Cult Awareness and Education

[jeff_franklin]

I think what is obvious is when a religious belief is so so cultic, so shallow, totally lacking a foundation in facts, it's followers have to go door to door, forum to forum, thread to thread to bash other people's beliefs. Only way they can validate their beliefs is to trash other beliefs. Example militant, evangelistic, intolerant Atheists.

[chad14]

jf 1 i dont go from door to do , 2. i dont belong to a cult 3. im not for athesist , they exisist sure but i leave them alone and dont listen to their drivel

[jeff_franklin]

And that is the point. Christianity is not and never was a Cult because though we are many different sects and denominations we do not view each other as being lost and going to hell. Catholics, Protestants and Orthodox recognize each others' salvation through Christ.

Who does not? Cults! Who goes door to door? The mind control cults of Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses. Their ludicrous beliefs are so shallow, so intolerant of others, so lacking in factual foundations that they only can validate their bogus religions by trying to make the rest of the world Mormon or Jehovah Witness so they'll have no one left to tell them how ridiculous and dangerous their beliefs are.

Seems the same with, not all Atheists, but with the militant, arrogant, intolerant Atheists, led by the super arrogant, pseudo scientist Guru Richard Dawkins. They go from one forum on the internet to the next invading irrelevant discussions to spew atheist propaganda about how ignorant believers in God are. Not just Christians but all believers in a Supreme being. Never telling us how great their belief in nothingness is or what Atheism does for them but just continually trashing other people's beliefs. Now that to me is very Cultic!

[easeltine]

"And that is the point. Christianity is not and never was a Cult because though we are many different sects and denominations we do not view each other as being lost and going to hell. Catholics, Protestants and Orthodox recognize each others' salvation through Christ."

"While there is some doctrinal disagreement within the three branches of Christendom - Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox and Protestant - there is a general agreement amoung them as the essentials of the faith. Whatever disagreement the church may have among its branches, it is insignificant compared to the heretical non-Christian beliefs of the cults." - Handbook of Today's Religions, Josh McDowell and Don Stewart, 1983

Within that book the Secular Religion of Atheism is discussed. The fact is that many more people have died from the religion of Atheism since 1916 then any other religion killing other people. The religion of Atheism is totally non-tolerant of any other viewpoint. The mission of the religion of Atheism, especially within Communism, is to KILL any person of faith. Those facts are undeniable.

[turtle]

Unfortnately there are groups that dress up modern day christianity and are really not. The word cult refers to a church group if defined. The word occult is different. The factnet is suppose to be group that fights against coerce tactics. What is coerce tactics. And how do you fight them within the church world for in general churches do not have problems, it is when bad leaders that act like sheep that cause the problem or begin groups disguised at good leaders. How do you fight these groups. I for one would like to know how a message board fights against evil. How people can fight the evil when freedom of speech is allowed in the since of preaching lies and destruction.

[dodge]

Hi Franklin. The flaw in your thinking is supposing that those who don’t believe in imaginary “supernatural” beings don’t believe in anything; and confusing personal opinion with “atheist propaganda,” as well as calling those who express their views about religion “militant, arrogant, and intolerant.” Your rhetoric is extremely hostile, and close to hysterical. I can visualize smoke coming from your ears as you jump up and down in a self-righteous frenzy.

In your aggressive attack on all those who don’t believe what you do, you label Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses “mind control cults,” and as being “bogus religions” with “ridiculous and dangerous beliefs.” Who’s intolerant here, Franklin?

It is true, that as a rational person, I see those who actually believe in angels, demons, heaven and hell, virgin births, the resurrection of the dead, miracles, and some sort of “Lake of Fire” where all those who don’t believe what you do will be tossed into to be destroyed forever, as irrational and deluded; but that’s not arrogance or intolerance, it’s my opinion. Don’t I have that right?

