Hanoi Jane

[easeltine]

My objection is also based on the Declaration of Independence:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

A viable life is entitled to Constitutional Rights and Protection!

Of course, the Constitution itself believes in God/Divine Providence, so they are on my side!

[dodge]

Easeltine, your objections to legal abortion has nothing to do with the constitution; but with your personal opinion based on religious belief. You wrote that the Constitution of the United States “believes in God/Divine Providence.” The only problem is that God is not mentioned in the Constitution or any of the amendments. The only place where religion is mentioned is in Article 6, at the end of the third clause:

"No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

Perhaps you should read it before expressing any more uninformed opinions.

[easeltine]

I do know that the Constitution does not contain the words, "God," or "Divine Providence."

The people that did write the Constitution did believe in Divine Providence and God.

You did read that I quoted the Declaration of Independence? You do know what the word, "CREATOR," means?

Oh brother!

[dodge]

Sure, Easeltine, I know what the writers of the Declaration of Independence meant by “creator,” and it wasn’t the Judeo-Christian god as you seem to think. They were talking about the laws of Nature and of Nature’s God, because they were Enlightened Deists. There is no mention of Jesus, Christianity, or the Bible in the Declaration of Independence.

Their “creator” was the watchmaker God of Deism, who made everything and then left it to evolve on its own. It wasn’t the Jehovah-God of the Old Testament or the Father of Jesus in the New Testament that Thomas Jefferson was writing about. As a matter of fact, Jefferson rejected the biblical God, the God that intervened in the lives of humans, performed miracles, wrote the Bible, and had a son. Jefferson didn’t believe in divine revelation, the virgin birth, or the Trinity.

Jefferson believed that Jesus was nothing other than an ordinary man, and didn’t believe that Moses received the Ten Commandments from God. Jefferson’s God of Nature didn’t answer prayers. Instead, he insisted that Human Reason was supreme; and his belief in a non-intervening God of Nature was the product of his reasoning and his evaluation of the evidence available during the late 18th and early 19th century…just as his “suspicion” that blacks were inherently mentally inferior to whites was based on his reason and his limited experience as a slave owner.

Did you know that Thomas Jefferson had contempt for the writers of the Gospels, who he considered to be “ignorant, unlettered men?” He regarded these writers as impostors, false witnesses, and corrupters of the true teachings of Jesus. He wrote that the Gospels contained “ignorance, absurdity, untruth, charlatanism, and imposture." He called the words of Jesus “diamonds,” but the words of his disciples “dung.” Jefferson’s view was that the apostle Paul was a villain, who had corrupted the religion of Jesus into a religion about Jesus, which had produced the monstrosities of dogma, superstition, and priest craft…the essence of Christian orthodoxy.

Jefferson made it clear that he rejected the immaculate conception and deification of Jesus; and had particular disdain for the concept of the Trinity, characterizing it as “incomprehensible, unintelligible and insane,” a “mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves priests of Jesus.”

Jefferson’s admired the teachings of Jesus, but he didn’t believe it to be anything more than an “unconnected system of ethics.”

So, Easeltine, since Thomas Jefferson was the principal author of the Declaration of Independence, and now knowing his views about Jesus and the Bible, you are now informed about what he was referring to as the “Creator.” I hope this helps you to understand that the United States was not founded upon Christian or Biblical principles, and is not interently a Christian country.

[easeltine]

...and there lies the difference between President John Adams and President Jefferson, both men dying on the same day, the 50th Anniversary of the 4th of July.

Will,

I may have differing views than you, but at least you are stating truth from your perspective.
The problem with the present United States is that people don't care anything about political matters at all.
You checked about the "Christian Manifesto, and Dr. Francis Shaeffer's background and were able to respond to me with the problem of Theocracy if you take his point of view too far. Another person with the same Christian worldview as myself responded that they had looked at my article and that is was about the "Communist Manifesto."
This reminds me of these questions that people ask present day University students about politics and they give answers that shows that they really are clueless about politics. They give the answers in a serious manner.
One I heard recently, "Who is the Vice President of the United States?"

Many of them answered, "I think that it is Sarah Palin," only one person that they interviewed said, "Let me see...that is a really hard one...I think that it is Biden, that's right Biden."

These people only look at the outward appearance of the person when they vote for President!
They do not have any concept of where the person stands on issues.

