BAPTISM FOR THE DEAD IS NOT WHAT CHRISTIANS DO

[cjv (cjv)]

Mormonism attempts to call itself Christian and due to countless millions or possibly billions of dollars spent on public relations -- has managed to almost mainstream itself into American culture. I say almost because Christians know what Mormons practice couldn't possibly be Christian. The secular world may view Mormonism as Christian -- but Christians view this organization as a wolf in sheep's clothing and not at all Christian.

There are many reasons for this -- one large and looming problem with LDS teachings is the fact that LDS do not believe in the same God Christians do. There is only one God that Christians worship -- Christianity is monotheistic. Mormonism is polytheistic -- they teach about many, many gods even believing that they can become gods themselves if they are good Mormons. Historical, Orthodox Christianity has always been monotheistic and always will be.

Another glaring reason is that LDS baptize for the dead by "proxy". They have occult ceremonies in LDS Temples and "stand in" so to speak -- for someone dead that they've chosen so that the dead person can go to Mormon heaven or become saved.

This all based on something totally fabricated by Mormonism because Christians do not baptize for the dead. The Bible tells us why Christians get baptized, but it is never the means or the way of salvation.

This is something that no one can do for anyone else. An acceptance IN THE HEART of Jesus Christ must take place before that person will receive the Holy Spirit or can be saved. Reading the scriptures, both how one can be saved AND why Christians get baptised are discussed when a Eunuch asks to be baptized:

Act 8:34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
Act 8:35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same Scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
Act 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
Act 8:37 And Philip said, <u>If thou believest with all thine heart,</u> thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Act 8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
Act 8:39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

This can not be done for someone, by someone or standing in for someone. This must be done by the person themself. There is no baptism by proxy that can do anything for anyone if they don&#39;t accept the Lord Jesus Christ in their HEART as also Romans 10:9-10 tells us as well:

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, <u>and shalt believe in thine heart</u> that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 <u>For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.</u>

It&#39;s really very, very clear. There is no salvation without a HEARTFELT FAITH. There is no baptism that can save anyone, no less someone who is dead because they are dead. They aren&#39;t doing much with their heart, or anything else for that matter.

If one could save someone else or get saved just by baptism, than that would be WORKS that would gain us salvation. The Bible explicitly says that it is not by works that we are saved, it is by <u>GRACE</u>.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of <u>works</u>, lest any man should boast.

Therefore, Christians never have and of course, never will baptize for the dead by proxy or otherwise as it is useless and nothing but a made-up ritual Mormonism devised that has absolutely zero Biblical basis.

The Historical Orthodox Christian Church never practiced it and won&#39;t be practicing it any time soon, of that one can be certain.

It is through the Bible that we know what we need to know as Christians. It is God&#39;s Word, it is the only truth we need and it is through the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ that one can be saved. Not, unfortunately, through Mormonism.

May the scales be removed from the eyes of those who believe in the teachings of the Mormon Church, we pray this in the name of Jesus Christ, our only Lord our only Savior, Amen.

In Christ alone I place my trust...

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[joesdad (joesdad)]

cjv: OK, except a man be born of water and the sprit in no wise can he enter the kingdom of God.

Just in plain English, what do you believe happens to those that die without having done these things?

[steelsword (steelsword)]

Joe you should read on in the context of what you just said. We are not saved by baptism, but by the blood of Christ. Born of the water in this context is Childbirth, we are all born of the water, but all are not born of the SPIRIT.
Christ was trying to exsplain this to Nicodemus.

Baptism is an outward confesion of Faith in Christ. We are baptised &#40;immersed in water &#41;
in obediance to Christ. It is me telling People
I&#39;m am a member of the body of Christ.

In Plain English: 1.Everyone is born of the water&#40;Womb&#41;. 2. Those that are are born of the Spirit
will enter the kingdom of Heaven. 3.Those that are not born of the Spirit will reside in eternal punishment &#40;Hell&#41;.

For More Ref:http://www.born-again-christian.info/born.of.water.htm

[godchild (godchild)]

Joesdad, I am very offended that you continually call me a liar. You think I am a liar. That does not make me a liar. I consider your continual personal attacks more than childish behavior. I consider you to be a meanspirited person who has insulted every person who has posted on these threads. If this is what you need to do to make yourself look bigger, you fail in the one place that is of importance. In your soul! If you don&#39;t have the courage to confront me openly with some evidence of your accusation, keep your nasty opinions to yourself, which is what I have been trying to do when dealing with you the last few days. You do not need to fear me. I can do you no harm. Your failures are called choices. Choices that you alone make. I take full responsibility for mine, you should do the same.

[cjv (cjv)]

joe -- in plain English, if they have not done what Romans 10:9-10 says before they take their last breath, taking the true Jesus -- the one and only Lord and Savior and God of us all into their hearts -- then they must stand before the Lord accountable on that great day when every knee shall bow. The rest is up to the Lord -- but most likely -- they will be eternally doomed as the book of Revelation clearly tells us.

There are some exceptions -- Many Jews for example will still be saved and other possible exceptions that are not clearly given to us in God&#39;s Word -- but for the most part -- if a person takes their last breath not knowing Jesus Christ as Lord -- they will be _amned. It is very clear, in plain English, in the book of Revelation and also in other places in the Old and New Testament. I have a study on it, I could provide you with the references if you want them. Let me know.

And joe -- Stop personally attacking godchild. Stick to the topic and stop calling anyone a liar no less godchild -- it&#39;s childish.

Only those who can not support their position resort to such childish tactics. You&#39;re not a child. You&#39;re an intelligent adult, act like one.

In Christ alone I place my trust...

[cjv (cjv)]

Sorry Steel, your answer was perfectly clear and good -- I somehow didn&#39;t see it before posting mine!

SORRY!!! MY BAD!

Great job! Keep up the great work!!!!

In Christ alone I place my trust...

[steelsword (steelsword)]

Also Joe,those that died in the old testament were covered by the OLD Covenant. No Baptism Mentioned or Observed, either in a temple or
elsewhere.