[jeff_franklin]

I don't believe you are a rational person dodge. Neither do I believe Richard Dawkins is a rational person. I've known you online for too many years to come to that conclusion. When anti religious agenda zeal overrides common courtesy and respect for fellow human beings then the rationality is gone. Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses are CULTS! Children have been raped and killed in those Cults. Is the admin of Factnet going to come forward and deny that? I'm sitting here calmly debunking your propaganda and yet you seem to be on a frenzied personal crusade inspired by your Saint Richard to rid the world of all belief in God.

[dodge]

Hi Franklin. You wrote that you’re “debunking” what you say is my “propaganda.” Tell me, what is it that I’ve said that you’ve “debunked?” My point of view is that invisible supernatural entities such as demons, angels, Satan and Christ are imaginary and only have an existence in the minds of those who believe in them.

If they’re not invisible (impossible to be seen), imaginary (unreal), and only exist in your mind (delusion), where are they? To believe in such things is not logical or reasonable…it is irrational. How have you “debunked” that?

[jeff_franklin]

If you and I go to a fine restaurant, both served delicious meals I would not deny the existence of the cook because I did not see them. But you would. That is the irrationality of atheism.

Because our "spiritual" eyes are not developed in this material world it is the internal spiritual senses that allows God to communicate to us, through the Holy Spirit and for us to communicate to God.

Just because you deny the existence of God you have turned a deaf spiritual ear to God. Yet God is still communicating with you on the inner. Your denial of it does not make it non existent. Only thing non existent is your reception of God's love for you.

Like I told you 7 years ago Atheists do not own the words "logical, reasonable, rational". In fact militant atheists are the most illogical, unreasonable, irrational people on this planet.

History itself debunks all atheist propaganda.

Just think, if Josef Stalin had remained a Christian and Mao Zedong remained a Buddhist, 100 million people would not have been murdered or starved to death on their orders.

I repeat to you Jim Jones last words on record to his suicidal followers in Guyana right before he shot himself.... "There is no God".

Religious cults are bad. Atheist Cults are the worst of all!

[dodge]

The problem with that analogy, Franklin, is that I can walk into the kitchen and see the chef; and bring her out so that you and I can compliment her on the meal. She isn’t invisible and imaginary like your Christ/God/angels, demons, and Satan, which only exists in your head.

You mentioned something called an “internal spiritual sense” that allows us to communicate with “god” through something you call the “Holy Spirit.” The fact that you actually believe you “communicate” with an invisible Supreme Being through a supernatural entity you call the “Holy Ghost” is about the most irrational thing I’ve ever heard anyone say. It’s delusional.

What does “god” communicate to you? Do you hear voices in your head?

All your comparisons of non-belief in a “god” to Josef Stalin and Mao Zedong and what they did is nothing but empty rhetoric. At least you gave up mentioning Hitler and Nazis, that’s an improvement; but it’s the same logical fallacy when you use reductio ad Stalinum, the cousin of reductio ad Hitlerum, favorite debate tactics of the Right. You’re essentially saying that atheism is dangerous because Stalin and Mao were atheists, which is an association fallacy.

That would be like me saying that belief in God was responsible for the one to three million people who died in the Crusades, and the three to twelve million who died in the Thirty Years’ War; so therefore believing in God leads to hostility, violence, and death. Mmmm, that actually sounds true.

[turtle]

Dodge find the chef that made the apple, the orange, the banana, lettuce that tomatoe, the carrot, fresh milk from a cow, and an egg. Each were made by the hand of God. God made the seed that grew the fruit tree and the vegetable, though science would like to try and claim someone of these are scientifically developed, yet without these things man would of starved before hybrid trees and vegetables we grow today existed and some of its offspring can not reproduce or do so productively. The egg and milk all came from within an animal to where we could eat them for consumption. Now who made the chicken and who made the cow. Science can not produce a living thing without another living thing. Robots are not edible only able to do what one puts into their computer chip. So consider animals are not robots. They breath and think to know when they are hungry. Even the dna sheep named dolly had to be born from the womb of a sheep.