[dodge]

Hi Easeltine -- I try never to post anything without researching, and making sure I know what I’m talking about. Too many people offer nothing but uninformed opinions based on their prejudice and animosity towards other, without checking to see if what they’re saying is actually true.

I enjoy research, and for every subject I come across I do a lot of reading. Not “flash Google searches;” but in-depth information from which I compose my posts. I use Google Scholar and SearchEdu.com, which filters out all the garbage that the internet is filled with; and focus on facts and opinions from reputable sources.

http://scholar.google.com/schhp?hl=en&as_sdt=0,22

http://www.searchedu.com/

This thread, “Hanoi Jane,” I think has run its course. We’re going way off into things that have nothing to do with that subject. May I suggest that if you would like to continue discussing God as it relates to the Founding Fathers and the Declaration of Independence, you start a thread with that focus; or another one where you attempt to prove that the President of the United States is an anti-Christian socialist Muslim who wasn’t born in the United States and therefore isn’t qualified to be in the Office. At least this is what a lot of wingnuts like the Tea Party have been trying to convince others of.

If you do, I’ll see you over there.

[easeltine]

* The President has never demonstrated that he is Pro-Christian, that is for sure.
* I think the President is a Secular Humanistic, and a Socialist.
* I don't think the President is a Muslim.
* The President may have actually been born in Kenya, but The Supreme Court has made a decision that the Live Birth Certificate from Hawaii is a good enough qualifier by not taking the case. If they don't want to pursue it than the issue doesn't matter.

[Col. Bo Cowshut]

I try never to post anything without researching, and making sure I know what I’m talking about. Too many people offer nothing but uninformed opinions based on their prejudice and animosity towards other, without checking to see if what they’re saying is actually true.

another one where you attempt to prove that the President of the United States is an anti-Christian socialist Muslim who wasn’t born in the United States and therefore isn’t qualified to be in the Office. At least this is what a lot of wingnuts like the Tea Party have been trying to convince others of.

Had you bothered to research . . . fact, not ficton . . . you would have known it was the leftwing would made those claims . . . and steadfastly stand by them. The only research you do is watching manipulated media.

[dodge]

Hi Cowshut. What are you talking about? You wrote that if I had done any research I would have known “it was the leftwing who made those claims…and steadfastly stand by them.” What “claims” are you referring to?

You also wrote that the only research I do “is watching manipulated media.” You don’t know how wrong you are. I don’t watch network or cable news. You certainly assume a lot, and your posts drip with right-wing propaganda.

Tell me, what extreme conservative group to you belong to? I would guess your favorite people are Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, and all of the talking heads at Fox News where the real manipulated media exists.

[Col. Bo Cowshut]

I find it rather interesting that all of your posts are filled with venom, yet factnet is incapable of banning you. Smymra(SP?) must be right.

.” What “claims” are you referring to?

Your lack of reading skills belies your research claims.

another one where you attempt to prove that the President of the United States is an anti-Christian socialist Muslim who wasn’t born in the United States and therefore isn’t qualified to be in the Office. At least this is what a lot of wingnuts like the Tea Party have been trying to convince others of.

A highly skilled researcher, such as yourself, should at least be able to make sense of your own post.

[dodge]

Venom, Cowshut? Your every post is the very definition.

[easeltine]

Just to point out these facts again:

* Sandra Fluke identified herself as belonging to a Pro-Abortion Reproductive Rights group.
* Sandra Fluke stated that it costs $3,000 per year for contraception, when Senator Boxer stated it costs $600 per year for contraception. The more correct figure is Senator Boxer, and you can get if for less.
* There is no Constitutional Right of Contraception, the American Taxpayer should not have to pay for a person's Contraception.

Rumor has it that she lied about her age, that she is really 30, that this is so she could have sex like a slut, but these above facts about this woman are more than enough for me not to believe anything that comes out of her mouth.

[dodge]

Shameful, Easeltine…attacking Sandra Fluke, calling here a prostitute and a liar! What she said in her testimony before congress was that “without insurance coverage, contraception, as you know, can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school,” not “per year” as you erroneously said. Her point was that female grad students like her, on public interest scholarships, struggle financially; and that birth control prescriptions should be covered through insurance.

Instead of insulting this woman by calling her a slut and a liar, perhaps you should know a little about her. After graduating from Cornell University in 2003 she spent five years working for Sanctuary for Families, a New York-based nonprofit aiding victims of domestic violence, where she launched the agency’s pilot Program Evaluation Initiative. She co-founded the New York Statewide Coalition for Fair Access to Family Court, which successfully advocated for legislation granting access to civil orders of protection for unmarried victims of domestic violence.

