New Life Tabernacle New Life Ministries Ariel ben Sherman

[graceme77]

does anyone still use this msg bored? my name is grace, i am thane and debbies daughter and like many of you i still remember being in "the group".

[hisservant]

My best assessment is that warren draws greatly from the doctrine of the watchtower - however, he places himself in the position as the spokesman for God, in place of the watchtower. I think studying how to talk to a jehovah witness would be beneficial to help former followers overcome his damage.

But prayer is our most powerful tool to see something done. To put it all in God's hands.
So I offer to you the following:

John 14:13
And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
John 14:14
If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do [it].
John 15:16
Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and [that] your fruit should remain : that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
John 16:23
And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give [it] you.
John 16:24
Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.
Jhn 16:26
At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:

Now, let's agree on a prayer, with faith of a mustard seed we can move a mountain, and this man is so much less.

Heavenly Father, Creator of all that is, in Jesus name we ask that You will cause this man today to begin to :
1. show his true self, get carried away with his own lies and be so obvious about what he is making up as he goes
2. show his attitude toward everyone, his motives, his goals
3. he would recognize his own sins and repent and restore where he is able
4. that justice will be served

We pray for the followers:
1. open their ears, hearts and minds that they cannot deny the lies and they will be appalled and leave
2. give them a way and a place to go

We pray that Father, that You will send forth angels to protect, to do battle with all power and authority necessary to remove the demonic influences in that house, tapes, notes, cars, and where ever completely and permanently and that You will send Your Holy Spirit to fill up the empty place in the hearts and house that not one evil influence could return to begin it all again.

In Jesus Name, Father, we ask that an end come to the deception of this man known as warren, duke, ariel, david, etc. Please set those who are now following him free.

To God be the Glory for the great things He Has Done and Will Do.

[hisservant]

Power in Prayer. Where two or more agree and ask in Jesus name, God's word says it will be done. Who will agree? Heavenly Father, Creator of Heaven and Earth, In Jesus Name Please let warren begin to reveal his true nature, let his lies, deception, control become blatantlly apparent that the eyes and hearts and minds of those still under his influence and captivity will plainly see him for what he is, a mere man using them, a con artist stealing their lives and livelihoods. Please set them free. Send your angels forth with all power and authority to send the demonic influences far away - never to return. Let your Holy Spirit fill that house, the cars, their lives that Your Truth Plain and Simple Will Shine Forth Clearly. AMEN

[word2thewise]

October 28, 2008




Court upholds neglect case

Published: 9:58 AM, 08/19/2008
Source: News-Herald



The Tennessee Supreme Court has upheld the neglect case against Ariel Ben Sherman, a Loudon County minister accused of contributing to 15-year-old Jessica Crank’s 2002 death from cancer because he did not seek medical treatment for the child. Both Jessica and her mother, Jacqueline Crank were members of Sherman’s Universal Life Church in Lenoir City.

The ruling does not address Sherman’s guilt or innocence in the girl’s death — it merely gives prosecutors the go ahead to move forward with the case against him.

The court issued a ruling Saturday that a Loudon County Criminal Court judge should not have dismissed the in-dictment against Sherman and reinstated the indictment against him. The case was remanded for further proceed-ings.

Prosecutors contended that Sherman’s role as “spiritual father” to the 15-year-old makes him criminally respon-sible for her death. Crank suffered from a rare form of bone cancer, but her mother allegedly refused to get her medical treatment opting to treat her daughter with prayer instead.

The girl’s mother, her brother and other members of Sherman’s church were reportedly living together in Loudon County in 2002 when Jessica developed a huge tumor on her shoulder. Her mother took her to a local clinic that advised her to take the child to the University of Tennessee Medical Center for emergency treatment, officials said. Her mother allegedly did not follow through with that recommendation deciding to treat her daughter with prayer. The state Department of Children’s Services finally intervened, but they were too late to save the girl’s life, accord-ing to officials.

Both Crank and Sherman were charged with neglect. Crank, represented by attorney Gregory P. Isaacs, is report-edly relying on her constitutional right to freedom of religion. She has argued that it was her choice whether or not to rely on faith for a cure. Her case is pending in Loudon County Criminal Court.

Earlier in the case, Loudon County Judge Eugene Eblen threw out the case against Sherman, ruling that Sherman had no legal duty to seek treatment for Jessica, because he was not her parent or legal guardian. The state Court of Criminal Appeals overturned Eblen’s decision and will allow the case against him to move forward. This case could set a precedent for deciding what constitutes a relationship when it comes to being responsible for a child’s welfare.

