Murrays did people of all races as you claim attend would be rightfully insulted and would not attend Shepherds Chapel or watch the tv program because it would be banned from the airways.

Does Arnold or Dennis Murray preach in their inclusive Passover services in Gravette or on TV that, according to Murray and Christain Identity mythology, 95% of those who attend synagogues, Ashkenazim, Sephardic, Khazar Jews are not really Jews but are actually half demon descendants of Satan and Eve?

No.

If the Murray's did, people of all races as you claim attend would be rightfully insulted and would not attend Shepherds Chapel or watch the tv program because it would be banned from the airways.

Your insults of me does no good whatsoever. Only reflects poorly on yourselves.

I count at least 6 current posters here that have clearly stated that Arnold Murray's teachings are antisemitic and racist.

[easeltine]

Instead of the good that Samaritan's Purse has done in helping poor people, the Atheist's solution is like Ebenezer Scrooge:

"If they would rather die then let them do so and decrease the surplus population."

Atheistic Communism has proven that statement true. Eugenics, abortions, and forced abortions in China in the Third Trimester, these abuses toward human life goes on and on. The original ideas of Planned Parenthood was to reduce the population of the "unwanted." Who was it Margaret Sanger, I think, that founded Planned Parenthood, a Eugenics Freak?

Atheists don't care about poor people. That is what makes George Soros rich!

Those comments about Franklin Graham and Samaritan's Purse needed to be countered! Samaritan's Purse has supplied aid to people that were displaced in Japan's earthquake just a year ago. This organization has given a lot of aid to poor people.

I guess the comments given would sum up an Atheistic Existentialist's position, as I understand it?

[sgng123]

good post easeltine... we've done the shoebox thing as a family, not every christmas, but certainly every other or so... it's a great outreach.

i'm sorry i need to interject something here, and get it out... and then you can he read all of his rhetoric and deluded meanderings. this guy franklin is posting at another website that he knows who i've stated that i am in real life, that he has all sorts of emails of mine that he has read and that he knows all about me and that what i stated is lies (which is a little odd, which one is it?... you have my personal information/emails or who I say I am is a lie... which would of course make all of the emails lies).

i have shared these things in PRIVATE emails with SEVERAL individuals, obviously in privacy... and somehow he has gotten a hold of them? And if he got them from the person that I think he says he got them from, I'm actually in limited or regular commumication with this individual OUTSIDE of Factnet and another site like it, exchanged more than several hundred emails to each other, and social network together...(along with several others that I've "met" here).

Just a warning, this is getting VERY creepy. I'm outa here. Please be very careful... and read between the lines of what he says in response to this. All the stuff I've heard from Cybermom, Faithhopelove, grace2u, pianoman and a couple of others here over the years appears to have been true. He's likely being "snowed" and isn't bright enough to see through it, but has also been (by the sounds of what he has stated) has been pretty eagerly collecting info on me through one (or several) mutual friends or acquaintances.

You've been cautioned. And I should have known better... I'm going to chalk it all up to an indiscretion on these people's parts from several years ago... and just look past but please note that he himself is STATING that he has read my private emails (of course, claiming this person was scared and I stalked them).

CREEPY.

I really need to stay off these sites, there are some serious creeps out there...

[dodge]

Hi Easeltine -- That’s one of the most ridiculous statements I’ve heard, that “atheists don’t care about poor people,” and especially “and that’s what makes George Soros rich.”

What you don’t know is that Soros donated $35 million to the state of New York to help low-income children. He stepped in because the state didn’t have the funds. Now, because of Soros, 850,000 low-income families are going to get money to help with the cost of back-to-school supplies and clothing.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=111786652

Soros also donated $100 millions to Human Rights Watch, an international non-governmental organization that conducts research and advocacy of human rights.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/07/business/07gift.html

George Soros topped a list of most-generous donors in America in 2010, giving an estimated $332 million to charity that support democracy and human rights in more than 70 countries.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41431550...r-giving-rich/

You should amend your original statement with “Republicans don’t care about poor people.” You really don’t know what you’re talking about, and continue to be nothing more than a right-wing Christian propagandist. You might as well work for Fox News.

[sgng123]

Here is what he just wrote to me...

Franklin's words...

"You wrote me in the beginning giving me the name you tell other people is you. Your "friend" sent me links to the rest. Stuff you shared with them."

And I said...

"You collected my private info from a friend of mine???? Private stuff I shared with them???
Wow...
Why would you do that to me?
I can't beleive that you collected private info about myself. I know several people who know your personal info. I've never asked them for anything about you. And if you were told that, YOU WERE LIED TO.
I would never sue another Christian, in fact it says in Corinthians "How DARE you?" but I would certainly be up for defending myself against having my private info, from PRIVATE emails shared.
PS For the record, YOU posted your real name at a different site, FHL or Cybermom (can't remember which, it's been a while) sent it out to SEVERAL people, not just me. I posted a Starbuck's ad that you used the FIRST name only that I provided and your friend confirmed that is was correct (I wasn't even asking actually, just poking at you) by going bonkers.
Wow... I'm just in shock that you have seen my private communications ... I've written to several people here and that makes me really sad. Especially since people can alter email "forwards" and also hold back certain emails... You can paint ANYONE, any way you want.
I'll say two things in closing Franklin.
As hard as I am on you (and Stage will confirm this, I think), I always thought you really adhered to all of YOUR own rules about PM's, emails, private correspondances... You, by your own admission, don't. I've suspected that all along but never really believed it (especially cuz you've made SUCH a stink about PRIVACY over the years) but now I know better.
I've always sort of thought you were above the obsessive behavior that I've seen from Smyrna over the years (who I do communicate with, and THAT's NO secret).. but that's not true. I can only assume that you've been forwarded links to my family's ministry website, my Facebook profile, pics of my kids and beautiful wife. Seriously, I am literally ready to vomit.
STAGE AND DAVE, I want off of this website permanently. BAN ME PERMANENTLY. I DEMAND IT. Thank you."

Josh you're a good "egg"... very fair here and even-handed. I respect your efforts at being impartial and have stated this to you on several occasions. I am utterly and completely creeped out that this guy has been viewing my personal info for several years, unbeknownst to me. Seriously, I feel so violated right now I want to literally puke.

Please permanently log me out of or ban me from Factnet.

Thank you sir.