[jeff_franklin]

Cult Awareness websites, if they are not highlighting China, Iran, Vietnam, North Korea, Cuba, Laos... as being the most dangerous Cults, classifying them as Cults, then they are falling down in the responsibility they assume by calling themselves Cult Awareness websites.

Some of them just do not see the big picture where others let their political agendas blind them to the truth that should be as obvious as a thousand pound gorilla smashing up the living room of the world.

Yes, Islamo Fascism is a major threat to the world. The sooner it is destroyed, people in the middle east liberated from it's tyranny, oppression: the better.

But even if it is, when it is, tyranny and oppression in the world will not stop because the source, financial and Cult propaganda will still be there.

China and the other Communist Cult nations, supported by many of your financial means, will still be there to create other satellite Cults aiming to undermine and destroy the freedom of humanity.

There is no good reason why humanity has to continue to allow these Cults, from the largest slave nation, China, to the smallest cult / church, to the smallest household dominated by an abusive man or woman... to EXIST!

It is easy to eradicate all forms of enslaving, mind and body control Cults from the planet. Just reconnect our souls to our minds, that dictate our actions as well as inactions, and "DO THE RIGHT THING"!

China with it's billion plus Cult victims is the largest Cult. Iran, Vietnam, North Korea, Cuba, Laos follow in order of having fewer Cult victims than China. But still all of their inhabitants are Cult slaves.

Free people throughout the world need to self examine what if anything they are doing as individuals to sustain or fight those Cults.

Either with financial support, buying their products manufactured with their Cult slave labor, or with their keyboard or mouth repeating those Cults' propaganda: that is sustaining, aiding those Cults.

If you are doing either then shame on you! You are part of the problem and not the solution.

It always amazes me how people can rightly condemn the slavery of black people in America 150 years ago and yet today continue to financially support modern day slavery by buying, for instance, products made with slave labor from China.

Compare the rights of the enslaved blacks of America 150 years ago and the current lack of personal freedom of the people of Communist China. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE! SLAVERY IS SLAVERY!

Shows a total disconnect of human souls going on within individuals minds with their continual support of China, for instance, with their dollars and their repetition of Communist Chinese propaganda.

So don't even think about whining about the lack of employment opportunities in your locale, nation when on the other hand you are buying products made in slave Cult Nations by slaves! Duh! Can't you see the cause and effect????

Unemployment and lack of improved employment opportunities is always self inflicted! It is always caused by humans who surrender control of their lives over to their individual governments and by their individual consumer purchasing decisions.

So boycott China and other Cult nations' products now!

Keep cultic mind control out of our own lives.

Fanaticism in all things leads to minds falling quickly into false doctrines. And what is the culminative result of festering false, speculative, human doctrines? Cults!

But we sure can make this world a better, safer, saner world for us, our children, grandchildren... to live in if we can just do our part, small or large, to stop the spread of Cultic mind control in the world.

By defeating the Cults that do exist now we also are stopping the Cults of the future because the greed lust of Cult Leaders is never satisfied with what they currently control. They are after control of you and your household, family as well by any means of deception they can conjure up to get it.


All of us need to stop being like ostriches with our heads stuck in holes blind to the dangers around us.

So do you want improvements in your lives??? Then get on board and start fighting Cults, large or small, now.

[spacestate]

"Chad14 and Turtle -- As Christians you two belong to the world’s largest cult" Ain't that the truth!

[turtle]

spacestate you the one labeling me, I do not label myself other then a Christian by faith in God(Father, Son and Holy Spirit) I consider myself independent following Christ. So as far as orgs go some christian orgs are cultic in a destructive since majority are not. It that labeling of bad groups that give good groups or people bad names that are more destructive. Usually bad groups are infiltrated by evil person or other religious sect trying to break a person from Christianity. Faith in Christ has nothing to do with org, it has to do with spirituality and relationship with God. So be careful of labels. Not all are the same.