[ChuckT]

Hi,

There may be some of you still monitoring this thread.

I am surprised that they have not put him under psychiatric care yet.
He is a danger to himself and others - at least he doesn't have as many followers as Jim Jones had.

State high court to hear 'spiritual father' case
By Jamie Satterfield (Contact)
Wednesday, January 30, 2008



The case of an alleged cult leader whose teenage follower died after her mother heeded his advice to turn to prayer over medicine is poised to make legal history in Tennessee.

The state Supreme Court on Tuesday announced it would take up the case of Ariel Sherman and, more importantly, the legal issue it raises: What is the relational benchmark for holding someone accountable for a child's welfare?

Sherman was 15-year-old Jessica Crank's "spiritual father" but not her legal father. Jessica and her mother, Jacqueline Crank, lived with Sherman, as did several other of his Universal Life Church followers. Prior testimony has indicated Crank and Sherman were intimate at some point.

Crank followed Sherman's advice when deciding to shun treatment and rely on prayer to heal her daughter, who died from a rare form of bone cancer.

But did Sherman's relationship - pastor, adviser, lover, alleged cult leader - make him legally responsible for Jessica's care and, therefore, her death? Or, is that duty of care limited to a parent or legal guardian? What about a boyfriend? A counselor? A preacher?

It is that legal line in the sand that the state Supreme Court is readying to draw by its decision to pluck up Sherman's case now rather than wait for it to wind its way up the judicial ladder.

"We are very happy the state Supreme Court is going to once and for all address this matter," Sherman's attorney, Donald A. Bosch, said Tuesday. "We have always believed Ariel Sherman has no criminal responsibility in this matter, and we hope the Supreme Court will agree."

Sherman, who has been identified in national publications as a cult leader, and his followers were living in Loudon County in 2002 when Jessica developed a basketball-sized tumor on her shoulder.

Crank took her daughter to a local clinic, where she was instructed to take the girl to University of Tennessee Medical Center for emergency treatment. She didn't.

Attorney Gregory P. Isaacs contends Crank exercised her constitutional right of religious expression by turning to prayer over medical treatment. Jessica died a few months later. Crank and Sherman were charged with child abuse and neglect.

Isaacs, relying on the principle of religious freedom, and Bosch, arguing Sherman had no legal say-so in Jessica's care, convinced Loudon County Judge Eugene Eblen to toss out the case. However, a state Court of Criminal Appeals decision in July resurrected the charges, ordering the case against both Crank and Sherman argued anew.

Isaacs said Tuesday that Crank is eager to have her case decided in Loudon County, where he expects to once again prevail under the notion of religious freedom.

"We anticipate asking the court to sever Ms. Crank's case (from Sherman's)," Isaacs said, adding he hopes to "expeditiously" seek a hearing to show Crank "was exercising her constitutional right of religious freedom."

Bosch asked the state's highest court to step into the case on behalf of Sherman. Such requests are rarely granted and typically signal either a split among courts on the applicable law or a gray area in need of judicial clarity.

The court is expected to hear arguments in the case in May.

Jamie Satterfield may be reached at 865-342-6308.

[old relic]

I have just finished reading many of the posts and it brought back many memories. I wonder where everyone is now. It has been so long. There were a lot of good people from the 'old days' of Weymouth, Middleboro, Arizona, Texas etc. If anyone is out there - I pray you are well and it would be nice to hear from you, how you are doing, how your family is now since many of us had small children in those days and we are now grandparents! Folks like Clay & Lynne, Jimmy & Eileen, Danny & Carole, Doug & Diane, Art & Sara (Sam), Eddie & Ann, Joe & Alice, Dave & Kathy, Chuck & Terry, Alan & Sarah, Leo & Barbara, John & Susie, Joe & Mercy, Herb & Jackie, Ed & Mary, Dave & Joann, Thane & Debra, Pam, Pauline, Sally, Merry, Moose (Malcom), Eric & Susan, Mike & Sandy, Dale & Stevie, Neece & Alice, Charlie & Brenda, Ray & Regina, Bill & Marge, Russ & Lonnie, Sherry and many more I'm sure I've forgotten to name which I'm sorry - these were the first to come to mind right now. We learned a lot in those years - some good, some not so good. But - you were all family and it would be wonderful to hear that you are doing well. I've heard that some have passed on? Art Kistner according to one post here, Danny L. and Sharon (Sugar) and Ken F.? Not sure of any of that, maybe someone can fill in the blanks. God Bless you all ~ Hope to hear from you soon.
If anyone prefers privacy I will be happy to give you my e-mail address.