Fluke was also a member of the Manhattan Borough President’s Taskforce on Domestic Violence and numerous other New York City and New York State coalitions that successfully advocated for policy improvements impacting victims of domestic violence.

http://www.law.georgetown.edu/pils/currentpils.htm

http://www.law.georgetown.edu/news/w...y/9.17.09.html

http://www.law.georgetown.edu/journa...torsstaff.html

Calling this remarkable, well-educated, and accomplished woman a slut and a liar is beneath contempt, Easeltine. You can only dream about achieving what this courageous and exceptional woman has done already in her young life.

[Col. Bo Cowshut]

Calling this remarkable, well-educated, and accomplished woman a slut and a liar is beneath contempt, Easeltine. You can only dream about achieving what this courageous and exceptional woman has done already in her young life.

Calling Sarah Palin's Down Syndrome child a "retard" is acceptable? Do you even know the meaning of "contempt?"

[easeltine]

"However, as CNSNews.com has confirmed, birth control pills are available for as little as $9 per month for people without health insurance at the Target pharmacy just three miles from the Georgetown Law school campus where Fluke attends. Target offers Tri-Sprintec, the generic form of the birth-control pill Ortho Tri-Cyclen"

Above is the truth! If you are poor you can even get them for free! We have.

The only correction is that Sandra Flukes did state $3,000 during law school. I had not read the actual transcript.

I did not call her a prostitute!

What I am calling her is a woman feminist, Pro-Abort, (Minority Leader Pelosi's bud), that is exagerating the statement towards the Pro-Abort position. I did not call her a liar!

The Administration promised an exemption for religious institutions. The person who is a Liar is the President of the United States, lying to get Congressmen and Senators to pass his plan. The worthless dopes took the President at his verbal word.

"* There is no Constitutional Right of Contraception, the American Taxpayer should not have to pay for a person's Contraception."

P.S. - The $9.00 seems like a very low price, but $15.00 per month, or $200.00 per year is obtainable online, even a more expensive item is $20.00 per month, or $360.00 per year - http://www.birthcontrol.com/index.cf...cat_id/481.htm

Why is the President messing with the minds of the Bishops during the election year for such a trivial amount? I don't understand his logic!

[dodge]

Hi Easeltine. Yes, you did call her a prostitute. You said “Rumor has it that she lied about her age, that she is really 30, that this is so she could have sex like a slut.”

Definition of slut: “A woman prostitute.” It’s also a pejorative applied to women as an insult or offensive term of disparagement. Your characterization of her is offensive as well as misogynistic.

Spreading a rumor that she lied about her age makes you a liar. What’s your source that she was dishonest about her age? To my knowledge, and correct me if I’m wrong, she never mentioned her age in the interview.

Here’s a video of her testimony. At what point does she mention her age?



As usual, you bring nothing here but uninformed opinions.

[easeltine]

The rumor came from a talk show radio I listened to on the way to work.
I said it is a rumor not that the rumor was the truth.

"...but these above facts about this woman are more than enough for me not to believe anything that comes out of her mouth."

I thought you said you had no opinion on abortion? Well, for someone with no opinion you certainly are expressing a lot of opinion on the subject.
If you say you don't have an opinion and you do, then what does that make you? A lying Pro Obama-abort.

tick toc tick toc How many will it be 5-4 or 6-3?

[Col. Bo Cowshut]

The rumor came from a talk show radio I listened to on the way to work.
I said it is a rumor not that the rumor was the truth.

"...but these above facts about this woman are more than enough for me not to believe anything that comes out of her mouth."

I thought you said you had no opinion on abortion? Well, for someone with no opinion you certainly are expressing a lot of opinion on the subject.
If you say you don't have an opinion and you do, then what does that make you? A lying Pro Obama-abort.

tick toc tick toc How many will it be 5-4 or 6-3?

He doesn't have an opinion. Dodge simply parrots manipulated media.

[dodge]

You’re wrong Cowshut. I don’t parrot anything. What I do is engage in careful research from multiple academic sources (not network TV or major newspapers) so that I know what I’m talking about. On the other hand, in my opinion based on your posting history here, you are here to engage in anti liberal right-wing propaganda. I think that’s pretty obvious.