So i think i just might join Part I

[lookatall]

woops, just noticed this was a quote rather than a personal statement.

[lookatall]

Dream truth, a very big challenge, but you sound ready to meet it.

[nabashalam]

yeah DT, Ive been in and out of drugs too...

If you want to help, a good place to start would be to contact Bob Pardon who heads up http://www.meadowhaven.org/ There in Mass. too!
He is one of the kindest and loving men I know. I spent 3 months there after I left the TT. Im sure he could point you in the right direction...

And if you ever need a witness to get on a stand or do an interview, Im always available.

(Message edited by nabashalam on March 29, 2006)

[dream_truth]

Thanks Nabashalam.
I have left the Pardons a message & hope to hear back from them. I met with them several years ago when I was a total complete mess, but didnt follow through with getting help from them primarily for financial reasons, and I was already well on my way down a chemical self-destructive path. There was so much pain I couldnt bear life without something to kill the pain. And religeon just wasnt an option. It was the hell where drugs brought me that forced me to finally get some healing from the spiritual abuse. What is your story?

I would give you my contact info but I'm not sure this message board is a good place to post an email address...how does that work?....DT

[rainy_day_woman]

Faye,

I have a tender place
in my heart for you as well.

However, I have a hard time understanding
how God, or Messiah, could lead you
into the tribes, only to have you renounce him,
and sear your conscience.

How could it be that the same spirit of Messiah
led you into the tribes to renounce himself
as your savior, and called you to make a life long covenant in Yahshua,
only to break it?

You said about your second baptism,
"I trusted my brothers more than what I knew to be true in my own heart.
What do I think RDW? I just think that was wrong."

Was the same true for your first baptism?

[nabashalam]

DT, You can email me at nabashalam@yahoo.com

If you want to see my story, go to http://www.opendiary.com/entrylist.a...orcode=D481089

[faye2]

Reasonable questions RDW.....All I know is that I really meant it with everything in my heart when I went in the waters. I didn't hold back anything.

I think what I've ended up concluding is that God allowed me to go in to teach me some hard lessons about myself. I was overconfident in my spirituality, young, arrogant,zealous... and when I came to know the tribes, I thought I had been given some revelation about the body of messiah that other folks just didn't have, or didn't care to have out here.

Do you think it could be possible that the covenant was broken with me instead of the other way around?

[fatherofaking]

god knows our hearts.

sometimes that is all we have to hang on to.

[faye2]

yep.

[manyaquestion]

Just wondering--
is there any mothers in this group that left and would be willing to help me with some insight here? I lived in the TT community (one anyhow) with my family for almost a year and never really got a good grasp on what was going on...
met yoneq actually lived w/him for 2 weeks... more questions no answers..

[manyaquestion]

Just wondering--
is there any mothers in this group that left and would be willing to help me with some insight here? I lived in the TT community (one anyhow) with my family for almost a year and never really got a good grasp on what was going on...
met yoneq actually lived w/him for 2 weeks... more questions no answers..

[faye2]

I'm a mother that left, manya. : )

[spike]

Dear manyaquestion,
some of us have contact with ex-members that do not post here...so if you have any specifics we could pass it on or ask about it. We would gladly get the info back to you.
How is it going? My friend (a father actually) left with his boys and had to be the primary caregiver out here in the world and I do know his son had some adjustment issues (he was not used to having to control his own behavior-instead of the rod doing the job).
How are your kids faring?
Is there anything we can do to help or support your decision to leave?
Sincerely,
spike

[manyaquestion]

Is it or isn't fact that children are disciplined by other adults than their own parents in the TT? I personally never encountered this issue, but then again I never gave access to my family to anyone outside it. I made sure to keep mine behind closed doors.

This is a strike for us hitting the road. No direct honesty on the issue.. I believe for some reason it was kept from us if it did happen and from what I have been told it does....

[spike]

yes, other members will discipline a child or even remove them from a family if they feel the original parents have not done a good enough job. Also if the community has a teacher, they are expected to discipline the children (with spanking or the rod).
I know this to be true. There is court case going on right now that both the accused (an ex-member) and the tribes have admitted in court that this happens. I have heard it with my own ears and have read the court documents.

[faye2]

It's a fact that other parents sometimes spank the kids, but at this point it generally only happens if the parents give them permission to do so.

It's not the way it used to be, but they've had uh..revelation about it.

No one "raised" my kids for me there, nor tried to. It's best to keep things as factual here as possible, bc if someone is asking questions, and find out that the answers they found here were not true, then the tribes look like they are being unjustly persecuted, even if you just simply have the wrong information.

oh. btw spike. batach's kids are not in the community. Get your facts straight, it really helps. : )

[manyaquestion]

Thanks Spike and Faye2 for your willingness to talk to me... I'm a little shy still... about this whole issue of the TT in our lives and their influences. I had been following the post for awhile now and really just got the nerve to try and connect with others who have had good or bad experiences. I'm nervous of being bashed on here.. Bear with me as I try to get it together and ask more pointed questions. I'm not trying to misrepresent any person or belief...just maybe compare notes?

[manyaquestion]

Thanks Spike ans Faye2 for your willingness to talk to me. I'm still a little shy about this issue of influesnce of the TT in our lives and find it difficult to pint point my questions. I don't want to mis represent anyones beliefs or feelings, please bear with me as I try to get it together and figure out exactly what questions I really need answered. Right now I'm looking more for support...and maybe compare notes?

[dream_truth]

Thank you for your link nabashalam. I read your story and it was really very interesting. So you still live in community? I dont know if I could ever trust a group.

A good friend of mine, single mother, is considering joining tt. This is one of the reasons I was visiting tt not to long ago, with her, to be supportive of her and show her I was not going to be judgemental of anyone without meeting them. She knows my story, but wants to believe that tt is different from coj. I understand why she wants the fellowship for her children to grow up in. And she thinks that because she knows what I have been through, she will know what to look for and be strong enough not be coerced. I am afraid for her. I am very skeptical, however, if there are alternative community situations which would be a healthy place for her to raise her girls, I would be interested to hear about them and investigate. I understand her or anyones desire for a community life. I just have never heard of any that work. Granted, I know I have trust issues there.

Has anyone here found a community that isnt a cult? And how do you know its not a cult, because the ones that are claim they arent, and put up such a good show on the outside.

[nabashalam]

www.rosecreekvillage.com

And trust me, I know the difference between a destructive high control group and one that builds up with love and not control...