[ChuckT]

I have come to accept that much of the "experience" with Warren was hypnotic suggestion.

This has left me with a empty hole that hope had once filled.

I apologize to those I have hurt, especially Terry.

I hope her son has grown up with integrity.

It is interesting to me that I still pray as ariel taught us to.

I would like to ask how you are doing dealing with post cult life - I mean do you have any methods that have worked for you to separate the truth from the ariels lies.

The scriptures are so entwined in what we were taught.

The experiences were so real.

How can someone trust themselves still?

I am ashamed of having believed him.

I am ashamed of the way I treated those I loved after I left.

If forgiveness exists and God is involved in our lives he is not the loving father we were taught he is.

I would never allow my children to be abused.

Why has God - Jesus - allowed us to be abused and deceived?

Pilot's question to Jesus "what is truth" strangely still goes unanswered 2000+ years later.

Chuck T

[arcticdruid]

old Relic - You seem to have a nice list of names there. Many of those people want nothing to do with this forum or any others for that matter nor do they want to remember the past let alone talk about it. It was like pulling teeth with a fireman's jaws of life just getting some of them to acknowledge they were a part of Sherman's group but nothing else would be said by them. A few were willing to talk and they have tried to move on in life each in their own way.

ChuckT - I think we spoke a lot in the past. It's been awhile, hope your doing well. I'd disagree with your thoughts of Sherman using hypnotic suggestion. Is was more like a shinning example of social engineering. He was a very charismatic person and this was attested too by people who both hate him and followed him. He, for what ever reason, used people, manipulated them and took control of their lives. He lied, cheated, stole, abused, corrupted and destroyed. He may even have killed but it seems he is to low profile and too old for the likes of federal investigators to care about. But there was no hypnoses involved just pure manipulation and greed (more for personal power and not monitory). Don't be ashamed of what happened or being involved with Sherman. He is a snake in the grass, a life long professional crook who took advantage of people through their hopes, dreams and religious beliefs which resulted in dozens of families being shattered or damaged for generations. If you want to feel anything fell happy your no longer a part of that mess but don't let the past ruin your present and future.

He is old and dieing, just hope and pray that his apprentices are far less charismatic than he and they wont be able to carry on his "church".

[moose]

it was a fun time though hey remember jimmy/elpuffo
blowing flames whith lighter fluid
and the go carts in texas
how about the time in cALIFORNIA WHEN THE KID STOLE ARE GUITAR AND JAMMED OUT ON IN THEN DROPPED IT WHEN HE SAW JESUS WAS ON IT.
NO HIS STORY WAS ALWAYS THE SAME BACK THEN
IF YOU LEAVE THIS GROUP YOU WILL DIE AND GO TO HELL FOREVER YOU CANNOT MAKE IT IN THE WORLD
wow been like 24 years still kicking
i still don`t know why he called me black moose though
must of been that chess game bet he`s still ****ed

just wondering,
has the a hole .
gone to hell yet ?

[arcticdruid]

Nope, last I heard he was still alive and in SC now with a few followers. The TN case against him was still open in 2009. Most folks don't seem to be around these parts any more though so not much new info. Hope your doing well.

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[ChuckT]

Anyone out there that is looking for someone to follow?
Well, There is still Jesus.
God ordained me through the miracles that led to my physically coming back from the dead and being alive because of Jesus.
I am able to relate to Lazarus who Jesus also raised up from the dead. Jesus is involved in Healing the sick, Feeding the hungry, Giving a cup of water to the thirsty, Visiting those in jail or Nursing Homes and Hospitals. I go as I am told. I pray the words he says to say. Jesus does as he says he will.
Now that I am alive again in Christ I have been seeing Jesus Miracles happening all around and through me.

ChuckT

[Creo]

Well another couple years have gone by and there is no further information. I am assured that Ariel is dead or soon to be dead and won't be abusing anyone anymore.
Chuck T

[Creo]

Huh, no one is following this thread anymore?
Your not haunted by realizing your still following, still teaching, still believing the silly things we were brainwashed with.
What is real? Do you know? no matter what church i go to i'm still on the outside looking in.
Chuck T

[chad14]

people should ot tske children off med when it is not nerve meds if GOD SAYS SO its ok but not untill

[Creo]

April 30, 2012

Crank case to be tried

Published: 8:26 AM, 02/14/2012

Last updated: 8:30 AM, 02/14/2012

Source: News-Herald

The trial of Jacqueline Pearl Crank and her minister, Ariel Ben Sherman, has been set for May 8 in Loudon County Circuit Court.

