John Beverebs false teachings

[nina_s (nina_s)]

Interested in hearing from anyone who knew John Bevere when he was an associate pastor under Benny Hinn.

As far as I know, Bevere has a B.A. in mechanical engineering from Purdue, and has no seminary training whatsoever. In addition, he twists Scriptures to fit what he wants to say---heavy on submission to authority, and heavy on tongues.

In 2003 he paid himself $203,000 salary, and I'm not sure how much his wife's and his oldest son's salaries were.

Thanks!

Nina

[lov_faith_hope (lov_faith_hope)]

He is very Spirit led and has a lot of integrity.
He turned down lucrative secular book deals after being chastened and testifies about it.
The Lord blessed him financially afterwards.

His wife was abusive to him physically and verbally and she had a transformation and testifies too.
He did the children's ministry at Benny Hinn's former church too I think. He did a lot of service oriented things like picking up dry cleaning and driving people back and forth the airport and meanial things for years. He did them cheerfully and faithfully and then God promoted him!

Why does it bother you that he has a normal income for someone who is a professional? He has written some excellent books that are correct and spiritually effective. He has a very good ministry against Jezebel spirituality and exposes how it manifests or operates in and against the Body of Christ.

What is wrong with tongues?

What seminary did Matthew, Peter, Luke and John go to? Billy Graham? Mother Teresa? Marilyn Hickey? Joyce Meyer? T.D. Jakes? Oral Roberts?
Jentzen Franklin?

[cs1 (cs1)]

I have seen him personally and have two of his books. The Man preaches on the fear of the Lord as reverance to God the father and we the church must have that! as far as tongues goes he did not say the word one time in his message to us in Monterey ca, or did he make any great demannds in his books to speak in tongues.

Nina maybe you should write him a letter and ask john Bevere all your concerns about his money and his wife before you make statements that you don't know anything about. So nina how much money do you make a year? and how is your marriage if you are Married? Oh yea, you have the right not to answer me I won't be offened... But j. Bevere doesn't have to answer you ether.... will you be offened?

[infoman (infoman)]

$203,000 is highly OVERPAYMENT in ratio to the size of his ministry. It is the kind of money that a CEO makes running a $30 million dollar company or a huge international non profit organization like United Way.

Bevere doesn't come close to 10% of that amount.

The perks from pastoring ie. taxes, and house listed as a parsonage plus expense accounts make him running his small organization church OVERPAID.

But then who is going to stop him since he has a rubber stamp board of yes men?

He preaches heavy authority of the pastor and husband yet doesn't practice it himself.

That is called a hypocrite.

People giving to these fools and supporting these bad stewards of money, with crazy so called revelations that vere from the Bible are just as at fault for supporting bad ground.

[nina_s (nina_s)]

I have talked to John Bevere Ministries and they were quite evasive about Bevere's resume, and couldn't even tell me where he got his Biblical training.

As far as my personal information, IF I had a public ministry---I can guarantee that my financial records would be open to the public for close scrutiny. This is part of the witness to the world: to be above reproach; to be transparent with both resume and finances. I would not allow myself to be introduced at churches and speaking engagements as "reverend" when I don't hold that degree.

Bevere's book UNDERCOVER states that we are like horses that must be broken; basically that one should submit to a pastor EVEN IF HE IS WRONG; that we need permission from the pastor to leave that church for another, and so on.

We are neither horses nor under such heavy authority that we cannot make choices for ourselves! God has given us great brains and free wills---with which we can study the Scriptures for ourselves, confront error the way the Bereans did, and generally uphold God's Word as we share with others.

God did not intend for us to submit to controling pastors who are in error, but to make choices for ourselves! Confront error with love and truth---there is no mediator between the Father and us, save Jesus Christ!

BTW I am a public school teacher with a master's degree, certified to teach in four separate disciplines at the K-12 level, and I have worked hard to make $57,000 a year. In addition, I am paying off my student loans faithfully.

No, the Apostles hadn't gone to seminary, though I suspect that they (like all Jewish men of the time) had learned their Torah well. The Apostle Paul was a learned man, speaking many foreign tongues as well as being a citizen of Rome.

