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[dodge]

Turtle -- You just called yourself a “cult survivor.” What cult were you in?

[turtle]

Dodge I rather say it this way and no I won't detract what I am about I still can not talk about it but the man been to court twice. I was never a member of a group that tried to make me a member.

[dodge]

Turtle -- How can you be a “cult survivor” when you’ve never been a member of a group that, as you said, tried to make you a member? Then you go on about “the man” who’s “been to court twice,” and that you “can’t talk about it.” Two words come to mind when reading the things you post here…gibberish and twaddle.

[turtle]

Dodge simple you can't be a member of something if you not in agreement with them can you, but if they allow you to speak or preach and you do then you are what a guest in their building correct. However you can speak if they allow and if you speak and it not in accordance to what they teach but the insist you teach and you do it not illegal correct. However a group that fail to tell you and what they are and assumed you knew makes it lunancy of its own. And if they teach suicide then it a freedom of faith, but what it is an terrorist act against humanity. If a group preach against life then it really not a cult but occult so what it is, is a terrorist occult that acts like cult.

[dodge]

What in hell are you talking about, Turtle?

[turtle]

Dodge such language. I am surprised at you.

[easeltine]

Dodge,

Let me remind you that the reason I brought up these topics in the first place was Sam's interest, and desire, in "Dark Magic." This interest was also defended by his wife Shadowcat. "Dark Magic," is just another name for Black Magic.

Black Magic:

For other uses, see Black magic (disambiguation).
"Dark magic" redirects here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_magic

Dodge, the fact is that there are people that still practice Black Magic. I am not talking about the Wiccan religion, (probably some of your lesbian friends), that worship the Mother Goddess and practice "white magic." When a Rosicrucianist looks at me and say, "I am a pure white witch," he is stating to me that he has chosen not to practice black magic of casting spells on people.

Both Sam and Shadowcat made it very clear to me that they did not practice Black Magic, were Anti-Christian, but believed in Black Magic.

[dodge]

Easeltine, nobody is “practicing Black Magic,” because there is no such thing. Some people say they embrace certain teachings, read Aleister Crowley or study old grimoires that may include dressing in ceremonial costumes, burning candles, drawing signs and symbols, or reciting “incantations” or “spells;” but none of that is “black magic.” It’s either a phony affectational pose, or if they really believe that they’re summoning supernatural forces it’s mental illness. “Believing in Black Magic” means about as much as “believing in” vampires, zombies, extraterrestrials, ghosts, Sasquatch, angels, demons, or Christ and Satan…none of which exist objectively. They’re all imaginary and are only found within the minds of those who “believe in them” and nowhere else. Wake up to reality.

[turtle]

Dodge, what about dogs being poisoned and four black cats being laid around a vehicle.

[dodge]

Turtle -- what dogs were poisoned, and what black cats were “laid around a vehicle?” Where, when? What’s your source? What does any of that have to do with “black magic?” What in hell are you talking about?

[turtle]

Dodge when certain things happen such has those it usually goes unreported. Proof would skeltons prove type of death, perhaps. Dodge you ever get a warning. I did. One straight from the pit of hell. And God said stand.

[dodge]

So what are you saying, Turtle? Someone sent you a “warning” in the form of dead animals? Who? Why?

[turtle]

Dodge I dont have all the answers. This was over seven years ago.

[easeltine]

Dodge,

A religious Schizophrenic will tell you that the voices in their heads are evil spirit or demon, and Islamic one will tell you that it is either a Jinn or an Evil Spirit. Hinduism, the same ides. They will tell you that the voices are not imaginary, and they know that the voices are not imaginary. There are some experts in these matters that state that the drugs will stop the voices, but that in order to get the evil spirits out of the person the drugs need to be stopped, (The movie, "The Excorcism of Emily Rose," talks about this from the scientific perspective). There is supernatural powers.

I think that your problem has to do with the consequences for you if what we say regarding God, Christ, Satan etc., is the Truth, and Dodge, it is the Truth.

[easeltine]

Dodge,

There is more to it then the Rocky and Bullwinkle Show, with Bullwinkle having a magicians hat on, and saying to Rocky regarding the commercial, "Eally Beany, Chili Beany, the spirits are about to speak." "Are they friendly spirits?" "Just listen."

Sorry, kind of just popped into my mind...LOL.

[turtle]

Easeltine there is a kid in a hospital well he is in his fifties that could be delivered, if someone would listen to him. I not saying he would not have fits, but he had trouble twenty years ago and never was the same again. I not saying he does not got problems, but I think some might leave if the right person got a hold of that doctors treating him to see if anything jives so to speak with things that been discussed on these boards. It might seem weird idea, but you know there always truth in a crazy person to a point, however what they speak is usually a strange riddle of sorts.

[dodge]

No, Easeltine, there are no such things as “supernatural powers.” The “forces” that exist in this universe in which we find ourselves came about through the evolution of natural processes that can be explained using the scientific method. There may be some things that we don’t yet understand or probably never will; but that doesn’t make them “supernatural.” Amazingly, there are still some irrational people who actually believe that some forces of nature like hurricanes, tornados, and earthquakes are punishments from “god,” and that people can be possessed by "demons."

“The Exorcism of Emily Rose” is only a movie roughly based on the story of Anneliese Michel, an epilectic mentally-ill woman who religious fanatics believed was “possessed by demons” in Germany almost forty years ago; because she was unable to walk past a crucifix and refused to drink water from a “holy spring.” Her family talked with several Catholic priests who refused to perform an exorcism, and told them that Anneliese should continue her medical treatment.

Eventually they found a vicar named Ernst Alt who agreed to arrange an exorcism. Her medical treatment was stopped, and they put Anneliese’s fate in the hands of “exorcists.” After sixty-seven exorcism sessions over a period of ten months between 1975 and 1976, Anneliese died of malnutrition and dehydration from almost a year of semi-starvation while the rites of exorcism were performed. She was 23 years old, weighed 68 pounds, and she was killed by these biblically indoctrinated fools.

The truth of the matter came out in court, where it was found that she was epileptic, hallucinated images of demons on the faces of people around her, heard voices telling her she was damned, and suffered from suicidal depression. She crawled under tables and barked like a dog, ate spiders and coal, and bit the head off of a dead bird. She was very ill…not “possessed by demons;” and because her medical treatment was stopped and she was put in the hands of religious charlatans she died.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...090200559.html

Two years after her death a German court found her parents and two priests involved guilty of negligent manslaughter.

There are no “supernatural powers,” Easeltine…only people who project their own biblically-based insanity onto others.

[chad14]

dodge . there is a spiritual part out there demons . they have been cast out by many preachers

[turtle]

A demon can not cast out a demon chad.

Now dodge, whether you believe in evil spirits or not they can be got rid of. It called correction, healing by God's mighty hand, but the thing is people have to want to change. To be delivered and then desire what you had back is dangerous. Say you been delivered from drugs. That is a real demon, you can not go back into drugs. However if you do it usually ten times worse, maybe even leading to death and fits of rage.

[turtle]

To you all,

Here is a new career for me.

http://www.turtle30cshell.com/Mainpa...rds/card1.html