The two are expected to be tried together, said Assistant District Attorney Frank Harvey, who is prosecuting the case.

The trials for Crank and Sherman have been continued numerous times. Harvey said the continuances have been a matter of getting everything coordinated in court.

In addition to interlocutory appeals that were filed, the prosecutor said, "We have been trying to resolve some issues with proof and witness problems."

Despite the continuances, the prosecution intends to bring the case to court.

"At this point, it is going to court," he said. "We are not going to drop this."

Crank was charged in 2002 with neglect after allegations she failed to take her 15-year-old daughter, Jessica, to a hospital when an area clinic allegedly told the mother its staff suspected the teenageer had cancer.

Sherman was also charged with neglect. Lenoir City Police said Crank and Sherman, who described himself as the girl's spiritual father, knew the girl had a potentially serious condition but failed to seek medical treatment. The girl died later in 2002 from cancer.

Jacqueline and daughter Jessica Crank were members of Sherman's Universal Life Church in Lenoir City. Authorities have said Jessica complained of soreness in her shoulder, and Sherman took her to a chiropractor sometime in February 2002.

At that time, according to authorities, personnel at the chiropractor's office told Sherman they believed the girl could have a serious medical condition and should see a specialist. According to police, Sherman did not follow up on that advice.

In their reports, police officials said they became involved after Jacqueline Crank's visit to the medical clinic. According to their reports, the clinic arranged for the doctor to meet the mother at a Knoxville hospital but learned the girl had not been admitted. They called police, and officials said Jessica had a tumor the size of a basketball on her shoulder when they found her.

Attorneys representing Sherman and Crank earlier said their clients sought to heal the child through prayer when they learned of her illness and said they did not know the seriousness of the girl's illness.

In 2003, then Loudon County General Sessions Judge Bill Russell dismissed the charge against Sherman, ruling the state failed to show minister Sherman had any responsibility for Jessica Crank. But, in 2008 the Tennessee Supreme Court upheld the neglect case against Sherman.

Harvey said the defendants attempted to take the case up on an interlocutory appeal for the court to determine some legal questions involved in the case and the state court declined to do so. An interlocutory appeal is an appeal prior to a trial of a case based on its merits, Harvey said.

In 2009, Loudon County Criminal Court Judge Eugene Eblen declined to dismiss child neglect charges against Jacqueline Crank and Sherman, but he also ruled defense attorneys Gregory P. Isaacs and Donald A. Bosch could file an emergency appeal to the Tennessee Court of Criminal Appeals.

The defense attorneys - Gregory Isaacs, who is defending Crank, and Donald Bosch, who is defending Sherman - were not present for Friday's docket sounding in Loudon County Circuit Court.

[Creo]

April 30, 2012


Crank case to be tried

Published: 8:26 AM, 02/14/2012 Last updated: 8:30 AM, 02/14/2012



Source: News-Herald
...
The trial of Jacqueline Pearl Crank and her minister, Ariel Ben Sherman, has been set for May 8 in Loudon County Circuit Court.

The two are expected to be tried together, said Assistant District Attorney Frank Harvey, who is prosecuting the case.

The trials for Crank and Sherman have been continued numerous times. Harvey said the continuances have been a matter of getting everything coordinated in court.

In addition to interlocutory appeals that were filed, the prosecutor said, "We have been trying to resolve some issues with proof and witness problems."

Despite the continuances, the prosecution intends to bring the case to court.

"At this point, it is going to court," he said. "We are not going to drop this."

Crank was charged in 2002 with neglect after allegations she failed to take her 15-year-old daughter, Jessica, to a hospital when an area clinic allegedly told the mother its staff suspected the teenageer had cancer.

Sherman was also charged with neglect. Lenoir City Police said Crank and Sherman, who described himself as the girl's spiritual father, knew the girl had a potentially serious condition but failed to seek medical treatment. The girl died later in 2002 from cancer.

Jacqueline and daughter Jessica Crank were members of Sherman's Universal Life Church in Lenoir City. Authorities have said Jessica complained of soreness in her shoulder, and Sherman took her to a chiropractor sometime in February 2002.

At that time, according to authorities, personnel at the chiropractor's office told Sherman they believed the girl could have a serious medical condition and should see a specialist. According to police, Sherman did not follow up on that advice.

In their reports, police officials said they became involved after Jacqueline Crank's visit to the medical clinic. According to their reports, the clinic arranged for the doctor to meet the mother at a Knoxville hospital but learned the girl had not been admitted. They called police, and officials said Jessica had a tumor the size of a basketball on her shoulder when they found her.