Are we not supposed to "study to show thyself approved?!" In today's world that probably means college and seminary, studying Biblical languages, as well as Old and New Testament themes, evangelism and church management.

Having a bachelor's degree in mechanical engineering, picking up dry cleaning and running people to the airport does not qualify one for public ministry. Where is the substantial Biblical study one should have behind a ministry?

Nina

[nina_s (nina_s)]

Marrying a tv producer does not qualify one for a ministry, nor does it qualify that wife to be a Biblical authority. John and Lisa Bevere have set up quite a money-making enterprise for themselves. Since when should we make "big bucks" off of Jesus?!

Bevere, Hinn, Joyce Meyer, Oral Roberts and many others are in it for the money, and have their family members on staff at exorbitant salaries, as well as giving them fancy houses, possessions, elegant cars, expensive clothing and so on. This is not the example ofpoverty and communal Christian society as evidenced by the first century Christians (our example), and smacks of usury, don't you think?

Nina

[trsrinheaven (trsrinheaven)]

nina_s

john Bevere and his wife lisa are friends with one of worse pastor impersonators robb thompson of family harvest church where they preach regularly.

Look at the Family Harvest thread, and you will see the same mode of bad stewardship operations expensive jewlery, excessive salaries, over five boob jobs for pastors wives, daughters and staff, $5,000 suits, collection of $30,000 Rolex's, $100k- $500k cars, $3 Million houses airplanes etc..

These cult pastors push heavy CONTROL submission to authority. They preach Gag orders, no questions, never disclosing financial information etc..
The worse is preaching CULT fear SHEPHERDING gestapo type tactics. They state you are not under Gods protection if you leave. They have to preach this FEAR doctrine in order to CONTROL the people and their money. FEAR not Faith is their motivator.
They preach beyond the Bible that you are CURSED if you don't give to them. The BIBLE STATES otherwise. Gal 3:13 says Jesus set us "free from the Curse."

Giving is a Godly principle but only to GOOD STEWARDS. Planting money (seed) in bad ground will yield no harvest for others or yourself, only the con-trol pastor.

Godly pastors of succesful ministries having reasonable salaries and open financial statements is fine. The Bible is clear about not being a minister for "Filthy Lucre" and "financial gain".
These other abusive people are not ministers or pastors but impersonators.

Many of them with FAKE doctorates from internet diploma mills. True ministry office of the teacher and pastor is one who walks in love and like a good shepherd, cares for and hangs out with the sheep. Not these aloof authority fear spouters.

"You shall know them by their fruit"... God doesn't yield this kind of bad fruit.

Read the Family harvest thread and you will find all the same things along with good information to combat these SPIRITUAL ABUSES. Don't throw away God or church because of these few abusers.
There are GOOD PASTORS who make 50-100k plus per year. Their churches are thriving, open to dialogue, wonderful loving spiritually FREE places, with good spirtual food and Romans 8:14 teaching people to be "LED BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD," and not some man. People and families are being saved, set free, maturing in the word.

[cs1 (cs1)]

"Bevere's book UNDERCOVER states that we are like horses that must be broken; basically that one should submit to a pastor EVEN IF HE IS WRONG; that we need permission from the pastor to leave that church for another, and so on."

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Nina do you agree with everything your pastor says?
Is your pastor perfect?
Does your pastor make mistakes?
Or do you when you don't agree with Him, attack the ministry by telling people in the church that YOUR PASTOR IS WRONG? How do you handle when you have a disagreement with your church leaders?

from the books that I have read by John Bevere( and I agree with your statement above) and from what I have seen and listened of the two times He was speaking,it was about immature Christians who would attack there pastor because they were not: used in their gifts, or honored because of their talents, Not given the time to preach as much as they think they should be. So when they leave the church they attack, lie and try to take away the young in the Lord. That is wrong!!! Should every pastor open there pulpit to anyone in the church member ship?... NO! are there abuses by church leaders Yes there are. How are we to handle it??? According to the word of God?

[trsrinheaven (trsrinheaven)]

cs1

Did you genuflect and kiss his ring in his presence? That's the whole problem. People are following men not GOD.