Attorneys representing Sherman and Crank earlier said their clients sought to heal the child through prayer when they learned of her illness and said they did not know the seriousness of the girl's illness.

In 2003, then Loudon County General Sessions Judge Bill Russell dismissed the charge against Sherman, ruling the state failed to show minister Sherman had any responsibility for Jessica Crank. But, in 2008 the Tennessee Supreme Court upheld the neglect case against Sherman.

Harvey said the defendants attempted to take the case up on an interlocutory appeal for the court to determine some legal questions involved in the case and the state court declined to do so. An interlocutory appeal is an appeal prior to a trial of a case based on its merits, Harvey said.

In 2009, Loudon County Criminal Court Judge Eugene Eblen declined to dismiss child neglect charges against Jacqueline Crank and Sherman, but he also ruled defense attorneys Gregory P. Isaacs and Donald A. Bosch could file an emergency appeal to the Tennessee Court of Criminal Appeals.

The defense attorneys - Gregory Isaacs, who is defending Crank, and Donald Bosch, who is defending Sherman - were not present for Friday's docket sounding in Loudon County Circuit Court.

[Creo]

Mother, 'spiritual father' convicted in faith-healing case but questions remain

Knoxville News Sentinel, Tennessee/May 8, 2012

By Jamie Satterfield

Loudon -- Ten years after a 15-year-old Loudon County girl died from a rare form of bone cancer, two questions that have dogged the case from the start remain unanswered.
When, under Tennessee law, can a parent rely on God — not medicine — to heal a sick child? And, what duty of care does a non-parent owe that sick child?
At a hearing Tuesday in Loudon County Circuit Court, Judge Eugene Eblen ostensibly offered answers by deeming Jacqueline Crank and Ariel Ben Sherman guilty of misdemeanor neglect for the September 2002 death of Jessica Crank. He sentenced them to probation. But he offered no legal analysis and both sides appeared to accept his decision as a mere prelude to the ultimate legal platform in this ongoing debate — the state's appellate courts.
"We once again want to go to the Tennessee Supreme Court to address these constitutional questions," said Jacqueline Crank's attorney, Gregory P. Isaacs. "She feels and my law firm feels no other parent should have to be placed in this situation. A parent has an absolute constitutional right to rely on faith."
"I believe everybody understands this is a case with much bigger legal implications," said Sherman's attorney, Donald A. Bosch.
Even prosecutor Frank Harvey, who technically won Tuesday's hearing, conceded the legal issues raised in the case "need to be decided in the state of Tennessee in a very clear manner."
The case began when Sherman moved his Universal Life Church flock to a six-bedroom house in Loudon County. There, he lived with Crank, her two children, Jessica and Israel, and a half-dozen other parishioners. Sherman held himself out as the "spiritual father" of Crank's children and was reportedly Crank's lover.
When Jessica developed a tumor on her shoulder, Sherman advised Crank to rely on prayer. Although she took Jessica to a local clinic at one point, the mother ultimately decided to rely on faith. Authorities intervened but Jessica died anyway.
Crank and Sherman were charged with felony child neglect, but Bosch and Isaacs successfully argued medical proof showed treatment would not have saved Jessica's life. Harvey then pressed forward with the misdemeanor case, various aspects of which have been appealed with no definitive resolution.
State law allows a parent to choose faith over medicine provided that parent is heeding the doctrine of a "recognized church or denomination." But the law is silent on what constitutes a "recognized" religion. Isaacs argued Tuesday Crank's belief in the power of prayer is rooted in "genuine" faith. Sherman's case turns on how far a duty of care for a child extends. Can a boyfriend be held liable? A baby sitter? A pastor? Bosch noted at Tuesday's hearing that only a parent or legal guardian is allowed under the law to authorize medical treatment for a child.

[chad14]

i beleive that JESUS heals but we should try the docs and see what is really wrong and dont listen to some crank

[chad14]

i beleive that JESUS heals  but we should try the docs and see what is really wrong and dont listen to some crank

[easeltine]

Admin, Dodge, Ba2,

Incurable Bone Cancer/Examples: Ewing's Cancer in this case, or Multiple Myeloma that my dad died from
Euthanasia
The Reason for Suffering/(Why God allows it)
The Hippocratic Oath
Eugenics, (especially as practiced in Nazi Germany)
The Legal Questions asked above
Religion vs. these Topics

There is some pretty interesting topics here for debate, and there are some pretty difficult questions to be answered.