What terible abuse bevere spues.
Bevere has been approached as has thompson and others countless times by one then two and then by many. Each time these arrogant pompous abusers do not take Godly instruction.
They do not have anyone or any board that they are committed to for correction.

They make people spiritually disabled. Instead all Christians are to seek God and be led by His Spirit, and word that are one. Romans 8:14

He preaches heavy submission to pastors as does robb thompson...."that one should submit to a pastor EVEN IF HE IS WRONG; that we need permission from the pastor to leave that church for another.

No one needs permission of a church pastor or any other person to leave a church, or to go along with a pastor when they are wrong. That is just stupidity and ignorance gone to seed.

Run from these cult control freaks. This is going back under the rule of mankind. Following men above God, and the Spirit of God within us.

We are only to seek Gods will.
Mt 6:33

We are to have no other Gods above the God. Jesus is the (only) way, the truth the life and the light of the world. Following some person puts you back in the religious temple following the pharisees, the rabbi, or the Catholic church following catechisms, the Pope, the Cardinal and the priest.(all imperfect men).

How stupid people are to subject their will over to some man or woman to tell them when to do anything. Pastors put themselves on pedestals, and knowingly allow others to put them on pedestals to follow them. This is blatant sin.

All ministry gifts are to be helping others find relationship and direction from God, in His word, by His Spirit, not themselves.
These guys are imposters.Not called and not annointed.

[cs1 (cs1)]

"cs1

Did you genuflect and kiss his ring in his presence? That's the whole problem. People are following men not GOD."
"How stupid people are to subject their will over to some man or woman to tell them when to do anything. Pastors put themselves on pedestals, and knowingly allow others to put them on pedestals to follow them. This is blatant sin."
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no I did not kiss his ring LOL nor will i kiss yours. I agree that no one should submit to a pastor EVEN IF HE IS WRONG;or that we need permission from the pastor to leave that church for another. but would agree that people in the church today have a problem with respect of Pastors who are doing a good work? are all catholic priest sexual petafiles? are all pentacostals wrong inthier doctrine?

I here what your saying but from what I have seen and herd of J. bevere the submission to the leadership is out of respect to the office of minstry they hold. again you say that "Bevere has been approached as has thompson and others countless times by one then two and then by many. Each time these arrogant pompous abusers do not take Godly instruction. They do not have anyone or any board that they are committed to for correction." Well if that is truth, He is wrong but, to prove that is something else. you saying it does not make it true. So when you get the chance to prove what you say is TRUE please do so, maybe Jesus will Kiss your ring

[trsrinheaven (trsrinheaven)]

cs1

Go and read the family harvest thread posts.
Thompson is bevere's friend in crime.(Lisa is speaking there coming up soon).

You will see the tactics these fools use.
You don't serve under these fools.
You don't see the underhanded evil plotting they do to undermine, pressure, discredit and slander anyone who leaves their church, or questions where the MONEY GOES.

They have counseled countless spouses to leave and divorce their betrothed who questions their money use, or wants to leave their church.
They use peer pressure, lies, and deception disguised as 'submission to authority heresy' to try to lead people who have a hard time dividing the word.

These are seductive controlling influences and spirits. I have first hand knowledge of their demonic FEAR tactics.

They tell us we are CURSED not under the Pastors covering if we leave. They say the Pastor has full authority and we giving members of the church have no right to financial statements showing use of the non-profit offering money. While the pastor wears $30,000 - $65,000 watches, drives $100k-$600k cars, lives in $3 mill houses, and brags about his $6,000 Brioni suits from the stage.
How stupid can these fools be and still breathe?

[cs1 (cs1)]

"How stupid people are to subject their will over to some man or woman to tell them when to do anything. Pastors put themselves on pedestals, and knowingly allow others to put them on pedestals to follow them. This is blatant sin."
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So as a person serving their Country in the Navy
and following our leaders that many may believe is against God's word to him that knows to do right and doesn't that is SIN should we just bad mouth our leaders or should everyone just leave the country? and if the answer is yes!!! I ask you why did Daniel respect ole Nebuchadnezzar
Thou, O king, [art] a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory. What God gave him Nebuchadnezzar a kingdom??? well after Counsel has been given to Nebuchadnezzar or j. bevere it is God who will bring order to Daniel 4:32 That they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field, and they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and they shall wet thee with the dew of heaven, and seven times shall pass over thee, till thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.: 33The same hour was the thing fulfilled upon Nebuchadnezzar: and he was driven from men, and did eat grass as oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven, till his hairs were grown like eagles' [feathers], and his nails like birds' [claws]. So after you have told them what thus sayth the Lord it is up to God to bring them down and he will just as he did with so Many before. We must kepp our eyes on the Lord jesus christ. and if you where to leave every church that did something wrong well don't go to church stay home and hide. what are you doing to solve the problem?

[cs1 (cs1)]

the harvest thread???
ok I will read it

[cs1 (cs1)]

the harvest thread???
ok I will read it

[trsrinheaven (trsrinheaven)]

cs1
Complacent people that say nothing are the reasons these people who say much exist and continue to keep spreading evil IN THE FLESH.

For evil to exist is for good men to do nothing.

"The wise man sees the trouble down the road and avoids it. The fool is destroyed by it" Proverbs

You are your brothers keeper.

I'm not bringing bevere down I'm warning others so they have there eyes open to the evil and avoid being brought down by him.

Im not talking about the armed services.
Although even there it is lawful to disobey direct orders that are unreasonable. Uniform Code of Military Justice.

I'm not going to list the dozens of Godly people in the Bibile, both lay people and leaders in the old and new testament that warned others and rebuked others publically.

Look them up in the other thread I mentioned.

There is a long list.

Paul a later follower of Jesus even rebuked Peter an eyewitness close disciple of Jesus.

How can they know about the evil to avoid unless unless someone tell them? To see and do nothing and to not warn them is a greater evil.

[gsrh (gsrh)]

<u>&#34;What seminary did Matthew, Peter, Luke and John go to? Billy Graham? Mother Teresa? Marilyn Hickey? Joyce Meyer? T.D. Jakes? Oral Roberts?
Jentzen Franklin? &#34;

Matthew, Peter, Luke and John didn&#39;t have to go to seminary they had JESUS!!!!! He taught them all that they needed to know. I am hoping that you aren&#39;t even thinking about putting Jakes, Roberts, Hickey, Ranklin and the rest of that crew in the same category as the Apostles. That would be totally outrageous.</u>

This is in response to lov_faith_

&#40;Message edited by gsrh on March 08, 2006&#41;

[cs1 (cs1)]

trsrinheaven &#40;trsrinheaven&#41;
with the above statement I say amen and agree with that above post being yours not gsrh LOL .

[gsrh (gsrh)]

lol....

But I still say that the Apostles didn&#39;t need to go to seminary. They had Jesus as an instructor. No seminary could even come close to the knowledge that was shared with the Apostles.

Graham, Jakes, Hickey, Roberts, etc. are all frauds. People have been trying to correct them for years and they continue on. But hey..work out your own salvation. I know who I serve!!

[gsrh (gsrh)]

Unless you believe that Jesus taught them a bunch of crap and the seminaries are a better source than Jesus????

Hmmmm....

[cs1 (cs1)]

no of course not gsrh but for someone who says Billy Graham is a fraud and etc which = everyone that is like him well I’m sure you received so much more from the Lord Jesus Christ then Billy graham could ever have huh? “I know who I serve!&#34; LOL yea right Minster means: ONE WHO SERVES God and others. who have you WON to the Lord? 1981 I asked the Lord Jesus Christ to come into my heart and I confessed that I’m a sinner and need God the father’s salvation by way of Cross from the Redeeming Blood that was shed over 2000 years ago by grace not of works. 2006 08march my family and I serve the Lord and KNOW that Jesus Christ is the only way, the only truth and the only life. … It was Spartan stadium 1981 san Jose ca, at a Billy Graham crusade ALL GLORY to GOD yes … a fool has said in their heart there is no God. For you to say that Billy graham is a fraud is to say that God did not use him and that is to say to me “ there is no God” you know the answer to that gsrh????